Zedyone_kenobi

Congrats buddy! Glad you are getting her broken in okay. NOthing like it. I am only at about 50 miles on mine. Just cannot seem to find the time to run her around. Plus I am fiddling with the jets and linkages on the webers. But I love the way the car feels. Cannot wait to see pics of your car.

OOOO, I am a Keith Frank believer...Are you using those Leon? If so, how are they? Just checked them out..To purchase the hypojets and the hybojet insert it will run you 150 dollars plus shipping. The 28 Hypojet insert is about the same as the 60F9 idle jet I have ordered according to Mr. Franck. I am not sure if the 'improved tunability' of the hypojets would make me want to dump 150 bucks into this setup though. granted I have spent much more than that already , but I have options. If I buy the wrong idle jets, I am out 42 bucks. But if I buy the wrong hypojet inserts, I am out 150 bucks. Well, really just 90 bucks, as I can reuse the hypojet housings. I am tempted to try, as I am a carburetor fanatic just to see the difference. Tell you what I am willing to do. I will get the 60F9 idle jet in, and I will see if it is as perfect as I think it is going to be. I will then order the KF setup and give it a try. I would be fascinated to know the difference. Here is KF weber store. I see the Emulsion Tube 02 is for 30 mm choked carbs. I wonder how it compares, but at 40 bucks a copy, that is EXPENSIVE http://www.webstore.com/82598,owner_id,other_items

I have been meaning to drive around and finally did right before a rain today. I was on vacation and the car had to sit waiting for tuning. But the change from the 55F8 to the 55F9 produced a very rich idle and brought the low rpm mixture down from from a lean 15.9 to 16.4 to around mid 15's. I went driving around and noticed aside from having to change my mixture screws up at idle, not much else changed. So I went and installed the 50F9's I had. this was a smaller fuel orifice along with the same size air orifice. Well my 4th gear cruise at 55ish miles per hour is a golden standard I am using. Leaving everything else the same... 4th gear at 55 mph; which equates to 2500 rpm with very little pedal input. 55F8 AFR 16.5 - 16.9:1 50F9 AFR 15.5 - 15.9:1 55F9 AFR 14.8 - 15.1:1 The dramatic change in AFR tells me that my main circuit may not be coming in strong yet, as my idle jet seems to be still in the drivers seat. The AFR at steady state cruise around 14.8 - 15.1:1 seem okay to me and mean I am around stoichiometric if not a tad on the lean side, but for steady state cruising, at little to no load, this could be a good economy for long trips. Now lets us talk about what happens when I give her the beans! Well the AFR plummets. How low. I have seen as low as 10.7:1. This is obviously not what I am looking for, as that is far too rich, and the blurble out of the exhaust when shifting from 1st to 2nd, seems I have some extra fuel in there not burning off. I have thought for a while that 130 mains were a bit too rich. I would like to see my AFR drop to 12:5 in WOT conditions, not in the 11's or 10's. I will keep going down jet sizes until I get the mixture where I would like it under WOT. This is the only way to tune Webers as far as I can tell. You have to invest in jets and then set up some simple and controlled tests. Write down what you find. I am happy with where I am right now on on the idle jet. I would like it be a bit richer though, as it is close to 100 deg F right now and when it gets cold, things will get a bit leaner. I like where I am with the 55F9 idle jet. However, I want to go richer. So would the right thing to do be to order the 60F9 jet, or the 55F13? I honestly do not know. You see the the 60 has a larger fuel orifice, while the F13 has a smaller air bleed orifice. Both will get more fuel into the system, but achieve it differently. Not sure which would be the right one. The easy answer is to buy both. But these get expensive, and I have not found a supplier of F13 idle jets. So I used my favorite carb supplier (http://www.carburetion.com) to get some 120 DCOE mains and a 60F9 idle jet. I am narrowing down on this tune. I will be darn close with this last order. The principle tuning method of 'suck it and see' is very very true, but I cannot even fathom how hard and how LONG this would take without a wideband O2 sensor.

Awesome job! What was that for? What series? Did you catch that 350Z

That was my old set up, but it was a completely OEM L24 with a MSA 6-2-1 Header with a 12" resonator... and a complete 2.5" exhaust pipe up to the ANSA.

Well I just ran my checkout... With the ignition module getting 12 volts, and the green wire going straight to the negative side of the coil, and the brown side grounded, I hooked up a voltmeter with the black lead to the engine ground, and the red wire to the negative side of the coil. The positive side is getting 11.99 volts, and the negative side never got above 1.9 volts. According to Mallory this is a failed ignition module, as it is incorrectly charging the coil when it is not suppose to. The instant I unhooked the green Mallory wire to the coil, the voltage across the coil on both sides was basically the battery voltage.. as it should be. So summit is going to replace it... Funny thing is the pertronix acted the same exact way. With the pertronix hooked up I was getting the same huge voltage drop across the coil, only the car would start and run just fine. I am thinking that is just an artifact of the Pertronix as it has worked for well over 2 years in this configuration. OH my coil was 1.5 Ohm as well.

I think am running a 3 kOhm coil, but I have a 1.5kOhm coil on the shelf. I spent some time doing musical dizzys when I was chasing my popping issue a while back. So I will have to verify what is in there. I have not run the basic ignition module test called out online yet. I have to verify the ignition module is not toast first. But after that I will try almost anything. The biggest issue I see around the web is not the voltage supplied to the ignition module (ie red wire), but the rather the power of the spark from the coil that tends to toast it. I found nothing in the instructions that tell me to run a XX kOhm coil. I did not check to see what Mallory's coil has across it.

This deserves an answer...

Okay, I know this is a thread about the L24 that I started, but I thought it would be great to start with one weber setting for say a OEM L24, and trace the tuning required to get the same carbs to run well on a modified L28. Which is exactly what I am trying to do now. My current settings are: 40 DCOE webers 30mm chokes 130 main jets 170 Air correctors F11 Emulsion Tube 55F8 I forget the accelerator pump sizing, but for now lets not worry about that, as I think if you get the jetting right, the accelerator pumps will be fine over a very wide range. My L28 specs are important to this thread as well. As you need to know what I am coming from and what I am going to: 2.8L N42 block N42 head .472 lift cam 10.5:1 compression Ross forged pistons OEM L28 crank OEM L28 rods 6-2-1 ceramic coated header Pertronix igniter and flamethrower coil 9 lb flywheel Standard Cannon Intake manifold When I first put the carbs on the new L28 from the L24, I did not so much as adjust anything. I wanted a straight out of the box run. Well the L28 would not even start on the original L24 settings. I had to turn the mixture screws over 3.5 complete turns out from fully seated before I got it to idle. Obviously not the best setting. :stupid: My AFR at that point was about 13:1, and I could get it to 12.5 with some tweaking. The engine idled fine and settled down to about 950 - 1000 rpm with ease. Driving at steady state speeds at low rpm in 4th gear you could feel the engine surge just a tad and the AFR's were about 15.9 - 16.5:1. This is way lean for steady state cruise. In 3rd gear the numbers would improve a tad to mid 15's, and in second it would be low 15's, high 14's. All of these values were at low rpm steady state cruise at around 2000 rpm. Giving it gas would bring the numbers back into the 12's but that is probably due to the accelerator pumps fuel input. When we got back to steady state cruise it would be VERY lean again. So this afternoon, I started the rejetting process. I got the car started and back up to normal operating temp (which in my case is about 180 Deg). I was still at about 11.9:1 AFR at idle. If I tried to lean it up a bit the engine would slow down. So the first thing I changed out was to change the 55F8 idle jet to a 55F9 idle jet. This basically means the fuel orifice was not changed, but the air orifice in the idle jet is smaller. Upon start up, the AFR was immediately 10.9:1. This makes perfect sense. Keep in mind the air corrector acts like a vacuum bleed. Going smaller means the vacuum signal will have more of an effect in pulling fuel up the idle jet. I was able to turn the mixture screws in to get the AFR back to 12.5:1. When I shut the car off, I counted the turns I was out from full lean. Keep in mind with the 55F8's I was 3.5+ turns out. Now with the 55F9's I am 1.75 turns out from full lean. Next report will be to see how much effect the idle jets has on my lean steady state low rpm cruise. When tuning webers, you must have the engine up to temp, and then only change ONE Thing at a time, and record the results. Write them down in a book or in a web forum (or in my case, both! ) I will go for a drive tomorrow, and let you guys know what the results are

Greetings fellow Texas Z owner!

Mdec Yes it is that model I hooked it up again last night Again zero spark is reaching the plug wires I tried every conceivable configuration of wiring I found here and in the instructions provided by Mallory I will begin troubleshooting the ignition module this weekend

I will test the dizzy as soon as I can with your advice I will also take a pic of the O2 sensor as soon as I can

In my defense, they were Hanes Ankle socks... so it was perfectly safe...

I have two of these, if this sells, I am going to be selling one and picking up some new parts for the Z.

you know this picture does me no good at all. I have been thinking of changing out my black interior for a red one. Ever since I saw a picture of the silver Singer 911 with red interior, that color combo just speaks to me. Not sure why. but I want it!

I attempted to install my Unilite distributer tonight, and had ZERO luck. I am not sure how it is possible to have absolutely NO luck installing something that only has 3 wires. A red one to the ballast, the brown one to a ground somewhere, and the green one to the negative on the coil. Easy peesy. But NO luck starting at all, I mean zero anything, zip. I pulled the coil to dizzy plug wire and laid it against some metal and turned the engine over, and it did not spark one time. When I turned off the key though, it laid out a huge spark... Wait, now that I type that, something just occurred to me. It would not spark from the coil as it needs the rotor to make a connection with the cap to arc. So the coil was charging up, but not sending the energy anywhere! DRAT. I should have pulled the wire to a spark plug and checked for spark. I can try again another night I suppose...

I currently have Installed: 160 Air correctors 130 Mains F11 Emulsion Tube 55F8 Idle Jets 170 air correctors I can loan I have ordered: 180 Air corrector 140 Main jets 50F9 Idle Jet 55F9 idle jet I have to go through all my spares to see what I have available.

Great read! What fun that must have been. It just proves that old cars do not have to be perfect, or flawless to be fun. They endear themselves to us. They want to run, they want to go on and please us. I love a good write up like this and plan to do something that is hopefully as enjoyable on my TEXAS 1000 rally coming in November.

I was thinking that we here at Classic Z cars are a unique bunch that are willing to share knowledge at the slight hint of a question. What I would like to propose is an online collaborative parts sharing for Weber DCOE? Anybody who has triple webers on their cars, has a bunch of spare parts, jets, linkages, rod ends, emulsion tubes, etc. We are all trying to improve the tune of our cars, and for the vast majority of us, we settle on good enough, rather than perfect because the price of jets and air correctors are prohibitively expensive to buy in bulk. 6 of anything is about 40 bucks. however, a padded envelope is not that expensive and a stamp is within all our means. What I propose is a listing of all the spare jet sets, air corrector sets, venturis, chokes, linkages, etc we may have that we would not mind loaning out to other Weber owning members. The purpose of this is to let people try out different configurations on different engines at nothing more than the cost of an envelope so they can find what works and only have to BUY parts once. This will also aid everybody out as people can report back before and after runs with their new set ups and collectively we will all see more cause and effect from a set of mains or idle jets. I am about to place a large order to get my gal dialed in, but what I will not be using I will offer to anybody else to try in their DCOE's. We can all save each other a bunch of money. I will make a list of all the parts I have available for check out. This whole thing will rely solely on the honor system. The payout is a larger data base of information on the effects of what parts do what. Since we are all running L series engines with L24, L26, or L28's we can really narrow down what is a good configuration and what is not. We may find a special setup by accident that really sings.

That is great information, I had no idea! Back to the idle mixture jet information I promised... "...In order of ascending size, the air bleed orifice diameters are F6, F13, F9, F8, F2. (F11 has the same size air bleed orifice as F8 but the axial bore is smaller)... So an F6 would have the smallest air bleed orifice, and an F2 would have the largest air bleed orifice. Meaning if you keep the fuel orifice fixed(the XX in the XXFy idle jet number) , going from F6 to F2 would make you run much leaner. Data taken from the book, "Weber Carburetors tuning tips and techniques", published by Brooklands Books, written by John Passini

Thanks buddy. I fixed the sticky transmission lever, all it needed was some lubrication on the linkage rod connecting the shift lever to the transmission. I am still running way to lean for comfort though. I need a day off work and some jets to get her dialed in. But the idle is great and the cruise is fine. I thought I heard some pinging in 3rd and 4th gear at very low rpm with the engine bogged down, but I think that is more to do with the engine being under load at low rpm while running very lean. We will see. I placed an order for some new idle jets, and I have to wait to see what they will turn up. I am still just driving around the neighborhood testing out things while I am close to home. Also they tore up all the roads leaving my neighborhood and they are a dusty, muddy mess, so you know I am not going to take the pristinely clean z on that and basically trash 2 months of work cleaning the engine with a drive down what is basically a gravel dirty road. Yes I am a bit OCD when it comes to keeping my baby clean! OH one more thing... I was able to play with the throttle a bit more and what can I say... but this. DEAR GOD the torque and that light flywheel is just addictive!!!!!!!!! IT pulls so hard in every single gear!!!

I will make a new movie with the car moving under its own power today if I can. All my other video was showing was a choppy idle, which is not really exciting. It did sound good though.

Awesome post. I have to agree the marriage of the throttle plate and mixture screw is paramount and also convoluted. Both due the same thing. I was able to find a happy idle on my L28, but I want to get the mixture screw back to the magic 1 turn out from fully seated. I am currently running 55F8 idle jets. Now it is important to know what those numbers mean. The 55 is the size of the jet, a bigger number is a larger fuel orifice. The last number is the air orifice. This lets in more air. Now this is where it gets tricky. The Fx numbers are not increasing as numbers go up. In essence, the idle jet is like a miniature Main/emulsion tube/Air corrector. You have to find out where your engine is most happy, and unfortunately, it will be an expensive task. Most expert tuners often fall back on the 'suck it and see' method. There are just too many variables in play to get it right on the first try. But having synchronizes and wide bands give you the information to give you more data with which to make decisions on. A 55F9 will run richer than a 55F8. An F8 has a larger air opening than an F9. Go figure. I have the sizes in ascending order in one of my weber books for the DCOE jets. I will post those tonight. Currently I have the first progression hole totally blocked off, and I am about 2.5 turns out from fully seated on my mixture screws. So my idle needle is doing pretty much all the work, and any movement of my throttle plates will uncover the first progression hole. If I put my mixture screws about 1 turn out , the car will not run, it dies, and I go crazy lean. According to all the literature I have read, I will need to up the idle circuit. I have ordered 50F9 to see where that gets me. I am gambling a bit on reducing the size of my fuel orifice, but I think the smaller air orifice will drive my mixture to the rich side more. I will report back and find out. Getting the idle circuit spot on is so critical as that makes the transition to the mains easier to tune. Also, remember to do all your weber tuning with the engine fully up to temp. You do not want to tune for start up. HA

I am so proud of the JPL guys right now. I work at the Johnson Space center in HOuston for NASA, and you should hear the optimism about this. NASA moral is tanked. We have no mission and our funding just keeps us busy with projects that may see a a launch by 2017 if we are lucky. Manned space flight is at NASA is really suffering. This is a wonderful achievement for mankind, and a technological tour de force to accomplish this task in an automated fashion. I hope this is on the news everywhere and kids and look bright eyed at this and want to get into the maths and sciences. We need this rover so badly for our kids imagination to grow, because the bulk of NASA is doing practically nothing. Without a mission, we are just spending money for no real reason.

how did it go Blue?