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I really love this car , super clean tan interior , I have never seen such a beautiful, original tan seats , and other pieces. To keep it stay original is difficult if the owner wants to maintain the car better . This car has been taking care of incredibly. I want to see the jack and tire stopper if they have a matching date stamp on them . 
 

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Never have understood the some cars with date stamps prior to 9/1970 are 71's.  Can someone explain it?  5/1970 is a 1970 car... it's gotta be.  Interesting how they used eBay to drum up buzz for the Bring a Trailer auction.  Violates their rules for sure and I'm sure will be taken down.  What a reference for paint markings!  Really astounding - this car.  Never seen anything like it.

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13 hours ago, inline6 said:

Never have understood the some cars with date stamps prior to 9/1970 are 71's.  Can someone explain it?  5/1970 is a 1970 car... it's gotta be.  Interesting how they used eBay to drum up buzz for the Bring a Trailer auction.  Violates their rules for sure and I'm sure will be taken down.  What a reference for paint markings!  Really astounding - this car.  Never seen anything like it.

I also thought 5/70 was very early to be registered as a 1971, @87mj reminded me that it is not that uncommon, his being a 6/70 1971.  Here is a topic about this subject,

https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/62269-just-bought-a-1970-240z-but-titled-as-a-1971/

 

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20 hours ago, inline6 said:

Never have understood the some cars with date stamps prior to 9/1970 are 71's.  Can someone explain it?  5/1970 is a 1970 car... it's gotta be.  Interesting how they used eBay to drum up buzz for the Bring a Trailer auction.  Violates their rules for sure and I'm sure will be taken down.  What a reference for paint markings!  Really astounding - this car.  Never seen anything like it.

I agree that is difficult to see a 5/70 build date titled as a '71.  Back then transportation to the dealers was easily 3 - 4 months so the registration (title) date was subject to a blend of info from the dealers, and local and state procedures.  A 5/70 car likely arrived at a dealer either in August or September, right at the cusp of most model year changes.  My 12/70 car arrived at the dealer in late March.

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44 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

 

Anyhow...I Hoovered a lunchbag of pictures for my records. 

I love you Chris!  ? I did the same lol

Early Z's.... pics sorted by VIN and other interesting ones for restoration references...27th pictures are there too!

 

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Hoover Bag:

71Gig ~ 61,000 files

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3 hours ago, jfa.series1 said:

Back then transportation to the dealers was easily 3 - 4 months so the registration (title) date was subject to a blend of info from the dealers, and local and state procedures.  

 

1 hour ago, 26th-Z said:

This car we are discussing was  an East coast delivery / import.  Baltimore  That might mean that a boatload came through the Panama Canal.  Or.  It might have been railroaded across the country.  26th was built in November and delivered to Florida the following April.

I hear ya, but something has changed then, right?  I mean, now, a new car doesn't take as long to get to the dealerships, but it could sit for months without selling.  A new car made in 5/2019 that sits on the lot and doesn't sell until yesterday, is still a 2019 model.  Period.  Was it really different back then, such that when it sold, that is the year the car became?  Doesn't make sense to me.

I snagged a bunch of pictures of the paint marks in particular.  The car I am currently restoring isn't as early a VIN, but hey, these are some great reference pics.

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3 hours ago, inline6 said:

 

I hear ya, but something has changed then, right?  I mean, now, a new car doesn't take as long to get to the dealerships, but it could sit for months without selling.  A new car made in 5/2019 that sits on the lot and doesn't sell until yesterday, is still a 2019 model.  Period.  Was it really different back then, such that when it sold, that is the year the car became?  Doesn't make sense to me.

Stuff like this is what drives the "Series 1" - "Series 2", blah blah discussions. Before 1973 EPA and safety requirements didn't dictate year model changes. Then in the USA for sure 73 and later cars were strictly driven by EPA and safety requirements. You will not see a factory 73 240z with original roundtop carbs or no 2.5 MPH front bumper followed in 74 with the 260z with additional EPA and safety changes.

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19 hours ago, 240260280 said:

I love you Chris!  ? I did the same lol

Early Z's.... pics sorted by VIN and other interesting ones for restoration references...27th pictures are there too!

 

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Hoover Bag:

71Gig ~ 61,000 files

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Wow, What a beautiful thing. Care to put your archive online?

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Maybe one day. I have a web site but never seem to find time to add content. Work and other hobbies always seem to get in the way.

http://240260280.com/

http://240260280.com/Tech/

http://240260280.com/Docs/

http://240260280.com/Tech/Carbs/Weber/DCOE Theory Operation and Tuning.html

old stuff: http://atlanticz.ca/zclub/techtips/

I put most of the good stuff on this site. e.g. first Datsun sports car sold in the USA below.

 

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First Z's arrive in USA announced in papers:

 

Jacksonville April 30 1970.JPG

 

 

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Yes, until about the late 60s it was not uncommon for import dealers to have left- overs re-titled as the next model year. I have a letter from Datsun headquarters outlining what models - at the time of the letter, if memory serves, 411, roadster, trucks - could be re-titled and how to go about it. All that changed when I became a Datsun mechanic in the spring of 1970. Now the dealers couldn't keep cars in stock or on the show room floor. Wise guy mechanics like me called the salesmen "order takers", heady times.

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11 minutes ago, zspert said:

Yes, until about the late 60s it was not uncommon for import dealers to have left- overs re-titled as the next model year. I have a letter from Datsun headquarters outlining what models - at the time of the letter, if memory serves, 411, roadster, trucks - could be re-titled and how to go about it. All that changed when I became a Datsun mechanic in the spring of 1970. Now the dealers couldn't keep cars in stock or on the show room floor. Wise guy mechanics like me called the salesmen "order takers", heady times.

Interesting...  Different than now.  Thanks for that.

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This car surely deserves a premium price.

The reason why this  car has a later seat back on the left side could be related to this car titled as a 71 , couldn’t it be ? The replacement could have done in the dealership , not done in Nissan Shatai factory.

While this car was sitting in the dealership , I would guess something happened to the driver’s seat then ordered a new seat back to the parts department . That would be an early 71 , in the factory the seat back was superseded to new , slim seat back .

Or sometime later , just swapped an original seat back with that later seat back .

 This would be the best place to sell my cars . How can I  do it from Japan ?

Kats

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31 minutes ago, kats said:

later seat back on the left side

OMG.  Does the guy that bid $55,000 know?

Crazy numbers...

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I get a chuckle that people posted on the BaT auction thread if the clock works.  As if an inoperative clock will be a deal breaker on what will easily be a six-figure auction result.

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Hey Kats!

I don't understand your comment about a later seat back.  What am I missing?  Please explain.

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6 hours ago, 26th-Z said:

Hey Kats!

I don't understand your comment about a later seat back.  What am I missing?  Please explain.

Hi Chris , I put overlay lines , the right  seat looked exactly an early one , much more width from side view . The left seat ‘s width is less than that of the right seat , it looked later  slim style from side view. 

The seat reclining dial is a easy part to distinguish , the left seat has the dial very close to the edge of the piping. On the other hand , the right seat has the dial much off set from the piping. The seat belt hook is located in the same way .

But I maybe wrong , correct me please . 

Kats

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Interesting observation, Kats. 

I wonder if this anomaly can be attributed to degrading of the underlying seat foam over nearly half a century.    That coupled with the driver's seat being primarily used  and the vinyl has possibly conformed to the foam beneath it.   Unfortunately, I can't test my hypothesis unless I can see the car firsthand and give the seats the Charmin squeeze test ?

Perhaps I'll create a GoFundMe account and have forum members enable me to place the winning bid on this gem, so I can commence with proving or disproving of my theory ?

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18 hours ago, kats said:

 This would be the best place to sell my cars . How can I  do it from Japan ?

What???? :TRUCDEOUF:

I can't un-see that post Kats-----don't tell us you are serious!

The end of time must be nearer than I thought. 

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Thanks Kats!

You are a great friend to give me such a thorough explanation.  Now I must compare all my seat frames.  I DO think the seats in the BaT car look a little gaunt.  I liked your post about extra padding in the seats and plan to rebuild my seats with extra padding.

Off topic; my 26th is still in the body shop and 27th is still in storage.  I was hoping 26th would be green by now but you know how body shops are...  I have applied for a building permit to construct a garage / shop at my house.  The arrangement for storage of the cars was silly and I finally have some money to construct my own shop.  My latest Z projects involve getting all the hardware plated and I just sent the carburetors from both 26th and 27th to Z Therapy.

This car on BaT is very pretty.  I don't like the white stripes, but the interior is fantastic by the uniform color of the butterscotch.  All the plastic appears to be in very good condition.  I wonder why the entire brake system has been replaced?  And what about the wheels?!  I understand that the stock wheels have been powder coated?  Aughh!!!

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19 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

...I DO think the seats in the BaT car look a little gaunt....

 

I would say that the 50 year old seats on my Z look to be in about the same condition as the seats on this green one...only my seats are black.  The 'sag' on the base portions is about the same. The backs are also slightly pressed in, in similar fashion.  The foam on mine is really starting to go though.  I get small crumbles on the carpet below the seat that are from the decaying foam.

I would almost push back on the seats being different.  Having re-upholstered several of these, I would say it is pretty dog gone difficult to get the rope in the same place seat after seat.  Also, not sure if the holes in the material at the factory were 'pre-drilled'.  These holes are not on the aftermarket covers so you just have to feel for it. There really is a lot of 'massaging' to do once the vinyl is over the foam.   As a result, the alignment with the rope may vary....I think.  Unfortunately my '70 is at he storage unit so no quick pics to verify here. ?

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