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    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/03/24/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-spurns-shelter-in-place-urges-return-to-work-says-grandparents-should-sacrifice/

    Sadly, this commentary comes from my own state, blatant hypocrisy from an avowed pro-lifer.  Clearly its time for the old folks to begin heading to the lime pits.  This will greatly assist the current administration's goals of eliminating Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security so that the money can be redirected to corporate and financial bailouts..

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    We still have a creepy, shuttered for many years, tuberculosis hospital here. That was respiratory illness too from what I've read.

    They built buildings you never left in the '50s. Are we about to relive histories mistakes?

     

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    The way this is playing out is still fascinating, when you consider the very wide picture.  No offense to the those who are religious but you could make a case that some people consider the COVID-19 as the second coming.  Taking the worthy to paradise.  Trump chose Easter for a reason, he says.

    Makes you wonder.

     

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    4 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    The way this is playing out is still fascinating, when you consider the very wide picture.  No offense to the those who are religious but you could make a case that some people consider the COVID-19 as the second coming.  Taking the worthy to paradise.  Trump chose Easter for a reason, he says.

    Makes you wonder.

     

    He's out on the WH lawn looking for 4 leaf clovers to feed the easter bunny. LOL

     

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    interesting I watched the Dan P interview, seems he was advocating old people be more guarded since they are at the greatest risk, while allowing younger people get back to working while they still can without resorting to a complete collapse of the economy (and the risk of them requiring critical care is very low). Guess my thought experiment is getting out there(had this idea awhile ago when the stats of who was at high risk were being reported), I did not bother to post it at the time since I figured it would be viewed thru a political red/blue lens and be attacked (as soon as it got mentioned by the news). I don't see that as this seems like a level headed group.

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    Forgive me if this is in some way chilly powder added to the current discourse - can we truly blame China for this?

    With all the best will in the world and all the containment, it would have gotten out one way or another. Infected people had no symptoms for 14 days. At the beginning of it all it would probably have been self diagnosed as a bad flu - “take some meds and carry on” would have been my mentality. Sure they tried to conceal it at first but even before that, flights would have carried the virus around the world well before any formal recognition of it. Unless it can be proven that China “manufactured” this virus (which of course is one theory) how can we blame China?

    The 2008 financial crisis was started by greedy American bankers but it became a world issue. Can we really blame America? Everyone got the greedy bug all over the world. Did the US ever formally apologise for starting it all off? Would it have been fair to ask for that, given it would have gotten off around the world by itself anyway?

    Patient zero for HIV is considered to have been in Africa. But can we blame Africa for it’s origin or spread?

    It’s just not that simple - unless of course it was biological weapons gone wrong and it can be proven.

    What I find most surprising is that beyond blame, beyond partisan politics, beyond opportunities for profiteering, beyond borders - governments / big pharma haven’t been able to come together and pool resources for the greater good of humanity. How easy has it been to have strong coalitions for wars or find funding for them at the drop of a hat? Why is it so hard for governments to come together and jointly fund the research, offer up their greatest minds, encourage big pharma to work together for the benefit of humanity? If someone finds a vaccine, can we see them offering it up to all for free (or a nominal price) for the good of mankind or would they patent it, sit in a Dr Evil style lair and hold a gun the world’s head for one Billion, Gazillion dollars?

    As harsh as this is, it’s a wake up call for humanity and our way of life that needs serious naval gazing. Wealth before health, profits before environment, accelerating extremes of wealth and poverty. How nice has the air been of late? Do we really need this ever advancing level of consumption? Is the current system so perfect that it must be saved, or does it need to evolve?

    Sorry for the rant. Feeling a little philosophical this evening after day two of home schooling. Sitting here wondering about their future and the world they are growing up in. Thankfully both students are still breathing, although “Mr AK” the teacher did a lot of deep breathing all day!! ;)

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    15 minutes ago, AK260 said:


    Forgive me if this is in some way chilly powder added to the current discourse - can we truly blame China for this?

     

    They were telling the WHO there was no person-to-person transmission into mid Jan but they were tracking this since early Dec.... The Govt in China  are evil  ****ers!!!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!!  THEIR ECONOMY IS BASED ON SLAVERY  AND GANGSTERS.

    THIS $^!# PROBABLY CAME FROM EXPERIMENTS IN A WUHAN LAB.... THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT NOR ALLOW INVESTIGATION SO IT CAN NOT BE PROVED OR DISPROVED DUE TO THEIR SECRECY AND PRACTICE OF LYING.  WE WILL FIND OUT SOONER OR LATER IF THAT IS THE SOURCE.

    FACT: THEY DID STEAL VIRUS FROM A P4 LAB IN CANADA AND SENT TO THE WUHAN P4 LAB A YEAR AGO. THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THEY ARE DOING THINGS BELOW BOARD!!! THEY ARE NOT INNOCENT AND SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED. THEY ARE EVIL!!!!

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    Another briefing coming up soon...  Pick your favorite network.

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    On 3/23/2020 at 5:24 AM, AK260 said:

    Ps. Forget the Zombie apocalyptic views of empty super markets and the hospital videos - just wait until broadband services / WiFi / 4G go down!!!!!! People will really turn at that point!

    And coffee.  Or tea.  Think of the social impact of no caffeine.

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    4 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    Another briefing coming up soon...  Pick your favorite network.

    Oops.

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    13 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

    FACT: THEY DID STEAL VIRUS FROM A P4 LAB IN CANADA AND SENT TO THE WUHAN P4 LAB A YEAR AGO. THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THEY ARE DOING THINGS BELOW BOARD!!! THEY ARE NOT INNOCENT AND SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED. THEY ARE EVIL!!!!

    In the interest of maintaining some degree of sanity, please cite the source of this assertion. I don't believe you can support it or defend it.

    Viruses mutate constantly, and they arise where they happen to mutate in a way that is meaningful. That could be in Wuhan, Chicago or Albuquerque.  The current thinking is that this particular mutation happened in animals and crossed the animal-human barrier in Wuhan. It could as easily done it in a farmer's market in Denver or Fargo. 

    Dr. Fauci noted that this virus is RNA-based, and that such viruses mutate constantly. Most of the mutations are not meaningful and do not cause reactions or problems, but this one did. 

    Let's avoid conspiracy theory nuttiness, please. 

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    The briefing is on.  Trump is quoting numbers from a piece of paper.

    Now he's bragging about how the threats are all that is needed to get companies to supply materials.  Kind of gangster.

    It's classic.  Must-watch.

    Fauci is back, peeking over Trump's shoulder.

    He's using Fauci as leverage to keep people watching, while he gives a campaign speech.  Genius!

    Larry Kudlow!  Anyone who has watched the financial channels knows what a BS'er he is.  Here comes more...

    Trump is "Trump-blocking" the doctors.  Won't let them answer medical questions.

    Over.  Nothing new.  Wait...

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    whoo hoo, on lockdown starting Thursday, gotta get my z fixed for one more cruise around the block...

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    14 minutes ago, Dave WM said:

    whoo hoo, on lockdown starting Thursday, gotta get my z fixed for one more cruise around the block...

    I don't find anything.  You mean your city?  Not the state.

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    1 hour ago, Pilgrim said:

    In the interest of maintaining some degree of sanity, please cite the source of this assertion. I don't believe you can support it or defend it.

    Viruses mutate constantly, and they arise where they happen to mutate in a way that is meaningful. That could be in Wuhan, Chicago or Albuquerque.  The current thinking is that this particular mutation happened in animals and crossed the animal-human barrier in Wuhan. It could as easily done it in a farmer's market in Denver or Fargo. 

    Dr. Fauci noted that this virus is RNA-based, and that such viruses mutate constantly. Most of the mutations are not meaningful and do not cause reactions or problems, but this one did. 

    Let's avoid conspiracy theory nuttiness, please. 

    These materials were STOLEN from Canada in March 2019 because China just wants to help the world and thought that stealing virus was a good way to do this. Time for people to stop drinking China's Kool Aid.  It is one F***ing evil country doing very bad $^!#!  Tell that to the genetically engineered HIV resistant babies. China Govt  are like the F***ing sick F**K NAZI doctors in the death camps during WWII!!!!

    July 2019   https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-ebola-drug-inventors-worked-with-chinese-firm-but-it-was-about-saving-lives-top-biologist-says

    Aug 2019   https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ebola-henipah-china-1.5232674

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

     

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/03/727957768/2-chinese-babies-with-edited-genes-may-face-higher-risk-of-premature-death

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair

     

     

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    22 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    I don't find anything.  You mean your city?  Not the state.

    orange county FL

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    2 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

    In the interest of maintaining some degree of sanity, please cite the source of this assertion. I don't believe you can support it or defend it.

    Viruses mutate constantly, and they arise where they happen to mutate in a way that is meaningful. That could be in Wuhan, Chicago or Albuquerque.  The current thinking is that this particular mutation happened in animals and crossed the animal-human barrier in Wuhan. It could as easily done it in a farmer's market in Denver or Fargo. 

    Dr. Fauci noted that this virus is RNA-based, and that such viruses mutate constantly. Most of the mutations are not meaningful and do not cause reactions or problems, but this one did. 

    Let's avoid conspiracy theory nuttiness, please. 

    This is actually pretty well know if you just look around a little bit. This doctor was escorted out of the Canadian lab and all her research assistants. There have been a number of other researchers who have been arrested for being complicit in this.

    Biowarfare research is what goes on at these level 4 labs among other things. Even at our level 4 labs! The problem comes when you play with fire but don't have a cure, treatment or vaccine and it gets out. Then bad things happen. If you wanted to create a really bad virus weapon, what would you want? Contagiuos, long incubation period while transmissible, deadly, health care intense...?

    I read a long article the other day about how you can mutate a virus by  infecting animals in series until you get the desired mutations. You end up with a much more deadly virus and no engineering markers. Patient zero in China had never been to the wet market or had contact with anyone who did. Pretty hard to catch it from someplace or someone you've never been in contact with...

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    I keep finding stuff.  This one even has some China in it.  Bible study for Trump's cabinet.  It's a scary read.  Remember Pompeo and The Rapture.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/trump-cabinet-bible-studies-coronavirus/

    The Drollinger-led Bible study meets every Wednesday morning with members of Trump’s cabinet, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, and Health Secretary Alex Azar.

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     I don't think I fear Covid19 as much as I fear those people who are buying toilet paper for a respiratory illness and how they're going to vote in November. One thing is for sure. Times like these will bring out the absolute best in some people and the absolute worst in others. It boils down to how much compassion they have in themselves. Those who have very little will also find they have very little conscience. F everyone else, I'm in it for me is the result.

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    And coffee.  Or tea.  Think of the social impact of no caffeine.

     

    Oh no, **it just got real ...

     

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    These materials were STOLEN from Canada in March 2019 because China just wants to help the world and thought that stealing virus was a good way to do this. Time for people to stop drinking China's Kool Aid.  It is one F***ing evil country doing very bad $^!#!  Tell that to the genetically engineered HIV resistant babies. China Govt  are like the F***ing sick F**K NAZI doctors in the death camps during WWII!!!!
    July 2019   https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-ebola-drug-inventors-worked-with-chinese-firm-but-it-was-about-saving-lives-top-biologist-says
    Aug 2019   https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ebola-henipah-china-1.5232674
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
     
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/03/727957768/2-chinese-babies-with-edited-genes-may-face-higher-risk-of-premature-death
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair
     
     


    Scary stuff !!

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    8 hours ago, Zed Head said:

    I keep finding stuff.  This one even has some China in it.  Bible study for Trump's cabinet.  It's a scary read.  Remember Pompeo and The Rapture.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/trump-cabinet-bible-studies-coronavirus/

    The Drollinger-led Bible study meets every Wednesday morning with members of Trump’s cabinet, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, and Health Secretary Alex Azar.

    It's fascinating how world viewpoints and political view points vary across the country. In my part of the country the view points of this pastor are not considered extreme. Not to mention the writer goes out of his way to frame the argument in language that makes it sound extreme.

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