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There are a couple of "experts" in the comment section pointing out incorrectness issues with the car and arguing over their expertness mojo.  I'm glad they are not here.  Lovely car, very well prepared.

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Looks like a guy by the nickname datsunzpartz is ranting about the hood and rear taillights being incorrect...   anyone see these issues ?

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Beautiful car. I took a quick look through the comments and I think there is more of an issue with the tone of voice being used to point out some of the incorrectness, rather than the incorrectness itself. The insinuation of questionable intent:

"i just find it to be very strange how you own over 15 Z cars and you dont know ...... Just like you didnt know .... lol. or maybe for some reason you are pretended not to know but indeed you do.. what ever it may be."

Uhhh.... OK.   :ph34r:

Something I see that I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned... That's a dash cap screwed into place, right? That bugs me.

Also, the shift knob... It's the "right" Nissan knob, but it's still wrong.  LOL 

And there was some discussion about the carb correctness... The car is said to currently sport three screw SU's and the seller says they are the correct carbs for the year. I though three screws were used in 72 only? I'm no expert, but I thought a 70 car should carry four screw SU's.

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5 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

Something I see that I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned... That's a dash cap screwed into place, right? That bugs me.

Yes, I was surprised that no one mentioned that.  Seems like a much more prominent item than the rear interior panel.  Love all the engine shots, but the spark plug wire holder that attaches to the water housing is missing. Though there are other items, those are the two that stand out to me.  Both pretty fixable. Personally, I think it is one of the nicest looking Z's that I have seen on BAT.  I am predicting an $80K sales price.

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Oh man, I didn't notice the dash cap.  Too bad the guy expressing his knowledge isn't a bit more informative on his findings.  Seems he is coming across a bit salty and the group isn't going for it.

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the guy selling it has to comment in a negative way on every 240z listed on BAT.  fact is theres lots of details wrong, he doesn't like it. tough titty really.

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I didn't notice the dash cap either!

The hood is not the early style, but is this car early enough to have sported one when new?  It is late enough to have sound tar on the rear deck.

The tail light interior cover has the service panels, actually a very desirable feature IMO.

Correct original spare tire.  AMCO floor mats.

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I agree with all the comments that this is indeed a lovely car - lots of attention to correct details and, yes... a couple of misses.  The dash cap is an important item and probably should be mentioned in the description and not left for discovery.  As to other small items: the antenna does not have the correct bullet tip, the braided hose from the valve cover to the air filter should have a spring clamp at each end, the taillight surround looks to have a shiny reflection - suggesting it may have a clear coat.  I see no issue with the mix of braided and smooth hoses.  Most braided hoses I see today are from Germany and have it clearly printed on them.

This shop is putting some very nice 240Z's back on the road and in doing so is raising the values for all of us.  Now if only I could afford more insurance! 

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That might be a bargain at 10 grand. Hard to tell how much rust is on it

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Clearly (and not surprisingly), there are people viewing both this ClassicZ thread and that BAT sale. Right after I brought it up here, they started talking about the dash cap on BAT and they're all over it now. It's an easy issue to fix. Expensive, but simple.

"there has been some discussion of this car on a prominent Z car website, Classiczcars.com"

Woot. We're prominent!!    :victorious:

So just to be clear... I don't see anywhere where the seller ever portrayed this car to be a "completely correct" example. So all the chatter from people (like me) about the things that are "wrong" is info for the next owner who wants to make it better. That car isn't done, but it's a beautiful starting point!

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I will have to walk away from the pissing contest about the dashes on this BAT thread.  Do not wish to hi-jack it and detract from the auction.  For those actually interested in the difference between the the two dashes, other than the huge price difference,  my thoughts are as follows.  

Personally, I believe the exterior plastic is exactly the same for both dashes, and both are installed the same way (vacuum forming).  Both have the exact same texture which does not match the OEM texture, but looks good.

The difference is the foam portion.   The Vintage Dash foam is molded and is a single piece.  Just Dashes removes the outer plastic skin and trims the foam where needed and then re-foams and shapes the dash.  I think the problem here is that there can be areas of the Just Dashes dash that are not replicated as well.  One of those areas is the center cluster where the three instruments are located.  You can actually see the difference in the pics below, Just Dashes dash is on orange car, Vintage on the blue.  The 'Deja Vu' Dash is from Just Dashes and was purchased, I think, before Vintage Dashes was in existence..or at least in it's infancy.   The Just Dashes 'scallops' are a bit fat and rounded, where as the Vintage Dashes 'scallops' are a bit more sleek.  I did a visual check with my '70 and feel that the Vintage Dash replicated this area much better than Just Dashes.  I did not check other areas of the dash.  Instrument fit is similar for both dashes. 

The one negative for Vintage Dashes is that they omit some of the flaps in the glove compartment area.  Not sure why that is as it would seem pretty easy to re-produce.  The flaps are not visible once the glove box is installed.

Anyway, just my opinion for those that are interested.  

Just Dashes.JPG

Vintage Dashes.JPG

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17 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

I stand by my previous post.

OUCH!...Sorry about that.  Back to minding my own business.

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Motorman7 thanks for the explainer on dashes .... between the Blue car BaT thread, another recent BaT thread where the issue was discussed at length, and now your pics and explanation here, as a Z new owner and novice, I feel like I've gotten my Zdash education 😃 

Now, about 2,500 other topics to master and I can hang with you guys!

I've got my car at Robert's shop right now (blue car seller), he is nearby from where I bought it, and am awaiting a proposal from the Z Guild for some refreshing/restoration before the car makes its way back east. Have spoken with Robert a bunch of times and seen his work (not on the blue car, that apparently was done before he got it), from what I have investigated I am in good hands with Robert and his shop.

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There seems to be a little gang of people on there who act like bullies and get aggressive if others ask questions.  Hope BAT can sort this out with some fair moderation.

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3 hours ago, motorman7 said:

OUCH!...Sorry about that.  Back to minding my own business.

That wasn't aimed at you!

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No prob.   Wasn't sure. Unfortunately, as I have gotten older, I have also become a bit more opinionated.  Not sure why that is.   Hair is graying also ☺️

 

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I too suffer/benefit from deeper opinion. Graying and thinning hair, no benefits. LOL

Edit: shampoo savings=more money for my cars.

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Where these things so often go off the rails is the debate over “correctness” - as in, that shouldn’t be that way, period. There doesn’t appear to be anything in the description that claims it’s The One True Datsun, but rather a nicely maintained and presented example. This is a used car, nearly 50 years old. If there’s no misrepresentation of what it is or isn’t, the discussion about variations and changes can be interesting and educational. But the ego-polishers charge in with their absolutes and the whole process gets hijacked.

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8 hours ago, NVZEE said:

Where these things so often go off the rails is the debate over “correctness” - as in, that shouldn’t be that way, period. There doesn’t appear to be anything in the description that claims it’s The One True Datsun, but rather a nicely maintained and presented example. This is a used car, nearly 50 years old. If there’s no misrepresentation of what it is or isn’t, the discussion about variations and changes can be interesting and educational. But the ego-polishers charge in with their absolutes and the whole process gets hijacked.

I think the debates start to get worse when the price goes up.  From what I've seen, there seems to be tipping point where a high bidding price assumes the car should be 'correct' in many aspects.  There are many great Z's out there for sale, however, when they reach this kind of price range the owner should know about these corrections.  Aside from the dash, the other changes don't seem to be that bad. 

My ultimate gripe with some of the comments on BAT are the lack of helpful information.  I'd rather see these guys state their observation and offer some advice on how to remedy the problem.  A new owner shelling out $40k+ will want real information, not a pissing contest...   That's why we should invite them here --  we can truly help them get their car to the next level.

Mike

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