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1970 Z for sale

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Alberta car

Manuf. in '69

S/N 00072, Engine L24 2192.

Missing: original carbs, transmission, original steering wheel, bumpers. Seats. Rear brackets have been modified for Jeep bumperettes.

Added: 3 piece rear spoiler, louvres, front air dam, 2nd rear hatch piston.

Everything else original including engine. I have all the original pieces, markings, etc

Metal all very good. Many extra/duplicate parts, (Quikor front swaybar and 2+2 rear swaybar). Rear glass is clear. Front dash has no cracks.

Garaged since '86. Other than front glass being attached, the car is stripped and ready for final pre-paint touch ups.56dda28b0660a_20160221_171558-Copy.thumb

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I have the door jamb plate and the dash Vin

Both Were s/n 00060 and engine # 2215

This is how I bought the car in '83

I suspect the car # 00060 was wrecked and the prev owner bought its pristine dash.

I did not know that the actual stamp on the firewall had a 00072 number

Engine compartment plate matches the #60 with  a '69 production year although I need to rummage through some boxes to find it- I am waiting for warmer weather.

When I bought it, there was no evidence that the identification plates were changed or tampered with. In any case, 060 or 072 its still a 69 year with original 69 parts as listed.

Any reasonable offer... I want to sell it no later that May. I would say not many project cars in this shape and from '69 are left out there...price accordingly. It's a gem, ready to transform into a rare diamond.

Cheers, Chris

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Do you have any of the ID plates for #72? Do you have a title for #72 or #60? If you don't have the engine room ID plate then we can't say that engine 2192 is the original.

Chuck

 

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People can call me at  416 2019564

I am not a Z purist. I bought the car cause it was a first run model and I wanted to tweak its performance a bit. I loved the styling except for the dinky bumpers. The side 240z insignia are instantly recognizable as a "70 model year. That's the ticket. I sincerely doubt that anything except the dash was replaced for the pristine 00060 vin. I assume he previous owner was just lazy and found it easier to stick those engine compartment an door jamb plates on. Still, it is what it is. And it's obviously rare.

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Only curious.  cbuczesk asked about the title VIN number but you didn't answer.  Down here in the States most DMV's (Dept.'s of Motor Vehicles) do a VIN check by looking at the dash VIN.  So if the dash VIN doesn't match the title whoever buys it will need to jump through a bunch of hoops.  If you don't have the title, still many hoops required.

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The dash vin doesn't really matter. This has been discussed for years on the mopar boards. The number stamped on the firewall is what matters. A cop, dmv, inspection station, etc. might look at the dash vin first. In PA they want either a pencil tracing of all vin locations or they will inspect the car for all vin stampings. If any vin differs from what's on the firewall then you have a problem. The title doesn't match the firewall vin then you don't own that car. If seller here has a title for #60 then he owns that car and not the one for sale here. Trying to get that into the states and titled would be a major headache if possible. But maybe he has the title for #72. In that case I'd ditch everything for #60 and sell it as-is with the #72 documentation.

Chuck

 

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Exactly.

What's the VIN number on the title?

No surprise if there's no title.  Just part of the story.

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Where are the Canadian guys? They should be all over this one.  Get it running and sell it to a collector outside canada.Take advantage of that horrible exchange rate

while you can.

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LOL. I would love this car but my own project is enough at the moment... It belongs back in Alberta!

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It looks like it would be a good start to a restoration project.  What condition are the frame rails and floor pans in?

Do you have all of the interior parts, wiring , etc?

 

 

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Holy grail of early S30z's, a 1969 manufactured S30z. Originally 920 Gold too!

Note the engine serial number stamping, I've seen that before on an early 240z.

I originally questioned the kerning as I'd never seen it before, but it appears to be unique to the first manufactured cars before it was changed in 1970 as production ramped up.

http://bringatrailer.com/2013/11/21/bat-exclusive-the-18th-earliest-surviving-datsun-240z/

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Is this all original sheet metal too or have there been panel repairs?

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If it was already in the states the title issues could be handled through a title company provided it doesn't come back stolen. Being out of the states I don't know how you would import it if there is a title discrepancy. Maybe store it north of the border (@Blue house) until the title is made good...

What kind of dollars are you looking for, give us a starting point.

Do you have a title???

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In Canada there really is no such thing as a title. All you need is a valid bill of sale with the proper SN. I would think that getting new door, dash and engine bay plates that agree with the firewall SN would be good enough for any province registration.

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I'm seeing things on the interweb that suggest that even though the documents may not be called "Titles", there are still official documents with the VIN on them in Canada, province-generated, just like the state-generated Certificates of Title that we have here.  The owner may not hold them, but the government has registration records.  So I guess the question would be "what is the VIN on the official documents?"  Is that about right?  Or which VIN do you own?

 

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As I said if you have a bill of sale that agrees with the VIN then all is good. I registered my car four years after I bought it from a seller that owned it for about two year without ever registering it and all I needed was the bill of sale from the PO, there was no government documents showing that he had ever owned it as he had never registered it. If the Vin does not get flagged as a stolen or wrecked car then there is no problem. 

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Having a bill of sale might work in Canada and some states but it doesn't work here in PA. I have to give them the PO's title to get a PA title in my name. :-(

Chuck

 

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Maybe we're in the similar words zone here.  In the states I can take a napkin and write "sold to john doe for $400 one 240Z", put a date and signature on it and that is a Bill of Sale.  Or maybe it's the same there.

I wrote up a bunch of words but it really boils down tot his question -  How would a person prove ownership of a car?  There must be government documentation somewhere.  Which of the Two VINs in question is on that official documentation?

 

 

 

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All metal except headlight cowls

Replaced: NEW- fenders, rockers, rear quarters, inner wheel wells.Floor pans and hood from a wreck. All else solid. Very nice fit/even gaps. Expertly done.

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Good info. The mismatched vin tags will be an issue for purists but not a registration issue in Canada.

Firstly, thanks to GeoJoe1 for coming to this forum for feedback and potential buyers. Even with all the controversy on the VIN, this is a car worthy of restoration. The value will take a hit for not being a true survivor with original metal etc, but when complete will still command a premium. @GeoJoe1, hopefully you are looking at a realistic value on the shell and parts. Maybe post an idea of where you are hoping to start negotiations and that should warrant you more serious interest. I am hoping this goes to a good home where it will be properly restored. Best of luck to both buyer and seller!!

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On 3/7/2016 at 9:51 AM, GeoJoe1 said:

Any reasonable offer... I want to sell it no later that May.

To get offers from long distance buyers you need more pictures, preferably close ups of the floor repair areas and the floor overall and the rockers, frame rail sides and under frame rails. Quarter panel dog legs,  wheelwells and closeups of the batery tray area.

Pictures of the parts that go with the car too. 

 

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