26th-Z

Thought I would post some pictures of various wheels used in the design of the S30. These are crops of larger pictures - sorry for the quality - but the images are interesting. The blue car is from a Matsuo design sketch. The other pictures are from various prototype mock-ups and the file is labeled to the year. Finally, a Silvia production wheel / cap. Notice the similarity to one of the prototypes?

Mike did give you a 'heads up' didn't he? Air this out elsewhere.

I want to reference this thread http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32485&highlight=Nissan+hubcaps here. Post #21 on. Does anyone have dealer brochures or early photographs of the Skyline which would show us the style in 1968? That would be interesting. Photos: 1970 Geneva Auto Show 1970 New York Auto Show 1970 Press Introductory All show the valve stem hole centered on a spoke. I also want to note that in my search of photos to post I looked at a lot of the mock-up prototypes and they all have different wheels / caps than the cap style we are discussing. Something to discuss with Matsuo san the next time I see him!

Mike, Notice that valve stem holes in the 3 of the caps are between the spokes and the other cap has the hole at the base of the spoke.

$30 framed is way too low. Someone got a deal.

I think Ron is on to something. E4600, optional in North America for snow tires. I see the E4200 wheels listed in the sports option catalogs, but I can't read them as they are in Japanese. The pictures show a wheel that looks to be a Watanabe. There are part numbers for 6J, 7J, 8J, and 10J wheels. Here are some good pictures of correct coloring. The outside face is a satin black. and the other surfaces are silver grey.

I can't believe it is bidding for so much. Makes me cry to think of what I paid for mine - including the service and cleaning. And then to think it is just a curio that will probably never get used for its intention. Do I understand correctly about the oscillator? That the timing mechanism is based on the late sixties technology of the tuning fork? Remember Bulova had a watch with a tuning fork? I have one of those. The tuning fork died and it is no longer repairable. Is this the issue with the oscillators? I always enjoy your pictures, Kats. And thanks for this link. Check out this Z432 site http://www.geocities.jp/ps30diy/genzon/page048.html

Use the bus lines to ship stuff like that. Greyhound - Trailways

I couldn't get the console off very easily, so I got the big mother flashlight and looked, Kats. It looks like the lever has been removed. I can see the pivot in the housing and it looks like the screw is in there. The cable is long gone however the hanger is on the body and the pedal has the bracket. (Don't mind the rust far up under the dash. The whole car is like this. I call it "patina") But I got some cleaner and took more pictures of the face plate. The parking light symbol is definitely not painted. Good to hear from you, Mark!

Are you a pin-up, Carl, or a poster child?

Ok, I will lift the console and report back. Right now it is very cold in Florida. It was 6 C last night and I hear it is supposed to freeze tonight. I don't think it will freeze at my house, though. I live close to the Gulf.

Ah, the mystery of old worn out cars! Some of the mask material is on the finisher, but why would it be ripped to show the slot? Strange. I promised myself that I wouldn't take 27th apart until I finish 26th so we will have to wait and see what is below the console. I plan to restore the car with a hand throttle.

Arne correctly discusses the existance of 40300-E4600, a 5-1/2"x14" steel road wheel shown as optional, however I have never seen one either. It is not listed in the Fairlady parts catalog either. That catalog shows the 4-1/2" rim applicable to the L20 versions and the 5" rim applicable to the L24 equipped models. I should also note, while we're talking about stock wheels, that the magnesium road wheel 40300-E4200 was 5-1/2" and applied to the PS30 models.

Kats, This is a picture of the finisher from 27th. It matches your picture 009 except your picture shows square knobs. In the case to 27th, the finisher has a blank plug for the defroster switch. There is no "on" lettering for either switch. Only the defroster symbol was painted white. And, of course, the patina resembling a 45 year old dancer from Ft. Wayne, Indiana is stock. The material which covers the blank slot for the hand throttle is there, although damaged.

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32410&highlight=North+American+Rally

There's something wrong with my prescription, evidently. I apologize. You guys are right. The brow is for the later years. 26th and 27th don't have brows. Boy! Did I ever just blow it! Sorry. Yea, strike my comments above about the engine numbers also, please.

Dan, Just the other way around...26th and 27th have the brow. And back to the build date thing, 27th has a door plate date of 10/69 with an engine number of L24-2162. 26th is dated 11/69 with engine number L24-2338. Your engine number is fairly high, Gab. Who said it was right in line with production? NOT! HLS30-00048 should have an engine number in the 2200s at most. But look at the engine numbers of the cars around your serial number. It's the same range.

Thanks for the pictures, Mike! The car looks like a very nice restoration. I noticed that the center air vent is not "correct". It has spacers in between the vanes. I cannot tell if the map light has a hood or not. It should have a "brow" over the lens. Check to see if the exhaust manifold is plugged for the emission hardware before you believe that this is a "Canada non-emission" car, Kats. My engine looks just like this and I went to the effort of installing a non-emission manifold. The ventilation control panel for the early cars is cast of clear (or opelescent) plastic, chromed, and then painted black. If it looks faded, it's because the paint is faded.

Anyone have any more pictures?

I haven't heard a word about this, but then, I haven't asked, either. However, if this is true, the car sold for the BIN price, then what is being said about the value of these cars is holding true. The value is steadily increasing. Here is a perfect example of argueably 14% return on investment. Maybe more, depending on how you look at it. This is also a perfect example of what kind of car is trading at these prices. If, on the other hand, the car had sold for the eBay high bid, the sale would have represented a net loss. I think it is important to keep both of these viewpoints in mind. One, represents collector market value and the other is general market value. I suppose, true value floats somewhere in between.

I took mine apart just as you guys are talking about and it was full of crud. I blame it for one rear wheel locking up under heavy braking. After soaking the valve, I blew it out with air pressure. On the nuts, try using something like PB Blaster.

The highest offer ( of five offers ) it had on eBay was $25,000 but the auction shows ending with BIN for $39,500.

I was just reading an article in which the point was being made that the S30 was primarily a chassis and styling exercise and the running gear and drive train were "off the shelf" parts. Seeing what you have posted, Alan, to my surprise, reminds me of that essay. I seriously doubt that anyone is going to dink points because the hubcap is not the absolute correctest, Johnny'O. We might snicker behind your back, but nothing public!

Engine oil coolers were available from Datsun in the sports options and competition catalog. 21300-E4100. They require a special fitting for the hoses at the oil filter. BRE also offered an oil cooler 1162050 with their own version of the fitting. You may have either one and it is worth selling, not throwing away. Although not the same benefit as in a racing application, an oil cooler is nice to have.

Kats, I don't think the B&W car would be so light if it were red. I don't think red would give that much contrast. I'm no expert in Photoshop but I tried to adjust the colors from the middle picture Mike posted. At first, I thought the car might be green because of all the red saturation however I'm satisfied that the car is red. The air filter box is indeed light blue and I noticed the screws. I don't see any hood bumpers and the cowl screws are not painted. In the last picture Mike posted, notice the undercoating in the fender well. My, my...factory undercoating... Carl, Ok, I should have looked this up. The Fairlady Z parts catalog lists 62650-E4100, front bumper, applicable to models PZ and ZL. E4101 applies to models ZS and ZSA. E4103 (less rubber holes) replaced E4101 in 5/70 and applied to models ZS, ZSA, HZS, and HZSA. E4102 replaced E4100 in 5/70 and applied to models PZ, ZL, ZA, HZ, and HZA. The bumper rubber, 62690-E4102, shows the models ZS and ZSA excluded from application. So what this means is that the stripped down versions of the S30, both domestic and exported, were not equipped with bumper rubbers, hole-less bumpers are not "Euro", and not necessarily reproductions either. Hope this helps.