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I am trying to figure out the exact stock paint "plan" for an early series 1 engine. I would like to know what pulleys are painted blue, which ones are natural or plated, what adjusting arms are painted blue, which ones are left natural or plated cadmium, what color was the air pump inlet painted or plated, Fan clutch finish, etc.

If anybody has all the details I would greatly appreciate the time spent to detail it here.

Thank you!

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I suggest you look for user 'kats' posts. He has a website which details his amazing restoration and has a lot of great photos and documentation. I'd give you the link, but I'm not at my place right now and don't have the bookmark.

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Kats' website is a great reference and he has some fascinating stuff posted. Let me see if I can be of further help. The block is, of course, blue. That paint can be purchased in spray cans from the manufacturer http://www.towerpaint.com/ or http://zzxdatsun.com/ or http://www.classicdatsun.com/ When the blocks were originally painted, they were assembled engines so original engines had a lot of overspray on parts that had other finishes. For instance, the head is normally natural aluminum but it has overspray blue next to the block. So it goes for engine mounts (black) and the heater hose fittings (cad plate) and the oil pan (black).

The front damper pulley is blue and the nut is cad plated with overspray. The adjustment arm to hold the alternator is blue. I'm not certain because mine are restored black, but I think the alternator pulley and the fan blade for the alternator are cad plate. The alternator casing is natural aluminum and be aware that the early alternators were what we call the grapefuit type. The end plate is silver zinc plate with overspray. The front timing cover is natural aluminum (with overspray). The fan clutch is natural aluminum and the metal type fan is cream white. The air pump is a mixture of blue and natural aluminum with the pulley cad plate. Bolts and fittings were all cad plate but depending on location may be painted to match the surrounding part. Point being that Nissan did not build "bling" engines as we see so commonly in show cars. They were mass assembled and painted with little regard to masking - overspray is common. Let me dig for pictures as I am going from memory at the moment.

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Great info 26th. The pictures Kats provides are good but not as detailed as you explain. I am going to order paint tomorrow. Any preference on vendor? I noticed that one vendor is about $10 cheaper per can.

Thanks, John

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The air pump is a mixture of blue and natural aluminum with the pulley cad plate.

Chris, this is probably what you meant, but the air pump pulley is painted blue engine color and fastened to cad plated pump drive wheel with cad plated fasteners, all yellow cad, I believe.

Dan

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Les at Classic datsun was the first to offer this, it should be the correct mix, the engine paint color is a left over from the time when the Japs was assembling engines for the Brits, so i wouldnt be surpriced if VB have it.

Chris

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Les has the stuff you need for series 1.

Johnny'O...... $10 savings on the engine paint? Plan on spending your life savings for a series 1 resto :)

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26th-Z said, "The adjustment arm to hold the alternator is blue."

I can confirm this. The arm and alt. on mine was replaced in 1980 during the engine rebuild. It is blue, has the part number sticker and my name and date taped to it. The new alt. has the cad plate pully and fan blades.

Bonzi Lon

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Johnny'O...... $10 savings on the engine paint? Plan on spending your life savings for a series 1 resto :)

That's why I try to save where I can. I don't have much of a life savings!

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Thanks again for all the info. My alt adjusting arm is blue. I will blast and repaint it the true blue when I order it from Les.

I think I have enough to get started. Thanks all!

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Thanks Dan. I agree. Haven't gone through a resto of a smog pump yet. The only one I have is at the bottom of 27th and I haven't looked at that poor babe in quite a while. I was going on memory when I wrote.

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OK. I'm getting a little confused. I am posting some pictures below. Let me know if you see something "odd".

I've already removed and blasted the motor mounts and am painting them satin black today.

Thanks,

John

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OK. I'm getting a little confused. I am posting some pictures below. Let me know if you see something "odd".

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John[/quote']

John, the only major thing that i see is you have an E-88 head. It should be an E-31 originally. The engine does appear to have the correct earliest oil pan, blue paint overspray on all of the places you would expect originally, and the back housing plate of the air pump should be painted black, just can tell in your picture if it is black or gray.

Dan

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Thanks Dan,

I am currently looking for an e31 head that is either ready to install or a good candidate for resurfacing. I also need an exhaust manifold and the alternator is a remanufactured Nissan one. Someone mentioned "grapefruit" alternator. Not sure what they meant by that.

The back of my air pump is a dark gray but it is not painted, that was how it looked after I blasted it.

I know that the blue on the block is not original. Can you tell from the pics if it looks "close"?

John

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Someone mentioned "grapefruit" alternator. Not sure what they meant by that.

Here is the back of an early "grapefruit" alternator on an 11/69 production car. The rounded triangle cut outs in back look like grapefruit sections.

-Mike

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Thanks Mike. That does not look like mine, but I guess I new that. Mine says remanufactured by Nissan on the red sticker.

Is that the 69 you just picked up? Needs a good cleaning, huh?

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Is that the 69 you just picked up? Needs a good cleaning' date=' huh?[/quote']

Yep, that is the one from #210. You mean the oil and grease was not the original finish?:D Yeah, the engine bay needs a good cleaning, but it has almost all the original early parts.

-Mike

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Yeah, the engine bay needs a good cleaning, but it has almost all the original early parts.

-Mike

I was pretty lucky when I found mine. It was very clean, actually, the pictures above of the engine show how it was when I pulled it. I have not cleaned it yet. Then engine bay was in great shape too. The only issue in there was an exhaust leak where the header bolts to the pipe. This "burned" the paint under the master vac. Really not an issue as I plan on stripping the bay.

Be sure to post some pics when the weather gets warm enough to blast 210.

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Thanks Dan' date='

I am currently looking for an e31 head that is either ready to install or a good candidate for resurfacing. I also need an exhaust manifold and the alternator is a remanufactured Nissan one. Someone mentioned "grapefruit" alternator. Not sure what they meant by that.

The back of my air pump is a dark gray but it is not painted, that was how it looked after I blasted it.

I know that the blue on the block is not original. Can you tell from the pics if it looks "close"?

John[/quote']

The grapefuit alternator is the earliest which only put out 45 amps. The back of the alternator housing had sections cut out in a radial pattern that resembled grapefruit sections. Do a search and I am sure you will find pics from Kats and 26th-z of this alternator.

The blue does not look that close,to me,to the factory color. The factory blue really makes a big difference and is quite noticable if you want to maintain total originality.

Are you going for 100% originality?

Dan

Edit: I guess I'm a little slow on the reply. Y'all beat me by miles.

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Here is the back of an early "grapefruit" alternator on an 11/69 production car. The rounded triangle cut outs in back look like grapefruit sections.

-Mike

Hey Mike,

Does the alternator you pictured have a part number engraved into the housing? There were actually two grapefruit alternators, one for the L20 and one for the L24 with different part numbers. I think that #210 could be a gold mine of originality info. Standby for being pestered by me.

In your picture, you show that little oil press. sending unit wiring minder which is bolted to front engine mount. Would you, or anyone, happen to have an extra one of these little minder hooks available for sale?

Sorry for the hi-jack, but I couldn't resist with such a good picture and opportunity.

I'm going to go Stand In The Corner for a while, now!

Dan

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Sorry for the hi-jack, but I couldn't resist with such a good picture and opportunity.

I'm going to go Stand In The Corner for a while, now!

Dan

You can come out now. I do it all the time, it's about time it happened to me.

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