26th-Z

I recall back in the early eighties when I took possession of Her Majesty a conversation in which my thoughts of her future value were scoffed at. Recently, we had a conversation here about currently published values in which the case was made that modified cars such as #248 would not be worth as much as an all original restoration. I thought both of these cars made a perfect example (if not on the high end of the scale) of escalating prices in the market - both restored original and restored modified. The '72 at 20K is noted as a current market adjustment price down from 24K. All very interesing and an indication of what we have been reading about for some time; that the Z car is gaining value as a collector car.

Check out these two Zs advertised in the duPont Registry. http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchResults.aspx?makeid=24&makename=Datsun&modelname=Other%20Model&modelid=99&catid=4

Carl, Would you mind naming your professional source? Obviously if this person is in the business of translation they would appreciate the reference, no? I have many things I would like translated for instance.

Ron, I thought when you mentioned the tribute scheme that you might be talking about this Interpart package. I don't know if one was available for the Z, but these cosmetic accessories would constitute a "tribute" car. In the scheme of things, I might comment that your car is far more than a tribute. More like a recreation - far more an "original". Thanks for explaining the tribute documentation from Peter Brock and the BRE trademark.

But my show favorite was this Ferrari 250 GT Lusso Berlinetta. The last picture would have been really cool if not for the dust on car. I could spend hours cleaning the dust off that photo.

Race cars included this Lola T70 MkIII. The Ferrari F1 was at the festival last year. I don't know much about it - signed by some guy. It was parked next to this stunning white Ferrari with white leather interior - just stunning. I also had my first chance to see one of the GT40 replicars. This one is a "Backdraft BDR GT". I don't care for the Ford GT remake and was very impressed with the quality of the Backdraft. This example has a Roush 5.0 liter supercharged engine.

Hey Carl, we missed you. That is Frank's 280 ZX. Roger showed up with his bevy (three now) of V8 powered Zs. This is Briggs Cunningham's 1963 Maserati Birdcage Tipo 63/64 serial #63-002. Next to it was a 1959 Ferrari Grand Prix racer restored to the Nth degree. Both cars V-12s

That's a great picture link, Mike. Thanks. Just returned from the Festival of Speed in St. Petersburg. Not as good a turnout as I have seen in the past. Carl, where were you? I thought you'd be high-fiven the field today! Some very nice cars showed up this year, though. Briggs Cunningham's Maserati Birdcage Tipo 63/64 was there. Chassis 63-002. And a '59 Ferrari 275. So...did you guys have as much fun at Amelia as I found trouble at Fest-O-Speed?

Ron, Would you please explain a "licensed tribute car"? I think the thread warrants an understanding of this. Chris

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To the best of my knowledge original stripe kits are no longer available from Nissan / Datsun. I know about the stripe kit that is on eBay at the moment. As described, I can loosly confirm that several years ago the Black Pearl stripe kit was reproduced in a group buy effort. The kit on eBay is most probably one of them.

Johnny'O took first in class last night.

You can get a 240Z dash recovered / restored for about $700, I think. I did one a couple of years ago and it was $600. Search the archives. Parts for the Z are just going to get harder to find as time goes on. It has become a point to restore the part you have rather than replace it.

Dan, I can't answer that question and IMO John's comments are a perfect illustration of what has happened to the rules. In a recent conversation, it was suggested that a non-stock item in the stock class get an automatic five point deduction. Of course, that isn't in the rules - just a suggestion. Another conversation questioned the reasoning behind allowing A/C as an "option" but didn't recognize the full compliment of Datsun options available to the various model years. On that issue rode a first-in-class win with obvious dealer ad-ons two years ago. Point being that the rules are out of date. It is my sincere hope that revisions will be presented to the board at San Antonio. Chris

Furthermore, if you have a non "as shipped from the factory" part, it will cost you points. Same goes for "options"...at the moment. Series One Zs did not have fan shrouds or splash pans. In addition, tire originality is specifically mentioned in the current rules, meaning if you don't have original tires, you get dinged. No offense, John, but the problem with the rules is that several different people are making several different interpretations. Here is exactly what they say at the moment. Vehicles exhibited must be configured exactly as shipped from factory (NOT DEALER). Cars with Dealer add-ons such, as wheels, other than stock tires, side moldings, etc. can enter this class with deductions for same. Radios, paint color, tires, etc. must be as shipped. A/C must be factory installed except 240Z which may have same A/C as installed by dealer, i.e. ARA or Frigid King, with basic York compressor. Daily Drivers can enter this class if desired. (This section will be reviewed at a future date.) That "future date" will hopefully be on the agenda in San Antonio.

I want one, please. I'll get Carl to sign it myself...along with the charge slip...

Looking at illustration 20 of the NA parts book for US and Canada (revised Dec. 1973 edition), 22100-E4601 is a single point Hitachi D612-52. However on illustration 20 B, the Hitachi D612-52 is shown as 22100-E4603 for cars up to 6/72. On illustration 20, the E4601 runs concurrently with E4603 which is shown as replacing it on 20 B. Also on illustration 20 is mention of 22100-E4601 replacing Mitsubishi distributer 22100-A5500. I can't find A5500 in the Japanese Fairlady Z parts book, nor can I find the E4601, however both the Mitsubishi type TVC-6GL and the Hitachi 606-52 are referenced. How's that? Enough to confuse you? That's only the pre 1972 listings for manual transmission L20 and L24 engines. Suffice to say without looking at my stuff to see what I have that there were two types of distributors - Mitsubishi and Hitachi and that there are two references for the Hitachi. I'm going to look for clues in my garage.

Evidently. My book is the revised December 1973 edition for the US and Canada and only lists the two versions of 80900 and 80901. But those are the numbers for black. THe other numbers are for brown, blue, red, white, and beige.

80900-E4600 for the right side door panel up to 6/72 and then N3300. 80901-E4600 for the left side door panel up to 6/72 and then N3300.

Will's judging team at Cleveland included Chris Karl, chair of the Cleveland convention and ZCCA vice president, and Cathy, a convention participant and 350Z owner as I recall. I don't remember the classes I judged at Cleveland but I would say that the scoring was very light due to the high number of cars that made it into the Gold Cup / Medallion round. Of course you recall we tried to get all the cars out in daylight only to have it start raining again. What a fiasco. Al forgot to mention that he won the most unique top award. Guys, the judges do the best they can and you gotta recognize them for spending the time to look at all the cars. It takes around thirty judges to do the ZCCA show and it is an all-day affair for most. There simply aren't thirty people who consistantly show up at the ZCCA conventions year-after-year to offer the quality of judging we might wish for. My hat is off to anyone who will take the time to act as a judge and be around to help. To that end, the ZCCA judging is focused on cleanliness in an effort to keep the playing field level. I know it gets tricky in the stock classes but that's only one group of classes out of five groups. I know all about the rain issues - I judged exteriors for the final round. It's all supposed to be fun and no one should take anything personal. For the judges, it's rather difficult - frankly. Yea, I think it is time to publish a rules revision. We'll see... Generally speaking, the way scoring deductions work, 10 points for something that appears brand new, 5 points for obviously used appearance, and 0 points for disgraceful looking junk.

"NO - someone showed up with a Dayton Coupe - prehaps the best example of the design. It is planned to be sold in the next couple of months and they expect it to sell in the $10M to $12M range." Carl, Is this the car you are talking about? It was promoted for the RM auction at Amelia. 1963 AC Cobra 289 - first Cobra entered at LeMans - did not sell at high bid of $790,000 with expectations between $1,000,000 and $1,400,000.

It appears as though you have purchased the Interpart carburetor selection from the 1973 Interpart catalog - part numbers 2102032 for the manifold and 2102033 for the linkage. The Dellorato twin-choke sidedraft carburetors were part number 1106310 for the DHLA 40 type recommended for street use. Personally, I think you got a good deal on the price.

Mike, The exact wording is; "Vehicles exhibited must be configured exactly as shipped from factory (NOT DEALER). Cars with Dealer add-ons such, as wheels, other than stock tires, side moldings, etc. can enter this class with deductions for same. Radios, paint color, tires, etc. must be as shipped. A/C must be factory installed except 240Z which may have same A/C as installed by dealer, i.e. ARA or Frigid King, with basic York compressor." I can see a case for the hand throttle. "Tires must be as shipped" is interesting.

I don't know what the big beef is. Up until now, new replacement parts have been readily available at the Nissan or eBay parts counter. Many, many parts are still available and will be for some time. Try that with your restoration of a 1925 Franklin Runabout. Come-on guys. Reproducing parts is part of the game. Usually it is far more time consuming and costly to restore or reproduce a part than it is to go to the Nissan or eBay parts counter and buy it. Will didn't post my answer: reproduction is a good thing and I have tried to practice reproduction every day for the past fourty years.

I guess I was off-comment a tad and I didn’t mean to offend anyone. There is nothing wrong with reproducing a part or refinishing a piece. That’s what restoration is all about. The guy who spends all kinds of time and money to find a correct original is just restoring his project the same as the guy who spends the same restoring or reproducing his. In certain cases, restoring an original is far more expensive than replacing it even with a reproduction. What has me concerned is the faithfulness of the reproduction and how it is used. In the case of my last comment, how it is used. You see, in twenty or thirty years when we are all sitting around in the nursing home and we have nothing better to do than compare knobs, no one is going to remember who has the actual authentic correct knob. Or worse yet, they are going to try to convince me that their knob belongs in a place it never really was.