Everything posted by kats
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1970 240Z Works Rally - the road to restoration
Thank you so much xs10shl ! I imagined how many hours were taken to see only the duct opening, thank you. This fact makes me think of that Works rally car , it needs ventilation system (I mean motorized), so they need to be opened like other public cars. Also I remember Mr. Namba ( general manager of works team) said in the magazine “ for preparation of 1971 Safari , we were making a stronger ventilation system for dry dusty conditions. Works cars were going to be equipped with filtration system - inlet air from cabin to engine. In the end, we didn’t need to do it “. How were they going to do it?? Is there any trace which we can see it today ? I am curious about it. On the other hand Z432-R, they omitted the heater box/blower motor to stay light in weight. I asked about it Ando-san who restored at least 5 road going Z432-Rs but he has never seen an original parts that attached to the brackets. Some Z432-Rs have just added a blower motor and a heater box , some Z432-R just don’t have anything around the opening. Ando-san usually makes a rectangular plate for the duct opening because customers always complain about too much cold in winter driving. It is fun to imagine, if a works Z432-R raced in winter, would mechanics have added a delete panel to prevent excessive cold air coming into cockpit ? How about two inlets each side of foot well ? Does a Z432-R have a duct and flap operated by single cable like public cars ? Sorry this is not related, not proper to ask here.I will continue to search for these. About the mounting bracket for the igniter, thank you so much for checking it. So, we see only S20 cars have them on the cowl top panel. LHD cars have only one cowl top panel(no brackets for igniter and inlet opening) for all variants including works rally car, RHD cars have three types i.e. L- series cars ( no brackets for igniter and inlet opening) , S20 Z432 ( brackets only for igniter), S20 Z432-R (brackets for igniter and inlet opening). As reading your observations, I believe the wiring harnesses are original to your car. Just great ! Thanks always, I really love this topic here. Kats PS I think this picture is your car.
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240Z restorations, what's right and what's not
We discussed this before, early 4 steps of the inspection lid. January 1970 would have #3 version of the lid which has a tab welded to the lid. Seems to me the BAT car has a #4 version which is designed in ONE PIECE with the small tab. Also a rubber cushion is attached a little bit different style from #4 version. So, if this HLS30-01606 has the #4 lid from the beginning, I will tend to think January 1970 was a very complicated month for our Z cars. And this car could be very late of January or maybe touching February . Do we think tar mats on the rear deck was applied from January 1970 ? I am curious about it. I must say this first, this BAT car is an incredible car with a lot of time and money , and passion were put in. Nice car ! Kats Kats
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240Z restorations, what's right and what's not
Hi, these pictures might be helpful for this discussion.From Motor Magazine February 1970 . We can confirm parts, colors, how they are fitted by workers in assembly lines. Although this car is a L20 model but mostly the same parts are used for a L24 models. But this white Fairlady Z-L is a bit early made to compare with the BAT car. Because of absence of the hood bumpers, and the shape of the small rubber tab of the inspection lid . This indicates this white car could be very early like made in October 1969. Kats
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240Z restorations, what's right and what's not
Hi Chris, my HLS30-02146 got this 220-24152R . So we can say at least up to 03/1970 , our cars don’t have a symbol on the far right upper and lower. We need more reports ! By the way , Japanese tail lights have the same PAT. number for an early and a later one . So if you can’t source an early one but want to install later one to an early car , you just sand the symbol and erase it. For the US , you can erase the symbol but the number 24166 remains and shows it is a later one. About the knob sits vertical and the chrome Z emblem set , I was thinking about it too. This car HLS30-01606 reminds me the data sheet of production number which I have got from Mr.Uemura and Mr.Osawa in 2003 . I mean , according to the data sheet, HLS30 and HS30 were made 543 cars in 1969 , and 1010 in January 1970. So , Total 1553 export S30 cars born before February 1970. HLS30-01606 in January 1970 could be very unusual thing. Early VIN got later date tag is sometimes happened, but the opposite is … What I am feeling about this car is, this car would not come with a vertical knob , nor chrome Z emblems . Because I am feeling this car would be very close to be February made . I can’t see a tiny hole for a retaining an early type cabin air intake. I see the hood bumper on each side is not the early one. These things are telling this car is closer to my 03/1970 240Zs rather than my 01/1970 Z432. Kats
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1970 240Z Works Rally - the road to restoration
Yes , I checked it and confirmed nothing there. Please see this picture, a passenger side (Left seat ) rear deck. Kats
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1970 240Z Works Rally - the road to restoration
I am so excited about to see this picture.After spending hours of looking at the picture I found a Z432-R doesn’t have a pair of shoulder strap mounts for the passenger side . The difference between them is a persons on board.Maybe it doesn’t a thing to be mentioned , does it? Here are the pictures which I took recently, 1969 Z432-R . I have a question. Do you see the two brackets at the duct opening for the blower motor ? I am thinking the brackets could be only for PZR. If so, how about a PZR body Works car like yours . I am curious about it. Also , a mounting bracket for an igniter, do you see it in your car ? Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
He is my favorite guitarist, I wish I could play like him . Kats
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24th October 1969 - The S30-series Z public debut.
I would like to share these pictures, sorry if I did it before in another thread. From Nissan Graph Dec 1969. I can feel the atmosphere, huge excitement all over the place especially around these new car , Fairlady Z series . I think the car which was covered by clouded people was a yellow, displayed at a ‘Owner’s Hall’ which was a bit far from Main stand of Nissan . I circled blue is a main stand of Nissan which is at Hall 2 , red is an Owner’s Hall which is at Hall 6. It is fun to imagine that every evening when the show closed , the car was taken care of wiping thousands of finger prints even got some dents and scratches ! Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Hi , I can’t stop doing this, a guitar with a Z. I finally met my dream guitar, it has a stamped JUN 1969 (my birthday is 18th June 1969) on the neck and it is a Lake Placid Blue ! The Internal electrical parts are mixed with a few 1966 and mostly 1969 which are looked to be original. The amplifier is 1968 made which is the best combination for the guitar. Made in USA guitar and amp spent 53 years in the USA. Other one is made in Japan 1970 240Z spent 51 years in the USA . Now they met each other in Japan and started to belong to a 53 year old Japanese owner. Thanks to the large luggage room, I guess designers and engineers might expect for younger generations to have full load of musical instruments on the deck . My guitar and amp fitted just like bespoke. Kats
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24th October 1969 - The S30-series Z public debut.
This is a flyer at the show. You can buy it on Yahoo auction for cheap. Seems no one knows it was a flyer of the show . Kats
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24th October 1969 - The S30-series Z public debut.
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Now let’s find out what it is, an inlet opening for the blower motor. I feel something uneasy, but I can’t tell where it comes from. I took this picture yesterday, from an unique car. Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Thanks Gavin, xs10shl, Namerow, I will think and think before starting the repair job . A good thing is I have a very bad 240Z dashboard to start with , I can do anything and no worries if I do stupid things. Here is an example which was repaired recently by Tasaka san . He is offering to teach me how to. But as Tasaka san said , he is still learning and seeking what is better and this example is just a test bed. We have to wait until we see something happens on the surface . Or hopefully don’t see any defects after passing one year, two years, and more , that will be wonderful. Kats
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Z's on BAT and other places collection
Hi Carl, I want to know how much it will be on the market if some one puts a S20 in this “something short “ 69 240Z . Now a S20 is 42000 USD for American people. Kats
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Z's on BAT and other places collection
When I had a vacation in Hawaii, I saw a blue car with white vinyl top in a wreck yard. That was almost 20 years ago. I believe many of you remember this 240ZG , this car is my favorite, super rare example. Maybe the original owner was a rich man, ZG with a factory A/C , Automatic transmission, and the vinyl top. The total payment was absolutely more than the price of Z432. Kats
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Z's on BAT and other places collection
Hi Chris, I checked my collection. Fairlady Z parts catalogs never listed the vinyl top. But there was a letter for all the dealerships nationwide which indicates the vinyl top . You can see the date was January 21st 1970 . Datsun 240Z sports for US & CANADA , March 1970 parts catalog introduced the vinyl top that was for the first time shown in the parts catalog. Personally, I like it. But maybe for the second or third car , not for my best beloved car. Kats
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Datsun Laurel.. 2 seater??????????
Thanks calling me but , I have no idea what this car is . Looks like a hand crafted Silvia inspired two seater . Kats
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Z's on BAT and other places collection
Hi Carl , I love the story. In that case , did the dealership give some discount for the customer to compensate for displaying in a showroom? I am just curious about it. Now my question is, Nissan did numerous changes for S30 series not on late 1970 but early 1971. Seems it doesn’t relate to American ‘model year’ system . Was the change of S30 series considered normal for Nissan including other Nissan cars, or only for S30 series? I mean our S30 series cars , Nissan changed things when they thought they needed. Mr.Uemura wrote about the test report in US and Canada late 1969 . The test crew listed many things to be improved. I think the changes in early 1971 were originated by the test crew , and voice of customers all over the world , and by test groups in Nissan Japan. One of the issue which was not seemed easy for engineers was the vibration from the rear floor . I believe Nissan might want to fix it sooner and knew how to fix well before mid 1970 but the changes of propeller shaft and differential mounting , also had to make a new bracket (brackets for Z432) for the exhaust system under the floor would have needed more time . Or it could have taken more time to prove ‘no-problem’ of recessed the diff 35mm back still safe when the tail hit and the gas tank pushed forward. The new drive train was not available until late 1971 though. Here is a picture provided from Mr.Miyazaki , he was an engineer and a test crew in Japan . A lot of interesting stories he has , I am keeping in touch with him and listening as much as I can . Kats
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Bonnet top center alignment
Thanks Alan, I have learned new today . My FRP bonnet is shorter width, I am happy with it now . I am going to paint it with mat light grey just like the tail light exterior panels and G-nose . I think it will match nicely with 901 silver . I want to express my feelings about my Z432 which is oriented from my respect to Z432-R ,as well as to my original Z432 to be luxurious GT .Not going to paint black with orange . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Hi Bart , yes justdashes is my top list . I have heard recently price $2000 , need to wait a half year . Plus shipping from Japan returning from California will surely be painful. Someone wants a PZR look dash , send it to them and ask them not to cut out the side vents and the clock , glove box key cylinder. I want to have it fixed by my hand , it will be fun and yes a lot of money saving . And I want to remain its details as much as possible , every old originals are one and only! Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Nice bag Ian , 80’s feelings ! Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
IMG_6800.MOV I can’t see any markings nor signs which indicate PZR under/inside the dashboard. No drawing on the bracket of the steering post. Probably, PZR was only few at the assembly line , so no need to distinguish from other cars ? Takeuchi san took of the glove box , and put it on the new dashboard. I checked it but I can’t find any white chalk markings. I have been sourcing sports option parts for my Z432. Pistons and other engine parts as well as tachometer, seats , steering wheel , etc. Some of them were hand crafted to replicate using a genuine parts as a donor. Put the parts for track , remove them for daily use . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
I can see ‘ 45 1 16 ‘ in the stamp which is shown back of between the speed meter and the tachometer. It is 16th January 1970 . Takeuchi san’s Z432-R would have left the factory around March or April 1970 . Wiring harnesses have February and March stamp . So my two US 240Z (HLS30-02146/02156) were almost brothers ! Or Takeuchi san’s car would have left a lot later because of special limited production, might be taken care of a lot more than regular production cars . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Here is a very interesting dashboard, an original one which has been taken off from a Z432-R . Takeuchi san got new one from local Nissan decades ago ( Nissan had PZR dashboards in their parts center until early year 2000 ) . Takeuchi san said he doesn’t need it , so I have got it .I will repair the two cracks . Or remain as it is for historical exhibitions? Maybe I want to have it clean. Because I will put some Z432-R parts into my Z432 just for fun . I am not aiming ‘wannabe’ car . I would like to have an ultimate both worlds . Luxury GT and Sunday racing . I respect Z432-R , and my Z432 too . Maybe this is for the first time to show the details for everyone here , please enjoy. Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Thanks Gavin, HS30 blue on blue is very rare as your observation. How about other color combinations? Green with Tan , white with red , etc . Buy the way , my understanding is up to August 1973 , lime yellow, green metallic and brown metallic are only for export market . Is this applicable for HS30 territory? Grand Prix Maroon is only for Fairlady Z series. Oh , Universal blue ‘903’ was not available for Fairlady Z series . Kats