31K Miles Series I 240Z Up for Auction on BaT - Over $100k on First Day!

[HS30-H]

1 hour ago, 26th-Z said:

Your question is posted, PZR.  Looks like Lstepp4re is having a "non-constructive" moment.

Yes. That was quick!

Well spotted on the carb front Captain Obvious. Let's see what the seller says.

The more you look at the car, the more you see. Which would be fine - most of these cars have 'had a life' and we all have to be pragmatic with this and that - but it clashes with being talked-up as a "250k+++" car.

From what I've seen, very few BaT posts by 'Lstepp4re' seem to be all that constructive. He got it wrong - again - about side stripe kits (he said "aftermarket only") and nobody picked up on it. How is he credited as being any kind of guru?

[Zed Head]

[240260280]

Brake Booster and master cylinder were also replaced.

 

[Captain Obvious]

1 hour ago, HS30-H said:

Well spotted on the carb front Captain Obvious. Let's see what the seller says.

The more you look at the car, the more you see. Which would be fine - most of these cars have 'had a life' and we all have to be pragmatic with this and that - but it clashes with being talked-up as a "250k+++" car.

I saw your note, and thank you for asking for a friend. I guess what we'll see how that is explained. I'm expecting something like... "Thanks for bringing that to our attention. We went back through our records, and saw that many years ago we removed the carbs and sent them out to have them rebuilt by a professional, and those are the carbs he sent back. They are completely compatible with the originals and we simply never noticed the discrepancy."

I'm expecting something like that and if that's the case, the originals are probably long gone. One could substitute a different set of four screw round tops in their place, but they would not be the originals. So I'm expecting Innocent oversight and maybe even come with the offer to include a pair of "like originals" with the car.

I'm fine with any of the cars having had a life too. In fact, I think that's part of the story and can add or subtract value. What bothers me, however, is when it appears that someone is not getting what they think they are getting (and paying for). If the price tag is sized for a beacon of originality and unmolested quality, then the merchandise should reflect that value.

[Captain Obvious]

1 hour ago, 240260280 said:

Brake Booster and master cylinder were also replaced.

Yes, but the difference is they called that out in the auction details. I get that. They're maintenance/wear items and fail over time.  IMHO it would have been better to maintain the originality and rebuild the originals and reinstall, but they replaced instead.

What IS a big deal to me, however, is not bothering to at least spray on a quick coat of semi-gloss black on that booster before they bolted it in. On a car that's being marketed at the level this one is? Naked uncoated brake booster...

[CanTechZ]

Also no mention of work done to the mustache bar, it looks to like it has the newer style bushings without the flanged ends. Also the washers are the newer type. Normally wouldn't need servicing at 31K miles, IMHO.

Regarding @240260280's mention of the oil pressure sensor, the wiring retainer is also missing. The one that picks up an engine mount bolt.

[7tooZ]

'Lstepp4re' seem to be all that constructive. He got it wrong - again - about side stripe kits (he said "aftermarket only")

Is Lstepp4re a member of this group? Do any of you know Lstepp4re or their history?Big time collector? Or a flipper?

[240260280]

1 hour ago, Captain Obvious said:

Yes, but the difference is they called that out in the auction details. I get that. They're maintenance/wear items and fail over time.  IMHO it would have been better to maintain the originality and rebuild the originals and reinstall, but they replaced instead.

What IS a big deal to me, however, is not bothering to at least spray on a quick coat of semi-gloss black on that booster before they bolted it in. On a car that's being marketed at the level this one is? Naked uncoated brake booster...

It is more of: 30k and all these things had to be replaced?

[240260280]

29 minutes ago, 7tooZ said:

'Lstepp4re' seem to be all that constructive. He got it wrong - again - about side stripe kits (he said "aftermarket only")

Is Lstepp4re a member of this group? Do any of you know Lstepp4re or their history?Big time collector? Or a flipper?

[Zed Head]

The video works now.  Wob spends 8+ minutes looking for overspray.

I'm just fascinated by the thought of bidding 100's of thousands of dollars for something based on pictures and the internet reputation of somebody called Wob.

And there's a new guy, Rodeo, who doesn't get that comments are veiled and innuendo used by the "peanut gallery" because the straightforward ones get flagged as non-constructive.  Good entertainment.  People with extra money arguing about the quality of an old car.  Greggers13 is probably getting nervous.

 

[Zed Head]

Does anybody know who Wob is, more than just meeting him at a show?  Is he basically just a car salesman?  He's spending a lot of time dispelling and squashing.  He should just say "nobody knows what happened to this car before 1981".

And this guy seems to be adding museums to the owners list.  There was only one, and it's really just one guy buying cars.  Didn't even read the BAT listing, apparently.  The discussion is as interesting as the car...

Edited October 16, 2020 by Zed Head

[Zed Head]

A new picture nit-picker.  Don't know if he's on to something or not.

 

[240260280]

Why would someone replace lines and not re-use the original fasteners?  Worm drive clamps drive me crazy.

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by 240260280

[Zed Head]

Wob outed vance911 as the stepson of lstepp4re then threw shade at them both!  Not very nice.  Odd also how many "value" defenders" are out there.  

Wob is out there right now though if anyone has a thought to send him...  Like does day 1 mean 1971 day 1 or 2002 day 1?  Still, pre-2002, actually, nobody knows what happened to that car, I think.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Zed Head

[Zed Head]

Wob is reading the comments and addressing issues, squashing and dispelling, but he hasn't addressed the carburetor comment, which was seconded by someone else too.

Not a good look for FIVA either, if they missed it.

p.s. if I'm overposting in this thread feel free to say so, either directly or via message.  I'm enthralled though, I want to see what happens next.  Will Wob succeed in making the sale and breaking the quarter million dollar goal?  Or will the plan be foiled by the eagle eyes and vast knowledge of the "peanut gallery"?

[siteunseen]

"asking for a friend" 

pas·sive-ag·gres·sive

 

adjective

 

1. of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.

 

[Zed Head]

42 minutes ago, siteunseen said:

"asking for a friend" 

That was 26th or HS30 asking for Captain Obvious.    If you ask the BAT guys a direct question or look them in the eye they get nervous and shout "Non-constructive!", and your comment is blocked.  Edit - plus CO doesn't have a BAT account, I assume.  So, it really was asking for a friend.

Edit 2 - or PZR just asked coincidentally, or was asked to ask.  Who knows.  The BAT crowd is a little cliquey.

And Wob has still avoided the carb question.  Plus he ignored the former Datsun dealer Spyder-man.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Zed Head

[siteunseen]

Thank you. I had know idea as I read from the bottom up.

[Zed Head]

2 minutes ago, siteunseen said:

Thank you. I had know idea as I read from the bottom up.

The BAT discussions are weird to read.  People pop in just to say "wow" or offer obscure comments.  The non-constructive ones are probably the most interesting.  They should make those optional for viewing.

[siteunseen]

Optional? They should all be shared. I'm not liking BAT so much now.

Hiding the truth, comments from people that know. 

The price hasn't risen from what I can tell since the knowledgeable folks started picking this car apart.

Has anybody linked this thread in BATs comments? How long would that stay up? Not too long.

Edited October 16, 2020 by siteunseen

[26th-Z]

Well!  For all your consideration of how the Wob was going to account for the carburetors, what you didn't consider is no answer at all.  Of course this speaks volumes but we are watching a sham anyway.  We all know it.  I find this all very entertaining.  The testimonials are vomitoriously delicious.

[Zed Head]

Replying to siteunseen's post -

I think that people might be able to hide their comments from public view also.  Several that I just read have disappeared from view.  Oh well.  BAT is actually more of a collector's club now, not really the "bring a trailer" auction site it started as.  

IdahoZ replied to Rodeo but only Rodeo can see it because he's registered.  It's a secret club now.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Zed Head

[Zed Head]

Carbs.  Unresolved.

[siteunseen]

29 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

Replying to siteunseen's post -

I think that people might be able to hide their comments from public view also.  Several that I just read have disappeared from view.  Oh well.  BAT is actually more of a collector's club now, not really the "bring a trailer" auction site it started as.  

IdahoZ replied to Rodeo but only Rodeo can see it because he's registered.  It's a secret club now.

It's owned by and run by the Illuminati. 

[Zed Head]