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Refurbished 1970 240Z Sells for $77,240 on BaT

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#4095 but clean and pretty. Will be interesting to see the results on the other one

true mileage unknown believed to be 103k

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5 hours ago, Patcon said:

#4095 but clean and pretty. Will be interesting to see the results on the other one

true mileage unknown believed to be 103k

Frankly Charles, I was very surprised to see the car go for over $77k. I thought that it would probably go in the high 50's at the most. The final selling price confirms how a complete quality mechanical & cosmetic refurbishment on a California 1970 240Z can go for nowadays.   

As far as the '70 Sunshine Yellow 240Z is concerned, it is a very solid car and is very close to original condition. However, the body of the car has a lot of dings in its original paint. The eventual winner may just restore the car rather than trying to repair all of the dings and other imperfections in the paint  as well as redo the interior.  One thing's for sure, is that the car would make a great candidate for a complete restoration.  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-51/

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I was a little surprised it went for $77k.  If you look close, it appears as if the wheel arches are not straight.  As if they are finished with bondo. The rocker seams are missing along with the rear valance seams.  On the closeup shots, the paint job looked a little rough too.  To top it off, the description says the seller hasn't driven the car since it has been restored.  Does that mean it doesn't run or it has some electrical issues that haven't been worked out yet?   It seems like a project at 60% complete.

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1 hour ago, 87mj said:

I was a little surprised it went for $77k.  If you look close, it appears as if the wheel arches are not straight.  As if they are finished with bondo. The rocker seams are missing along with the rear valance seams.  On the closeup shots, the paint job looked a little rough too.  To top it off, the description says the seller hasn't driven the car since it has been restored.  Does that mean it doesn't run or it has some electrical issues that haven't been worked out yet?   It seems like a project at 60% complete.

Good catch on the wheel arches and the missing seams!  I took a second look at the BaT listing and there were no driving videos, only a single video of the engine running.  Amazing how someone can drop over $77k on a car and not see it in person or at the very least have the ability to watch a driving video. Caveat Emptor!  

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6 hours ago, lonetreesteve said:

Good catch on the wheel arches and the missing seams!  I took a second look at the BaT listing and there were no driving videos, only a single video of the engine running.  Amazing how someone can drop over $77k on a car and not see it in person or at the very least have the ability to watch a driving video. Caveat Emptor!  

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I've seen the missing seems to.. but what about that extra handle on the driverside door?  is that a feature of the early 240z or? my feb '71 does not have it..

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Something is going seriously wrong here..

I loaded a pic of the left extra handle.. and it did'nt work well.. my question.. did an early 240z have that one also on the left driverside door?

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1 hour ago, dutchzcarguy said:

Something is going seriously wrong here..

I loaded a pic of the left extra handle.. and it did'nt work well.. my question.. did an early 240z have that one also on the left driverside door?

Good eye!  No,  all 240Zs only came with the handle on the passenger side. 

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23 hours ago, lonetreesteve said:

Good catch on the wheel arches and the missing seams!  I took a second look at the BaT listing and there were no driving videos, only a single video of the engine running.  Amazing how someone can drop over $77k on a car and not see it in person or at the very least have the ability to watch a driving video. Caveat Emptor!  

I have wondered for a long time if these sales all close or do some fall through? Is there an out for the buyer?
anyone have any knowledge about that?

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I just saw "The Guild"s Facebook page saying that the Franklin Mint Car sold again.

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2 hours ago, 26th-Z said:

I just saw "The Guild"s Facebook page saying that the Franklin Mint Car sold again.

Yes, I just read about the sale on Instagram well. I also remember seeing on IG that the car has been at the 240ZGuild for a few months getting some work done to it (mostly the underside) and was displayed in their showroom. 

 

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6 hours ago, 7tooZ said:

I have wondered for a long time if these sales all close or do some fall through? Is there an out for the buyer?
anyone have any knowledge about that?

Well the buyer can back out but he will loose his privilege of bidding on BaT for future auctions and will probably still be charged the 5% commission he owes BaT.  After that deal is dead BaT will reach out to the second bidder to see if he is still interested.

 

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Interestingly, the story I heard was that the Franklin Mint Z was offered to a collector I know for $65K some time before it was put on BAT.  He passed, and it was bought at that time by another collector (Larry Steppe -Lsteppe on BAT).  That collector has some sort of collaboration with the indicted felon who is The 240Z Guild on BAT, which may have started when Lsteppe bought an auctioned car from The 240Z Guild (before he called himself that) on BAT.

Now, back to the Franklin Mint Car, as mentioned Larry bought the car when it was offered for sale privately, and then appears to have had The 240Z Guild put it on BAT, where he bought it from himself for “the highest price paid for a 240Z” at the time.  

If you read the comments on pretty much any 240Z auction, you’ll see Larry and The 240Z Guild trying to influence prices all the time.  I’m guessing if the Franklin Mint car is still at The 240Z Guild in OK, it’s  just because Larry hasn’t moved it back to Atlanta.  The 240Z Guild has several of Larry’s cars on display in their “showroom” (which is the above pic).  Maybe Larry sold it to someone else, using his purchase from himself price to make a large profit on the car.

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7 hours ago, DougN said:

Interestingly, the story I heard was that the Franklin Mint Z was offered to a collector I know for $65K some time before it was put on BAT.  He passed, and it was bought at that time by another collector (Larry Steppe -Lsteppe on BAT).  That collector has some sort of collaboration with the indicted felon who is The 240Z Guild on BAT, which may have started when Lsteppe bought an auctioned car from The 240Z Guild (before he called himself that) on BAT.

Mr Robert Jackson / 'The 240Z Guild' has a reputation:

https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=229228

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On 7/8/2020 at 5:53 AM, dutchzcarguy said:

Something is going seriously wrong here..

I loaded a pic of the left extra handle.. and it did'nt work well.. my question.. did an early 240z have that one also on the left driverside door?

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I've never  seen a 240Z with the "passenger handle" on the driver's side before on a 240Z until this Dutchzcarguy pointed it out on the subject car and now on Siteunseen's Z.  Maybe it was by design that Nissan made both the right-hand drive and left-hand drive doors to accommodate a passenger handle for either side depending on which side of the car was the passenger side?  Obviously, the subject car and Siteunseen's car had the handles installed sometime after the cars were new or perhaps a handle was installed by the dealer when new as a "dealer option".  Very interesting - I guess you learn something new everyday when it comes to Z-Cars.  

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That's Dutchzcarguy's photo of the thread subject car I posted. My '72 does not have one. Sorry for any confusion.

His post got fouled up somehow.

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28 minutes ago, lonetreesteve said:

Maybe it was by design that Nissan made both the right-hand drive and left-hand drive doors to accommodate a passenger handle for either side depending on which side of the car was the passenger side? 

There's no 'maybe' necessary here. They did. Notwithstanding all the "Made For The USA" propaganda, evidence is all over these cars that they were conceived, designed and engineered as a series of models, accommodating several different markets and both LHD and RHD configurations. 

And a very good job they made of it too...

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A few years ago some NOS door cards were found, but they were either US or Japanese passenger specs, meaning that they have the door handle pull on them.  Guessing the driver sides wear out more frequently, so these were the left overs from US or Japanese spec full sets.  Guessing this car has a drivers side door card from that group, which would explain the door handle.

I still have one of these in the parts stash, but haven’t put it on.

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Yeah, I bought a set of OEM door cards sometime back that had the holes for the pull handle on the driver side. All doors have the receiver threads for the bolts that hold the pull handle on (at least my early 71 did). I just attached a new pull handle and was done. It’s a nice addition and I always wondered why the set was cut for the driver side handle. Anyone know the answer? @Carl Beck   BTW....nice job in picking that out Site.....very observant!.

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9 hours ago, Diseazd said:

BTW....nice job in picking that out Site.....very observant!.

:tapemouth:   ?   Hihihi..  L.O.L. !!!

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9 hours ago, Diseazd said:

I just attached a new pull handle and was done. It’s a nice addition and I always wondered why the set was cut for the driver side handle. Anyone know the answer? @Carl Beck 

LOL. Top trolling.

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2 hours ago, dutchzcarguy said:

:tapemouth:   ?   Hihihi..  L.O.L. !!!

Sorry dutchzcarguy.....you are “the man” Site is “the boy”! LOL  Same for you Alan....makes sense.....my door card was meant for a “right hand drive” Z.  What I get for not reading the whole thread. I stand corrected!

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16 hours ago, Diseazd said:

Yeah, I bought a set of OEM door cards sometime back that had the holes for the pull handle on the driver side. All doors have the receiver threads for the bolts that hold the pull handle on (at least my early 71 did). I just attached a new pull handle and was done. It’s a nice addition and I always wondered why the set was cut for the driver side handle. Anyone know the answer? @Carl Beck   BTW....nice job in picking that out Site.....very observant!.

 

There are a couple elements that need to be distinctly identified. a) the compressed fiber door panel  and b) the vinyl covering. I take it that you are talking about the holes in vinyl covering - Y/N?

The difference between the later left side door panel - on the Left Hand or Right Hand Drive models - was the pre-cut holes in the vinyl. (see picture below).

As far as I can remember - the original early fiber door panels for the Left Hand Drive Z’s did not have the holes in the fiber door panel backing necessary to mount the Passenger Assist Straps on the Drivers Door.  That was changed some time later. Will see if I can find or get some pictures.

My guess related to why the Passenger Assist Strap is on the subject $77K example - The Seller said it was a 10 year project - he most likely ordered the correct part number for the Left Hand Drive model, but received a replacement meant for use on a Right Hand Drive model. On these the black vinyl had holes pre-cut for the Pass.Asst.Strap - and the only way to cover it was to install the Strap.   This happened to several of us back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

When i received the wrong panels - I notified Courtesy Nissan and they replaced them for me with the correct parts. 

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