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    Just to keep you abreast of this side of the pond: two of my dental surgeon friends have been drafted for duty on the front line. I did ask what will they do with COVID patients’ teeth and they said they are going through a fast track cross training and their anaesthesia skills are required.

    Teeth are not being worked on and in the case of emergency tooth issue it is unclear what you can do and when you can be seen. But it will probably be at 2:30 - sorry, couldn’t resist a quick dad joke there!

    But it is a little worrying how seriously this thing is spreading. A part of an exhibition centre where they typically have Yachts on display (The Excel Centre) is being turned into an emergency hospital to cope with the expected volumes!! 100 beds by Sunday, ramping up 4000.

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    Stay safe people and respect any guidelines on social distancing and isolation.

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    Another press briefing is coming up very soon.  Lots of disagreement from the Governors.  Will be informative to see how he handles it.

    I assume that $2T bill will be signed.  Much to talk about there.  Hope he gets to it.

    No change.  He's the same guy.  Petty.  His first few comments included something about a Governor raising his voice in a meeting today.  Apparently it was Jay Inslee, who he called a "snake" a few days ago.  He just can't get past "me".

    Trump has to get his campaign speech in before he lets the experts speak.  Sad.  Sleepy Joe, etc.

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    Sorry to see you go AV8.  Nobody has to expose their beliefs on the internet though.  That is personal choice.  It might not be clear, but I, persoanlly, haven't picked a political side.  I spend my time pointing out the failings of the person in the top office.  Not because of his party, of which he actually does not belong. but because of who he is and how he is failing.  That's not political.

    That, from what I have seen and experienced, is the main problem with politics in any discussion.  People think that they have to defend everything that their "side" supposedly stands for.  They don't.  A person can choose parts of a platform, or all of it, or create their own concerns and see how a party addresses those.

    A word that is often used today is "tribalism".  Individuals choose their group over their own thoughts.  They look to the leader of the tribe for guidance.  That's not how politics is supposed to work, in a democracy.  Each individual is supposed to develop their own thoughts and vote accordingly.  The "party" is just a concept that  doesn't really work well.  People have had concerns about the two party system for many years, because it is inherently divisive.

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    1 hour ago, Av8ferg said:

    I’ve decided to back out of this thread. I can’t stand the politicization of everything in my Iife...it was one of the reasons I loved this forum.. Society has managed to shove a hot political fork in every walk of my life and I quite frankly find it depressing. Political bickering just makes me unhappy. It’s divided the country in a bad way, divided friendships, communities and neighbors. People do unspeakable acts to others because someone wears a MAGA hat or someone else has a rainbow sticker on their car. It’s not want civilized, loving, and good people do. I don’t like to play in those waters. I don’t care who you love, what you believe, who your God is or who you choose to support politically. I chose to judge people by their individual character, morals and how they live their lives and this is what I teach my kids. We have one part of the political spectrum that demands “Tolerance” from others but they have no tolerance for people who don’t think like them. Any speech is okay as long as it agrees with “their” world view. We fail to recognize that most people are more alike than different. We are too busy focusing on how we differ. When we don’t agree we choose the label people to socially isolate them from society and discredit them many times unjustly with terms like Racist, homophobe or any laundry list of names.
    Once I realized that I have little influence on what happens in Washington and that I should spend my life force focusing on my family, friends, faith and the things that make me happy, my life is more fulfilling. I can’t watch the bobble heads on any news organization, they all have agendas and I don’t want to be told what to think. I can make my own opinions with out Don Lemon or Sean Hannity telling me what to think. Enjoy the political football.
    If you can’t laugh at this video then maybe you are taking things too serious.

     

     

     

     

     


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    Perfect!  Couldn’t have said it any better!

    For the past 18 years this site has provided me a sanctuary into which I could retreat

    when ghosts from Viet Nam, or loss of wife, or loss of parents intrude into my life’s

    thoughts.  These experiences are certainly not unique to me, but I always knew I could 

    come here, or to my ongoing Z restoration project, to chase those ghosts temporarily away.

    I will forever be appreciative of the depth of knowledge of a select few here who have

    contributed to my restoration project.

    If I want anxiety or  contoversity, I will just turn on CNN or FOX.

     

     

     

     

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    Here's a suggestion - anyone who posts in this thread, please make sure that nothing inflammatory shows up on the main page, in the first few sentences.  Many of us feel compelled to open a thread based on what we see on the main page.  So, add a bunch of empty lines to drop your comments below grade.

    I'm serious.  I don't want to cause anyone distress, but this is the best place for me, personally,. to talk about these things.  Maybe Mike could add a second sign-up procedure?  I don't know.  But, in the interest of freedom of thought and expression, I don't think that the thread should be shut down because just 2 or 3 people are bothered.  That's a bit ironic, I think, but that seems to be what's happening here.  Out of sight, out of mind.

    Good luck.  Let people talk.  If you can't convince people to change their minds then move on to other discussions.

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    25 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    Here's a suggestion - anyone who posts in this thread, please make sure that nothing inflammatory shows up on the main page, in the first few sentences.  Many of us feel compelled to open a thread based on what we see on the main page.  So, add a bunch of empty lines to drop your comments below grade.

    I'm serious.  I don't want to cause anyone distress, but this is the best place for me, personally,. to talk about these things.  Maybe Mike could add a second sign-up procedure?  I don't know.  But, in the interest of freedom of thought and expression, I don't think that the thread should be shut down because just 2 or 3 people are bothered.  That's a bit ironic, I think, but that seems to be what's happening here.  Out of sight, out of mind.

    Good luck.  Let people talk.  If you can't convince people to change their minds then move on to other discussions.

    I don't know, or actually even care, who you believe to be trying to shut down your thread, for the record this is not my intent. I just want to remind all to be respectful and respect the code of conduct that we all have agreed to when we signed up for this forum.

    Stay safe

    Mike

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    You have a valid point.  I've already edited the one post of mine that was "too much" so to speak, but that was 5 minutes after I posted it. And, as someone has already pointed out, this is no different than the Boobs thread.  Nobody has to read the posts or reply.  

    We're all adults.  The politics have already been played out anyway, they're very clear.  The use of the "Guidelines" seems a little disingenuous.  I don't think that AV8, or anyone, needs protection.

    Good luck.  Let's get back to COVID-19, and what to do about it. 

    My little town is really shut-down.  People have apparently realized the seriousness.  The downside is that everyone seem so sad.  Not a smile anywhere, even avoiding eye contact.  Like we're all diseased.

     

    p.s. I just remembered that I started this thread because the topic was filling up AV8's Hitachi thread.  Sorry that people's opinions have diverged since then but that's life...

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    Even though every member of this forum agreed to keep politics on the shelf, I believe this one thread is actually therapeutic in a way.  These are extraordinary times and this thread is sort of acting like a pressure relief valve I think, better to tap out a paragraph here then grow an ulcer while in isolation.  Besides, there are some very insightful and objective opinions on this thread, objectivity is the first thing to fly out the window when fear sets in.

    Peace and good health brothers.

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    This article, below, is interesting, and at first glance it seems political.  But it's not about sides, it's about process.  There are still problems ahead for the big $2T bill.  It might get delayed even longer.  Sorry, but this might be ulcerative.

    The big bill has passed the Senate.  Now the House has to vote on it.  But, apparently, a very few individuals, on both sides, want to have their votes recorded.  So they might delay passage by calling for a roll call.  Which would mean many of these older in-danger Representatives would have to travel to Washington to place their vote.  

    There is also interesting info about the bill itself in the article.  Like the fact that  localities with fewer than 500,000 people will not get any money.  I'm not even sure really what that means.  Apparently if you live in a small community that's labeled that way you are on your own, no money. 

    And, also, one Representative has been hospitalized with COVID-19.  They need to get things done.

    Apologies for not sticking rigorously to COVID-19.  This seems worth sharing though.  I have learned more about the political process in the USA in the last two years than I ever wanted to know.  

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/26/nancy-pelosi-coronavirus-package-150815

     

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    Bill Gates is talking on CNN.  Seems rational.  Good to see the billionaires getting involved.  Although, why didn't he do something sooner?

    Here's their Foundation page.

    https://www.gatesfoundation.org/TheOptimist/coronavirus

    https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/How-to-respond-to-COVID-19

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     IMHO, trying to keep politics out of a Covid 19 discussion is like having a conversation about West coast Datsun shops and not mention the business name, of a particular California Datsun shop who has done a lot of questionable work in the past and is still in business.

     

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    After some of the more recent comments, I too want to be apart of this discussion. This is a unique window into the happenings both nationally and globally WRT this pandemic. I did not want to go down the political rabbit hole and tried to emphasize early on that this isn’t a political issue. It Is a heath issue highly I mpacted by politically decisions. I want to try and strip the political leanings away from the topic but I too allowed myself to slowly
    Indulge in those discussions.
    So, this situation seems to slowing be getting worse. NY is on the ropes and not really slowing much.
    Here are the challenges I’m personally facing and would love to hear what you all are dealing with.
    My wife is a medical provider, I’m terrified about her working with patients. I have 3 kids all under 12, school is closed UFN. My work schedule is such that I cannot get out of these trips unless I call is sick which I will not do, unless I’m legitimately ill. Cargo is critical to our national supply of needed goods and we are super busy. It’s all hands on deck at work. I have to go and re-expose myself to people at airports, hotels and taxis!l. I’m not thrilled about it! I’m thinking of all the mitigation measures I can take not to bring something home to my family.
    I began planning for the worst case in Mid-Jan. I went out and bought N95 masks before 99% of the population knew what they were. I have about 20. I may donate all but a couple to the local hospital. I need a couple for work. I’m happy to mail anyone that doesn’t have one and needs it for their job or necessary activity. Let me know. If we have people financially on the edge. Car or house payment maybe we can start some sort donation pool to those in most need here. Don’t know how that would look or be managed but just a thought. This goes back to my comment about influencing your circle. People in here are in my pseudo-circle.
    I’ve done my best to self-isolate, and ask my neighbors if they need anything. All I can do is keep my family safe by keeping them home as much as possible. Kids are learning new skills everyday. Haven’t touched my engine rebuild since this really popped and my kids we removed from school. I’m spending about 2 hrs a day conducting classes with my kids.


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    21 minutes ago, Av8ferg said:

    My wife is a medical provider, I’m terrified about her working with patients.

    I have to go and re-expose myself to people at airports, hotels and taxis!

    That's why I tried to get you today. I'm worried about you.

    I know you're super busy, but give me a ring when you get a chance. How much time do they give you between classes?

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    This video is uplifting, at 27:50, and 23:00.  It's Cuomo, but it's just his personal opinion.  The web site is the one that I found when i searched his name and the briefing date.  I saw it this morning.  He has daughters.

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/videos/news/politics/albany/2020/03/26/coronavirus-new-york-gov-andrew-cuomos-march-26-briefing/2917523001/

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    That's why I tried to get you today. I'm worried about you.
    I know you're super busy, but give me a ring when you get a chance. How much time do they give you between classes?

    Thanks CO. I didn’t see you call. I was up at 4am last night wondering and worrying about my trip starting Sunday night. I have 5 flights over a 3 day period. We don’t have child care and don’t want to bring someone into the house at this time. My oldest is 12, he’s responsible but there concerns leaving them all alone in the house (clash of the titans). My wife, is on the hook for all urgent medical procedures, so she never knows how the days will pan out. We had a difficult conversation 3 or 4 days ago that we needed a family plan if one of us gets sick, we are both at elevated risk due to our jobs.
    We have two pilots that tested positive already and seeing how this virus spreads so rapidly I wouldn’t be surprised if the number was actually 15-20 or more. We share the same aircraft, break rooms, computers, and crew buses.
    Yep...I’m concerned.
    I can only take about 40 mins of the kids complaining about learning before we head to the culdesac to ride skateboards. Now they want me to build a ramp!


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    8 hours ago, Av8ferg said:


    Thanks CO. I didn’t see you call. I was up at 4am last night wondering and worrying about my trip starting Sunday night. I have 5 flights over a 3 day period. We don’t have child care and don’t want to bring someone into the house at this time. My oldest is 12, he’s responsible but there concerns leaving them all alone in the house (clash of the titans). My wife, is on the hook for all urgent medical procedures, so she never knows how the days will pan out. We had a difficult conversation 3 or 4 days ago that we needed a family plan if one of us gets sick, we are both at elevated risk due to our jobs.
    We have two pilots that tested positive already and seeing how this virus spreads so rapidly I wouldn’t be surprised if the number was actually 15-20 or more. We share the same aircraft, break rooms, computers, and crew buses.
    Yep...I’m concerned.
    I can only take about 40 mins of the kids complaining about learning before we head to the culdesac to ride skateboards. Now they want me to build a ramp!


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    Wear a mask, safety glasses and gloves 24/7 when you are out. Bring box of gloves and disinfecting wipes with you when away.

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    Wear a mask, safety glasses and gloves 24/7 when you are out. Bring box of gloves and disinfecting wipes with you when away.

    Thanks, will do most of that when possible. I’m concerned about eating the catered food we get. It’s usually things like sliced veggies and fruit, cheese and sandwiches, all fresh. So I’m packing canned tuna, crackers ramen noodles, nuts and microwave soups. I don’t know the status of the places preparing food, especially the foreign countries so I’m taking extra caution there.


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