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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Datsun-Z-Series-/162068983109?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276

Number 64 on Ebay. $50k starting bid plus a reserve. It's not even perfect. After market fuel pump. Interior miss matched, shock tower vinyl looks to have flaws. will be interesting to watch. If it brings that the world of Z's has truly changed...

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I recognize that seller...seems like he always has one or two cars for sale on Craigslist for what seems to me like a 30-50% premium.  $50K+ is, uhh, lofty.

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Nice shiney bumpers...wonder how they fit into the "all original" description.

Dennis

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4 hours ago, siteunseen said:

Is this the same guy that had that convertible in Beverly Hills?  His ad was fun to pick apart. LOL

Yup.  A frequent seller of expensive Zs of questionable value.  Good ebay feedback and sells lots of Zs when you check his sales history.  Bidding appears to be a little slow to get started on this one, however.

Dennis

 

 

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It got a bid at 50K, and get this....  Reserve not met!!! He's got a reserve on it ABOVE 50K.
 
It's beautiful, and I'd love to have it. But for that money? "All original?" In addition to what is in the ad and what has been mentioned above already:
 
H4 headlights. Hood misaligned and standing proud at the front. Front tip of the hood looks rounded like it was pushed in and subsequently fixed. Crack in the right sugar scoop. Green paint overspray on the muffler? Speakers in the doors. Some weird mount (cell phone?) attached to dash. Poor fitting seat covers. Parking brake boot missing. Overspray on front strut tower nuts. Green overspray on floor pans under car.
 
And what's the red spot poking out from underneath the VIN tag? That to me looks like the car used to be orange, but I don't see any signs of that anywhere else.
 
Like I said, it's beautiful, and I hope for all our sakes he gets what he's asking, but geez!!  And for that low of a VIN, I'd want history and mileage documentation.

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On ‎13‎-‎5‎-‎2016 at 4:34 AM, sweatybetty said:

that id plate looks too nice for its age

Also the numbers are NOT factory original.. they are irregular and punched in much to hard on a soft underground.. take a look at a original you'll see the difference..

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I'm not much of a 'Original Guy' but for fun here are the things I picked out that are not correct,

-Overspray, wrong fuel pump, top throttle bell crank should be straight, brake master cyl caps, speakers in doors, wrong radio, missing bumperettes, headlights, P/S mirror(shouldn't be there), wrong D/S mirror, wrong antenna, wrong wheels, some kind of lock just to the left of P/S brake light, front marker lamps upside down, wrong wiper blades, shifter boot colour might be wrong, rear deck carpet from a later year.

What did I miss?  The only clue that there might have been a colour change is that little splash of Datsun orange paint just to the left of the P/S shock tower data plate.

Looks like a solid $14,000 car in need of complete restoration to me.

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IMHO...the low VIN is appealing, but the condition, lack of originality really just not justify the asking price. 

You'd be out close to 100K to put the vehicle to right.

 

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I agree the low vin is really appealing but the 50k is really too high. The car is obviously not "all original" and I would be concerned it has had a color change. If it is not the original color then a need to completely re-spray drops the value a lot. I would think $15,000 to $20,000 wouldn't be out of reason for an extremely low number car $30k at the outside. 50k....No <_<

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13 minutes ago, Patcon said:

I agree the low vin is really appealing but the 50k is really too high. The car is obviously not "all original" and I would be concerned it has had a color change. If it is not the original color then a need to completely re-spray drops the value a lot. I would think $15,000 to $20,000 wouldn't be out of reason for an extremely low number car $30k at the outside. 50k....No <_<

This car has soooo much "wrong", I don't know where to start. haha  Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the original color at this point, as It's probably going to get a re-spray after someone has to go in and repair all the rust rot as evidenced in this pic of the floor pan just in front of the right rear wheel. Yikes!

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I saw that but I wasn't sure that wasn't under coater peeling off instead of rust. The big thing to me as far as an unknown is what is the premium on a very early car compared to a car like Grannyknots sub 2000 vin or a later sort of normal Vin car? I don't know but I would think with the recent appreciation in Z car values the very early cars would experience this even more so. If that is rust, then a color change or recent re-spray would scare me even more. A bad "fill it and paint it" would really hurt if you spent $50k on this car only to find the typical chassis rust in the floors, rockers, doglegs and quarters.

50 minutes ago, DatsunZGuy said:

You'd be out close to 100K to put the vehicle to right.

While this might seem outlandish today I don't think the days of $100k Z cars is that far off. The really low number cars, properly restored will be bringing that in the next 7-10 years, maybe sooner. Especially if governments around the world keep printing money.... Hagerty has them at $50-60 right now, 10% appreciation compounded for 7 years doubles the value to $100-120k...

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If you sell a lot of cars it can probably pay to have artificial asking prices.  Makes the other over-priced cars look like bargains.

Harmony01 from the past - 

 

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Honestly, I'm more than a little surprised he managed to get more than one bidder at $50k.  If you don't succeed, I guess....

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Well, this motivates me.  I often wondered if a restored early car would bring this sort of money.  What I'm hearing from the comments is that a "correct" car would be of this value class.  I'm motivated to work on my cars.

One comment mentioned the color "change".  The shock towers and the rear wheel arches are original vinyl if ever I saw, meaning the car would have been 907 racing green.  See how faded the vinyl is compared to the seats?  I wonder if the pictures are dark or if the paint color is dark.  Racing green is much lighter IMO.  Check out the lower left corner of the deck lid valance.  See the seam in the deck carpet between the seats?

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Hi Chris,

Yes, that car looks like it has been repainted a much darker green than the factory 907.  It was listed on the Treasure Coast FL craigslist about a month ago (right in your backyard).  I wondered if you or Jim F knew of the car.  I think it was listed for $25K OBO then.  I saved the photos from the craigslist ad, but unfortunately not the ad itself.  I'm attaching a few of the craigslist pics, and it's the same dark green.

Apparently the current seller bought the car and then listed it on ebay as soon as he got it.  He seems to try to flip a lot of 240Zs.  If the bids above $50K were real, he's crazy not to take them, given the amount of work that car needs to be correct. 

Like you, it's gotten me considering selling my HLS30-00032 car if I could get those kind of prices for it, and my car is restored/original with all of the correct early parts. 

 

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I am definitely calling my insurance to up the agreed value another $5K.  I am behind the current values.

Next year I may have to do the same if the values keep going up like they have been.

Ebay sellers are really getting good money IMO.

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5k will buy you a decent project these days. Really clean daily drivers are in the low to high teens. Just goes up there from there...

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I've been debating the folks on the Facebook group on this car.. I do think early 240z's will hit $100k USD sooner than later. Already the way in Japan with the more 'unique' S30Z's.

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I've been debating the folks on the Facebook group on this car.. I do think early 240z's will hit $100k USD sooner than later. Already the way in Japan with the more 'unique' S30Z's.

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On May 23, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Lumens said:

Did not sell at $58,400.  Relisted. I think I will pass.

I will too Lumens. IMO he was crazy not to take $58,400.00. The car needs a whole lot of work.....expensive work....very expensive work!

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