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Hi Alan,I flew to London and had a good time with Len, but you are in Japan.(Thank you for the Christmas card) Filipe, yours are the same about numbering of the wheels.Different numbers but same style of typing. Here is mine, please let me show all of the numbers. RMW- 221 9J RMW- 222 9J RMW- 223 9J RMW- 224 9J RMW- 225 9J Some are very hard to read, but some are easy. My method is like this, easy to read 221, 222, 225, then what else are they remaining? Then your eyes can tell step by step they are 223, 224. I am sure for this. How about " RMW " ? I guess that is "Racing Magnesium Wheel" is not it? And " 9J " is, must be OCT 1969 ( J is 10th from the beginning of the alphabet). What do you think of this? Here is a link of Mr.Watanabe he did great research of numbering of Z432 wheel. http://www.geocities.jp/ps30diy/shokai/mag.html Like Alan said, there are various styles of typing numbers. Interesting! kats

Hi, I must organize threads which are oriented from me, following post is excerpt from "Datsun 240z vs Fairlady-z432" #212 . This scan tells us very interesting informations.Each car has each place(department) to belong and has subject to be used. 1 = S30-00001 Nissan Shatai (test drive) 2 = HLS30-00001 Q21 (production factory study) 3 = PS30-00001 Nissan Shatai (test drive) 4 = HLS30-00002 Nissan Shatai (test drive) 5 = S30-00002 Nissan Shatai (test drive) 6 = PS30-00002 K11 (registration) 7 = HS30-00001 Nissan Shatai (test drive) 8 = S30-00003 K11 (registration) 9 = S30-00004 F45 (K31 spare) 10 = S30-00005 F45 (K31 spare) 11 = PS30-00003 F45 (K31 spare) 12 = HLS30-00003 E81 (service; service manual? kats) 13 = S30-00006 F45 (for press/media) 14 = PS30-00004 F45 (K31 spare) This report is dated 25th Jun 1969. kats ------------------------------------------------------------- And today I want to tell you is, we will be able to see new reports about developing S30 in early 1970 from a gentleman who was involved the test , he was a member of a groupe of aerodynamics analysis. I can not show them right now, but from what he is saying about Euro car, that is HLS30Q , Nissan was knowing Euro car needs to be more "sporty and stable in high speed driving" already. So the project "HLS30Q high speed stability development" started from Feb 1970 ended at 27th Mar 1971. And this report was made by department "K42" , now we learned K42 is a groupe of aerodynamics analysis. After this test, Euro car got front and rear spoilers and stiff springs and shocks e.t.c. To think about production volume in 1969, I think HLS30Q and HS30 were very few produced.I guess this happned because of not only Mr.Katayama wanted 240Z for his territory so strongly but also Nissan wanted to sell these(Euro) cars after the car had tested well and ready for Euro customer. Why Nissan did (could) not prepare for all the territory before biggining the production ? I think Nissan just did not have enough engineers and test crews!! kats

Congratulations Mike:classic: What a great find is, a solid metal hood emblem.You found it , we learned. O.K. sticker, I see the name Mr.T. Inoue , would he even have imagined almost after 40 years people talking about this car and still exist? Wonderful:classic: We have to think again about month & year of manufacture of HLS30 for the U.S. and Canada. This wheel and cap tell us a lot. Yes we know it is not 100% accurate. We even do not know when the tag attached on the car. We want to know details, we want to know the definition of "month" of the car which should be attached. I tend to think the tag would have been attached without careful procedure or attached very after car left from the factory, like Alan told us before. Can we trust the plate on the body panel above driver's door striker? Especially for an early car, Nissan held some good volume of HLS30s for the U.S. and Canada at port of Yokohama due to shimmy and vibration problem. Production was kicked off on Oct 1969, but many early cars were fixed (replaced) some parts before shipping for North America. I think the delivery was late not only by boat, also held at Yokohama until early(March?) 1970. kats

Hi, I show you an interesting cover, which is very similar for S30's cap. My friend has 4 of them,he said it might be used for export Skyline because it has D mark. Same as S30, in Japan we never call Z nor Skyline "DATSUN" .Interesting, The left tag has company name, "Yotsuya seizou-bu (co.,ltd)" not IKI (Ichi-koh kohgyou; Ichi-Koh Industries). By the way, the red dot mirror has name " EVER WING" on it, later on it has "IKI" took place. I do not know EVER WING is a brand name of IKI. A Post card, Mr.Matsuo sent me 6th Aug 2002, if you look carefully and can read Japanese, he said some important things... " Basically a RHD car was used for developing, notorious cost cut forced parking break remain RH side for LHD car..." " Hub cap is borrowed its design from GC10..." And an unusual picture, Fair lady-Z got D mark caps!! And valve stem position!!The back ground of this photo taken must be Nissan studio, we can see some time this white concrete back ground in some factory pictures. kats

geezer, what a great find it is, and I too, looked and found odd thing and I was going to post my finding but, you are the first. Please look this picture from NISSAN officialy provided.This red car has odd caps. And my caps given from Mr.Matsuo and Nov 1969 Tokyo motor show 240Z (Thank you Alan) has normal early caps. kats

Thank you Alan, I am always confused about the part number of the bumper,and about Rubber less bumper, I saw some have two grommets on the front, but some do not. I am confusing what is a OEM and what is a NOT OEM. Today, I renew my website again, some short videos there, I think some of you will be interested in these. http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/stopwatch.html Operation of the stop watch(rally clock), the throttle lever(pedal and cable), and the parking light. I intentionally pulled/pushed the throttle lever like "awkward movements" to show the plastic grommet and cable's movement. Enjoy, kats

Very nice, Mike:love: And happy birthday Mike!! kats

Thank you Bonzi Lon!! I send a mail from now:cool: kats

Good to hear from you Mark, please visit some time when you have a time. Thank you Mike, Chris, I confirmed not painted on parking lights symbol. Today I looked an old car magazine again,then I found HS30(maybe Australian 240Z) has a finisher which is painted white for both defroster and parking lights without defroster switch nor parking light switch!!(picture is not good, surely grommets there for both) As I reported while ago, the HS30 parts catalog indicates 86720-E4600 for the finisher, same as HLS30.So I thought HS30 has a finisher not painted for the parking lights.But it does,so for HS30 , 86720-E4100 was applied just like a Japanese S30 family. kats

Thank you Mike,but the seller's comment is not clear for me.It is very confused. I do not get it at all. Even he mentioned "HS30" ... Thank you Alan you are right, in Japan we know the 72 Z432s were produced in 1969. The clock does not look good condition, the mounting bracket is bent? But maybe restore able.Oscillator lost a small piece of metal for covering a connector.If this over $400,I would be going to think about selling my spare NOS rally clock and oscillator:ermm: Once I asked to trade my clock with an original Bridgestone superspeed radial-20/ 175 SR 14 here, nobody offered:sleep: I am still looking for an original good tire, but not going to trade with a clock forever. If the car is HLS30-00031 or PS30-00031 or HS30-00031 or S30-00031, either way that will be so wonderful anyway!! kats

Thank you Mike, and Mark , how are you doing? long time to see you again:classic: Mike, I knew that you are concerning about the painted parking lights, when I saw the picture before and I thought so too.Thank you for reporting about the plastic grommet for the end of cable,that is a good evidence.Where were those removed throttle cables sent? Just in a trash bin and burned? What a sad story:cry:How about steel wheels and hubcaps? But I am wondering could it be just a result of accumulating dusts looked painted white ? If the symbol of light is white, it would have looked more white would not? If #32 has a painted finisher, it is 86720-E4100. The difference between 86720-E4100 and 86720-E4600 is the symbol of light is painted white or not, I think. On the really early cars, it could have been happened installing mixed up E4100 and E4600.Nissan Shatai might be panic. Hi Mark, your car has a throttle lever, great:classic:

Chris, Can you see inside from gaps of the broken mask? I think 27th has a 18410-E4401 then removed a throttle lever! kats

Hi Arne, I do not know this can be helpful for your question,I attached the FS5C71-A of my Z432. The housing of the clutch plate area is different,but I think others are the same for L-series engines. To look carefully around shift lever basement is the good point of this transmission. I hope it helps, kats

Thank you very much Chris, Yes I forgot mentioning about blank plate(grommet) for the defroster and the parking light. Thank you Her majesty 27th,yours finisher is the best to describe.And still it is clean shape:classic: The grommet for the defroster (86722-E4100) The grommet for the parking light(86721-E4600) E4100 is oriented for S30s(Japanese) , E4600 is for HLS30s, from this point of view,there would not have been any provision for parking light for HLS30s? A Nov 1969 HLS30 parts catalog has a mistake , it is numbering opposite each other.We can see many of mistakes like this, choke knob and throttle knob are also numbered opposite. While a Japanese parts catalog is showing correctly for the grommet for the defroster. I am excited about seeing 27th has a blank mask for the throttle lever. When it was attached? At a factory in Japan? At a dealer in America? 27th is a extremely low VIN car but it does have it!! A 1970 U.S.240Z brochure has a picture of a finisher,we can see no-mask for the throttle.Just no-lever, no-knob and there is a slot.So, only like these brochure cars(00006/7/8 according Carl mentioned) do not have a mask? Very interesting,thank you. kats

Hi, I am trying to organize the pictures of the choke/throttle items. So far we have got many good pictures from owners here,they are very good ones as good references.Please refer this page also, http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29554&highlight=hand+throttle Here they are, #1 A choke/throttle mechanism which has two same length of slots for levers. and it has a Bakelite sandwich plate for traveling the throttle lever. I think this is the earliest. (240znz's 12/70 HS30,18410-E4101-02? kats's 01/70 PS30,18410-E4201-02?) (PS30 has only one choke cable for the 3 MIKUNIs!!) #2 And I think this mechanism is also used for the earliest HLS30? Not only a very few of HLS30s which have the throttle lever, also early HLS30s which were taken the throttle lever by the dealer. (for HLS30 18410-E4401) #3 Later, a shorter slot for the throttle lever applied.This mechanism has different lever basement for the throttle. HLS30 cars for the U.S. and some other areas do not even have the throttle lever from the beginning.This is true for Automatic transmission too. (for S30/HS30 18410-E4103-04? for PS30 18410-E4203-04?) (for HLS30 18410-E4502,E4601) (for Automatic S30/HS30/HLS30 18410-E4502) (there is a part number for Automatic 18410-E4501 from Nov 1969 anyway) #4 A floor console finisher which has only a symbol of a defroster :angry:And a symbol of a pair of lights :bulb: :bulb: There are no "ON" for the defroster/lights. Both symbols are painted white for S30/PS30 while only for the defroster for HS30/HLS30 Also this finisher has two same length of slots for levers just like the earliest lever mechanism corresponding. (for S30/PS30 86720-E4100 , for HS30/HLS30 86720-E4600) (This part does not have any superseded part number) #4 Not for sure of biginning date, at some point, there is a "mask" for hiding the blank throttle lever added for HS30/HLS30(manual) , S30/HS30/HLS30(auto) (86728-E4700) #5 Later, there are letter "ON" for the defroster and lights. "ON" is painted white only for the defroster is for HS30/HLS30 while all the three "ON" are painted for S30/PS30. #6 Later, a shorter slot for the throttle lever applied on this finisher just like the later lever mechanism.Of course this finisher has a letter "ON" below the defroster/lights symbols and painting variation is the same described above. kats PS : Thank you 240znz, Marty Rogan, WindyCityZnut, Mr.Ataka, and Mr.Jeff Joyner for all the pictures which are used in this post.I am sorry for this using before obtaining the permission.

Hi, geezer,stay tune:classic: I will do one at a time , it is a bit expensive for me. Carl, thank you for the recall.And the car in the slide could be HLS30-00003,now I think so too. HLS30-00001 and 00002 would have been crashed or cut into pieces Alan, I agreed what you suggested. Thank you as always, please jump in anytime and share your knowledge with us :classic: kats

Hi Gab, Thank you for your sharing the story for us.I enjoyed reading all. I hope you keep all the old/original parts which are pulled during the restoration in your boxes.Even they are dirty, they are treasure for you. If the old harnesses are still remaining date tags, it will be great references. If your car would have stuck at a final inspection, the car could have been installed all the unique earliest parts. On the other hand, if the car would have stuck at somewhere in the middle of assembly line, let's say at an engine installing section in Oct 1969,the car could have mixed parts.Early engine associated with early engine room parts could have been combined Feb 1970 parts such as an steering horn basement dated " 45 2 ## (1970 Feb ##)", non-red dot mirror,white Z emblems, fuel door knob locked at east-west e.t.c. However those are all my guesswork. Generally speaking, when instruments/interior items are placed? How about emblems? Can anyone give me a good explanation? And unusual engine number with chassis number, there is a good example in Japan. Mr.Yoshida's Z432 is PS30-00347 (12/70) and has S20-000074!! My Z432 is PS30-00088(01/70) and has S20-000884. Z432 shared S20 with Skyline GTR, however 000074 is extremely unusual even his car is later than mine. I think if PS30-00001 could have got S20-000600 to 000700 range is natural. Until the end of Oct 1969, 58 240Zs(HS30 and HLS30) were made.It depends on how many HS30s were made in that period, anyway HLS30-00048 would have began its road trip on the assembly line in Oct 1969 or early Nov 1969. How about my guesswork? kats

Hi, Recently I was told an interesting story from my friend,Mr.Yoshida who owns 12/70 Z432 (PS30-00347).He said he bought his Z432 in Sep 1972 from a used car shop(He saw a Skyline GTR too,but the Z won!). He said he is very sure that the Z432 has got squared knobs already when he saw the car at the shop. He has been a owner of the car since then, he just replaced a choke knob to a new one(squared type) once around 1995.He still has the broken choke knob, that is a squared type.And of course, the throttle knob is squared type and has never been replaced after he bought the car. So, we found a fact that the squared type exist in 1972 already,this is great. Maybe Nissan started production of squared knob from around 1972 for 69-71 model while a new console was already equipped in the assembly line. Nissan would have stored two types of knobs , rounded and squared choke/throttle knobs in their parts department at least mid 1980 or so. And my guesswork is like this, Mr.Yoshida saw the Z432 at the shop in Sep 1972, just before he saw the car ,the car 's choke or throttle knob would have been broken.The broken knob(s) should have been rounded type as a 12/70 car. The used car shop would have had to make it better look console, they would have replaced to new one(s). I think a choke knob is usually easy to brake from daily operation.The original choke knob could have been broken, I guess.The shop would have ordered the choke knob and expected rounded type, but they would have get squared type knob. Then they would have to buy a squared type throttle knob to much the new squared choke knob. kats

Hi Unkle, I was wondering too, Grey plastic parts and a red dot mirror. But if this car has originally Black plastic parts and other later parts, can we guess when those parts were installed. geezer's post inspired me to have fun to imagine. I noticed the hood corner bumper, they are not the earliest one.I do not know the owner put later one instead of the earliest one, but if they are originally with the car, it is very fun to guess the sequence of assembling parts. #48 , L24-2398 with 02/70 date tag.I think this car could be a good example to think about what and when these parts would have been installed. And what happened, when it happened , all I can do is just "imagine" . kats

Thank you Mike , Arne I think I got the answer from both of you, the best combination example owners and I was expected this result. Yes the two left pictures are the original of my 03/70 240Z. So, like other parts, the first one is something "not sophisticated" , " cost more" parts. At least 03/70 cars have early one, I would like to have more reports about this to find out when the border line is ? Thank you, kats

You are not interested in my 240Z, because of high VIN number and not original paint...I know, I know. just kidding. kats

Hi, I have just one question, I had two early tail gate trim panels(including the one came with my 240Z), and found they are slightly different finishing touch around air vent area. I am sure my 240Z's panel is the original,came with the car from the factory. This trim panel has a small black panel with air vent holes attached to the panel body. I have bought an early trim panel from the U.S. some years ago,this panel does not have a small black panel, just air vent holes are placed on the basement. Is this non-small black panel one earlier than my 03/70 240Z? If some one can check this , please let me know. kats

Thank you,Chris You gave me a new interesting point of view. Racing green,you are probably right, it looks darker color more than red. About the aircleaner, light blue can be seen at Z432 also.Here is pictures from recently sold on Yahoo. kats

Thank you Mike, Now I am looking at them:classic: kats

Mike, I really want to see pictures.If I have lots of money,I definitly buy this car and your #32.The asking price is so attractive as a low VIN and restored car. Does the bumper has one bolt on each side and bumper bracket is an earlier one? Are the glasses all clear , not tinted ? Looks like Canada car, non-air pump, non-fuel vaper tank, japanese gas tank (non-return fuel line) ? kats