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Hi Alan,Stephen Thank you ,both you made my points clear.Your correction is what I wanted to say. PS30-00087 is good,but not my taste. And there is a #902 gold Z432,(I do not know the serial number)this car is 8000,000JPY now,this car is not good condition.This is a bad example. kats

Hello, let me join this thread,I would like to show my collection. I have two of the 1970 press kit,both said "FOR RELEASE PM'S WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 22,1969" but they are not exactly the same. #1 Left one has two picures and three description papers for 240Z right one has only one picture and one description paper which is excerpt from the Road and Track Jan 1970,actually the paper has a date on top said "for immediate release Jan 19, 1970" #2 a picture from the left one,I think this car is the same which Chris posted,the RED 240Z.This car might be used many other adds and catalogs. #3 a picture from the left one,back side view of the 240Z #4 papers from the left one #5 a picture and a paper from the right one.This picture,a young man and a young lady,are not the same from the first 240Z catalog in the U.S.But the car looks the same of the Road and Track magazine's. kats

I am getting better,thank you Will, and Chris. The pictures of the manual, #1 The left is 20th Dec 1969,the right is 15th Jan 1970 #2 page 13 from the 1969 manual,description of the hand throttle #3 page 13 from the 1970 manual,just a picture of a 240Z #4 but close up view of that page,you can see the paper sheet is attached over the original throttle picture. Will,I really sorry about the Fairlady-Z manual written in English,I am ready to send but I forgot.Please let me know again your e-mail adress which can receive many pictures. Mike,I bought the hood bumpers!! kats

Hello, This is an interesting thread,I would like to introduce this Z432 now for sale in Japan. http://cala.flexnet.co.jp/flexcw/search/detailXG.jsp?wk=+where++%28++tenji_ktn_cd+%3D+%27REVIEW-HQ%27%0A+or++tenji_ktn_cd+%3D+%27FLEXSETAGAYA%27%0A+or++tenji_ktn_cd+%3D+%27KAWAGUCHI%27%0A+%29%0A++order+by+photocase%2C+data_regist_date+desc+%2C+asp_no&sc=XGA&an=23129 This car is verified PS30-00087,just ahead of my Z432.Like Chris' 26th and 27th sisters,these two Z432s are the same color and must be in a sequence in a production line. For sale 8,000,000JPY now ,this car was for sale two years ago at different car shop 6,000,000JPY.Price is rising like this.Be careful,there is a bad example,a not good condition Z432 is now 8,000,000 this car was 4,800,000 last year.I do not think that car deserved 4,800,000 anyway. I think the seller should know right price for right car. This 00087 is unrestored body,still great original painting with remaining lots of early original small parts. What not my taste is many customizing added,AFM air conditioning,front and rear suspension components are upgraded,electric cooling fan for the radiator,and the engine is not 2000.That is modified to 2300cc with different camshafts.And custom middle and rear exhaust systems.But these modifications are strong sales featuring for the people who like these upgrades. kats

Hi, #1 Z432 needs two radiator caps(in early model like 1969 to jan 1970). The left for the reservor tank(you notice push bottun),the rigt for the radiator. This -E4201 is code for the Z432,but I think my 1970 HLS30 240Z has same cap.Is this true? #2 What do you think of this black plastic duct?This is for the cabin air intake next to the right corner of the radiator.Yes,this unique shape is only for the Z432.It has to be this shape because of Z432's air cleaner duct system.Do you know what I mean? #3 This is not nothing new,the jute pads for the early RHD model.Just not interchangeable with the early LHD model. kats

Hello all,and thank you everyone making good inputs here. I have just got out from the hospital today,I have got an acute pneumonia. Two weeks stay in the hospital is not so bad,I am happy I come back. Joseph,the manual is interesting.I believe Vintage Z program reissued 3 manuals including the same manual which you mentioned.Yes I was wondering why describing the hand throttle,/5 speeds/etc.. I will post some unique pictures of my collection,Dec 1969 and Jan 1970 HLS30 manual.Dec 1969 mentioned about hand throttle.But Jan 1970,I can see the same printing as Dec 1969 behind a paper sheet which shows non-hand throttle illustration is attached over the original page. FilipeA,hello and welcome from Portugal !I enjoyed your restoration pictures too:love:Very nice and want to see more.I was surprised and have never knew the magnesium wheels are the same in your country!!I envy you the "D" small cap for the wheel.In Japan,Z432 does not have "D" for the cap.But can only be seen in very very early prototype Z432 has "D" for the magnesium wheel.Do you know in Japan,complete set of the wheel is expensive,like 2000$U.S. today. Thank you, kats

Thank you Mike B, Let me buy 10 pieces:):) You made a Great effort,very nice clips. kats

Hi, First let me go back this thread a few months. Ian,I would like to show this.My boss in the company who loves Z like me owns this 280Z.He also spent a few years in Bakesfield CA as a cheaf instructor of the flight training.He shipped this 280Z to Japan with his returning. In Japan,there are not many enthusiasts of American Z.Very few there but exist.Like me,people of DATSUN 240Z fan is not many.American Z is way cheap in Japan.I am not happy with this... I like this big bumper,and yellow! Thank you Will ,geezer, And I wanted to put as JPG,I need to study computer... NZeder, Thank you Good information,I was wondering this "GARAGE" is only for japan or not. One thing I want to know,is your turn signal SW lever is Strait or Curved? Fairlady Z has different steering wheel which got the horn bottun is same surface as wheel.( I can not exprain well,how do you say?) 3 metal spokes are shorter than exported model,i.e. the wheel is set slightly dash side than expoted model. So,the JDM turn signal lever has to be strait.If it was not,your fingers could be hooked between them. If NZeder,your turnsignal SW lever is strait,there are prenty of space. If it is curved towards wheel,it will be nice to operate.I believe your wheel is exported model like my HLS30. Thank you, kats kats

Thank you JimmyZ, I really appreciate this,I wanted to upload as JPG,but my laptop forces to use Adobe suddenly.I need to work some ... Yes,the wrench which Z432 got is showing NISSAN on the surface.The name is casting.Only two wrench and one puller they all have casting NISSAN name. Bob,super nice wrench set:love:I believe I saw the tool set when you displayed your stock winner 240Z at Long beach,did not I? I want set of wrench like yours. Mike,you are tool fanatic!Thank you for these pictures.I need to look carefuly mine and see what is a point between them. It is fantastic that you have THE jack handle.From the parts catalog,I do not see the part number for the jack handle.But the rubber holder of the jack handle is there,however the number is not - E41. That is -229 I guess this is primalily used for 510. If I could find rubber holder and handle,I want to install them on the rear deck.But I need to drill rear deck to fit the rubber holder. kats

Thank you Chris and Mike, These are nice reports.It is interesting 26th and 27th have rivet type,and 237th has no tab for one side.There could be some reason they were mixed up to supply in the factory. I strongly agree with Mike. We,like early Z owners MUST want to have this plastic clip.Who can reproduce and sell this ?I will buy 10 pieces!!Mortor sport auto can do this ? If this clip go on Ebay,it will be scare to see the winning price. kats

Hi, I would like to ask every one who knows about this rare tools. I have been wondering tools,the Nov 1969 parts catalog illustrated tool of jack handle,that is different which I have one and have been seen so far. Also that parts catalog illustrated rubber holder of jack handle on the rear deck.But I do not think there could be a Z which is installed the rubber parts. And then,I found the picture of these rare tool in the Nov 1969 Fairlady Z owners manual.Please see the picture of the rear deck.You can see the jack handle on it.Please note the spare tire holder,this is not seen on 240Z,my Z432 has this holder. Does anyone have a Z which got this rare jack handle on the rear deck? Thank you, kats toolrench[1].pdf reardeck.pdf tool.pdf

Hello, I did not know my Z432's ignition sw face plate is different from my 240Z. There is "GARAGE" insted of "OFF" on the face plate. I checked my Fairlady Z owner's manual,issued Nov 1969,there is a discription about ignition SW position.It says, "GARAGE" for please use when you do not need to lock the steering.This position allows you operate lighting system and horn." kats cylinder.pdf key.pdf owners.pdf

Hello, Early topics we have not seen here recently, have we? Some of you may know this,differences of the early inspection lid. I think there are 4 steps of the inspection lid(Early which have a plastic clip for retaining). #1 The bigining(maybe prototype) do not have a L-shape tab which is touched by the hood .Just have a rubber. See the picture of the yellow Z.I believe this Z432 is PS30-00013. You will notice there is no hood bumper, also the bracket of the master vac hose is different. #2 The second one has a L-shape tab but it is rivetted. See the picture of the blue Z,this is HLS30-00476 11/1969 #3 The third one looks same which we usualy have seen. But the L-shape tab,this separate piece is welded to the lid. See the picture of the silver Z,this is PS30-00088 01/1970 #4 The fourth one is very common for us,this one piece (L-shape tab and lid together) finish is continued to the later production. See the picture of the blue(clean) this is HLS30-02156 03/1970 Thank you, kats ps3013.pdf lid.pdf z432[1].pdf 240z0370.pdf

What I have seen so far is,#1 is always seen on 1969 car.#2 is seen quite long term period,from1970 to 1972(not sure the month) I guess the transition was made from #1 to #2 in the early 1970.#2 to #3 was in the 1973? kats

Hello Chris, I have been also interested in this,and I think Mike B showed nicely. My understanding is, #1 Earliest does not have reinforcements nor holes/with flat hood release handle #2 second production has reinforcements but no-holes/with angled hood release handle #3 third production has reinforcements and holes/with angled hood release handle I confirmed HLS30-00476 (Nov1969) has #1 hood,PS3-00088(Jan1970) has also #1 hood.HLS30-02156(Mar1970) has #2 hood,but this one may not original from the car was born. What date is a borderline between them? kats

Hi Carl,I realized the same when I posted it.I have never had an experience of divorce but I really understand what you are saying. I will reply some,soon. kats PS.This car belongs to Mr.Len Welch KENT U.K.

"Whole family" thank you, kats

Hello, When I brought my 240Z to Las Vegas 2000,I have got an advertisement of these cars next to the register counter.I still have it,there were so many Zs listed in it,our #51(10/69) with L24-002239 and #305(11/69) with L24-002514 too. For me,if these cars still keep very hard to find items like chrome Z emblems,rare plastic small parts etc,which were applied only for 1969 Z,then I would consider to buy.But $5000 would be my best if I would buy for this rusty condition. What about if there would be a flawless Restoration completed 1969 car, but it could not keep its original hard to find items?Replaced by easy to find later parts?I would not be interested in it.I would not buy it for $50000. I want a 1969 car with non-restored and keeping all the original small items perfectly for $25000:p if I did not buy a Z432. Alan,we are doing the same.I have been trying to tell the universe of the Z for Japanese people.They do not try to see overseas model.They(magazine) are always talking about 240ZG and Z432,I hate it !! You have been trying to tell the hole family of Z. I strongly support your statement "S30" it is simple,it is core of the car.We just add ,HL,P,whatever. I can see something has been changing. I will start a good place we all have fun to debate about "before October 1969" kats

Hi, I will never sold my Zs.I drive and drive them until they worn out.I do not keep them displayed in the garage,it is not good for maintaining mechanical condition.I do not care stone scratch on the fresh paint. Sometimes I ask myself how long I can enjoy such an old car?I am afraid someday Global worming,gas run out,etc will make me stop driving an old car. I am not serious right now but sometimes I think like that. I know if I sell my Zs I can not earn same amount of money which I payed for.I will loose lots of money even if I sell them right now.Even more I loose more money when I sell after 10 or 20 years later,Zs will accumulate lots of miles and no-more clean condition,and what if there will be the regulation of Prohibition of driving old car? I do not have any idea what I am doing after 10 or 20 years.So,I want to enjoy right now. kats

I will upload of some videos,operation of 8 track stereo system. Also do you want to see the different lighting system from the U.S. model? And rally clock operation? Two cars are locate very far from my house.So it will take some weeks. kats

Hello,and thank you all. Alan and Carl make this thread active and spread more.And of course other folks' inputs are very important and interesting.Thank you always. For me,this is interesting.Why Nissan sold "stiff suspension" for Europe,"soft suspension" for the U.S. For Japan, both.How about Australia? HS30 for U.K. and Australia are completely same driving ability? HLS30 for U.S. and Europe are completely same driving ability? Mr.Miyazaki once told me when he was a chief of test crew of Europe 240Z,the team brought a 240Z with very very hard suspension to make good lap time at turn pike.He said 240Z was supposed to be enter Montecarlo rally before its debut in Europe,for PR.First he felt it was too much hard,but German Nissan said it was good. I know there was a DATSUN sports department in the U.S. And I know Mr.K likes sports car very much.He did great support for motor sports in the U.S. Did Mr.K think 240Z as it is just fine to sell every body? Mr.K thought if someone want to race 240Z,just buy parts from DATSUN sports department,didn't he? kats PS : amendment,Mr.Miyazaki told me two Z432s were sent to the U.S.Not just S20 engine. The one was a Z432 and the other was a Z432R. He was told the Z432R was crashed. If someone find Z432 and Z432R's wreck,please report here!! Carl,yes Z432's seat basement is painted black this time.Original is my 240Z's seat.See the picture.

Thank you lots of input every one, My love for my 240Z has not changed at all.I love it very much and I love everything related with the 240Z especialy U.S. 240Z. I am loving Z432,and learning Z432.Soon I can not say which is the best for me,I will say I love them "Both". Remember I told about Mr.Miyazaki (please see #24 in this thread) he said he was told one Z432 sent (exported?) to the U.S. but soon it crashed. And one S20 was sent too. Let's find out who is hiding with S20 in his hand!!Must be somewhere. Mr.Miyazaki said Z432 was not exported to the U.S. due to emission regulation which was getting harder and harder at that time.Engineers did not think about a smog pump with a S20.It looses power,it does nothing good for S20 as a racing engine. And consider about service and repair surpport in the U.S.,Nissan thought it was imppossible to expect good number of mechanics who can really take care of S20 engine. ( I do not know about this,but same in Japan,the old Z432 owner told me he had to drive 500 miles to Tokyo Nismo service center for maintainance of Z432 in 70's.) What about Europe and Australia? No smog requiered.I do not have any idea.Cost of S20? maybe.Let me think about price conversion back in 1970. The 240Z in the U.S. was $3,526 ,I chose the Fairlady-ZL to the best comparison was 1,080,000JPY. Z432 was 1,850,000JPY. S20 engine was saying aprox.700,000JPY. Z432=1.712x ZL , so if Z432 was on sale in the U.S.,the price tag would be $6,040:eek: :eek: (please do not take this seriously) What do you think of this price range?No-more good price?What about value for money in this case? I said before,S20 engine has no problem in the High temp operation,I feel disapointment that Z432 was not exported.Like Arizona and Texas,Florida people could enjoy and buy Z432. PS:spare tire bord is two piece for Z432. The seat belt hook for JDM is this location. kats

Thanks Mike , and Alan,I am going to London this month,15th Jun.Is there any chance to see you there?I also tell Len that my flight is set. You are very strict!I have to be honest,my Z432 has lots of "non-standard" parts.Front wind screen,plated axle,front break disk(first slotted hat originals were installed,but they are not enough thickness),door weather strips(originals were tried but they are too thick the doors didn't shut correctly,replaced to the later soft and thin one) My 240Z is now 7 years old from restoration,well maintained but not clean.I think my 240Z is purer than Z432,240Z has lots of original parts from body panels to screws. First of all,before I decided to buy Z432,I had hated Z432.My best car in my mind was DATSUN 240Z.Because Every time Z432 show up in the magazine,journalists say "top model of S30 family" What is the definition of "top " in that case?The highest price?I did not agree. S20 engine ?I was very suspicious about S20,because many many Z and skyline owners say "S20 engined car(Z432 and skyline GTR) is not so fast on the street,modified L series is faster and easier to drive than S20.those car is always difficult to set up and maintain for good condition." Now I found,Z432 is very exciting car.My first ride was last year,on Mr.Yoshida's car.I was surprised S20 engine is so sexy looking and sound,torque engine and sharp response for the throttle control. And my 1000miles driving with renewed Z432, Everything is tight,suspension is good,steering ,throttle and clutch pedal are needed little more muscle than 240Z.These feeling is very exciting for me. I feel "I am driving car!" I think 240Z is very soft everything.I know it is 7 years old from restoration,I can not compare directly with the car fresh off the restoration shop. One thing I want to tell you all,I was in heavy traffic jam on the highway on this 1000miles driving with Z432.I had to go a several feet ,then stop.I had to repeat this almost 40 to 50 minutes!!Outside was very hot,I was worried about water temp.I unlatched hood lock to give little open for air flow and turned on heater.I always do this 240Z when I have to drive in a jam. Water temp of Z432 had been stabilized in the middle all the time.That was better than 240Z.240Z's temp is higher little more in the same situation. S20 engine has well considered water cooling system and cross-flow intake and exhaust system gives good operation,fuel will not be heated,you can not get fuel vapor lock because of the fuel pomp is near the gas tank and three carbs are opposite side of exhaust manifold. Thanks, PS the picture is Mr.Yoshida's Z432 kats

Thank you Chris! Some one noticed this Z432's hood is NOS but later type.Original hood came with,but paint finish was not completed before I picked up. Now the original hood is in painting,please note the edge of the corner,it is very simple metal press.This is the earliest. kats

At the Tokyo old car show,two 432s were there. The Orange one is Z432-R,this car belongs to Mr.Takeuchi and is well known as a best example of Z432-R.We see this car on the book and web so many times. You can see the Z432-R's oil cooler,non-master vac of the break system. I have got a NOS oil cooler but I will not install it.S20 engine is very good for cooling,my driving style could be "too cool" for the engine.If you race it and always go up to 10000rpm,you need the oil cooler.If you install it,you also need a pair of special bracket for the dual horns. And,FRP hood.This is not After market.This is original,very cool. kats