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    41 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    You like the UK's herd-thinning approach? 

    Funny, hadn't thought of that term.  Actually, I like it from the standpoint that its' intention is to build up a societies anti-bodies naturally.  The science is that there may be a larger percentage of deaths in the short term, but in the long term there will be an overall greater society resistance due to the extensive exposure and fewer death in the long run.  (percent is appropriate in this case as the population sizes are very different between the US and UK).  Honestly, I don' think you can escape it.  Between Costco, Ralphs, family, etc....we are just too connected as a people.

     

    41 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    Maybe COVID-19 is actually a government (world government) plan to reduce the burden on society of an aging population.

    Yes, this has crossed my mind as well, fabricated by some Gen-Xer  worried about not receiving social security as they get older.

     

    Also thought it might be a ploy developed by the 1% at Davos to get the Fed Rate down to 0% so they can borrow Billions and charge 3% to the masses.  3% of billions is a lot of money.  (Just thought I would increase my use of percentages here 😀)

    OR.....don't get me started.

     

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    2,000 people have died in Italy.  If we follow Italy's path, we'll be over 10,000 dead, at least, just comparing population size.

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    Just read that Canada's borders are closing to individual travel.  Commerce will continue though.

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    40 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

    Just read that Canada's borders are closing to individual travel.  Commerce will continue though.

    I thought that was racist?

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    6 minutes ago, Jeff G 78 said:

    I thought that was racist?

    Leadership in Canada is BS.... Flights are still coming in from China!!!!

    Just landed in Toronto moments ago....,,,, we have many airports.

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    But when you have this for a leader:

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    The government here just made an announcement with the options we have to deal with the situation.

    1. Do nothing and let the virus spread uncontrolled. Hospitals most probably won't have enough ic beds.

    2. Restrict population movement and contact. The population gradually gets infected and builds up self immunity. Once two thirds of the population is infected the spread will reduce and become managable.

    3. Lock down country and restrict movement through house arrest etc to stop spread.

    The only realistic options are 1 & 2 with preference for option 2.

    With option two most people with be infected within 3 to 4 months and build up an immunity to the virus. A slower spread will relieve the hospitals so they can cope with the severe cases.

    That is the theory anyway.

    I have 5 colleagues with it. One has light astma and he had a lot of trouble breathing. He is feeling better now, but he said it was a lot worse than any flu he has ever had. I don't know when he can start working. Won't be soon.

    Another colleague said flu was a lot worse and didn't have too much trouble getting over it.

     

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    I think that the degradation of America's public education system over the years is largely to blame for many of the things that people are doing in response.  It's incredible.  What could they be thinking?  Guns, ammo, and toilet paper?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

     

    Edit - somehow this article here seems related... https://komonews.com/news/local/paraglider-falls-100-feet-off-poo-poo-point

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    Korea seems to have the most accurate stats.  ~ 0.7% death rate is not as bad as feared.  Not sure why Italy and Iran are higher.  Different strain of virus or more people with underlying ailments.

    There are a few reasons.
    1. The Koreans have done elaborate testing far more that the Italians. When you test more the death rate declines, because you are confirm cases in heathy population that would otherwise not be counted.
    2. I lived in Italy for 3 years. The National hospital system isn’t that great. I had to bring my own sheets, towels and other items when my daughter was born in an Italian hospital. They’re way below what you’d accept if admitted.
    3. Italians are highly social people. They kiss on sides of face for greetings and are heavy smokers too.
    4. Koreans are rule followers much like the Japanese. The Italian ate everything but rule followers. Getting an Italian to do anything they don’t want is difficult. It’s a cultural thing.


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    everything in the states is viewed thru a political lens, this included wars/natural disasters/and now medical pandemics. Its is unfortunate since the messages are often distorted by who is reporting and what there political bias maybe. The last time I can recall when this was not the case was when Tim Russert was alive. You really never knew where he came down on an issue. And then there is the 24/7 news cycle that needs to be constantly filled, there is only so much news out there. When you hear the same exact talking points being expressed you have to wonder is anyone doing independent investigating or are we just given a script that is to be repeated endlessly.

    Education is a BIG problem. History is told by the victors, but even then its often retold to fit what ever your team needs to hear. Back to working on my Z something that I can have an effect on.

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    Our great leader just fell on his sword in the Wuhan Virus battle.  His wife has it and he is in quarantine.

    In Canada it's all about how you feel... unicorns and rainbows.

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    I was kinda hoping to make the ALCAN run this summer. Maybe have to postpone that one.

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    So many great points brought up by Dave and ZH. There are so many factors and forces driving the way people react. The news organizations should be ashamed of themselves for stoking fear in people. I’m back in Panama, landed at 9am this morning and unfortunately I have only two English channels in my hotel CNN and Fox News. There is nothing similar in what they report. My company has advices all persons to remain in hotel which sucks because I had planned on taking the canal tour. Things are slowing to a down here too . Last weeks the roads were nuts today...not so much traffic.
    People stockpile because it’s the only way they can find comfort when faced with things they have no control over. In my opinion is always good to have food in the pantry, TP under the cabinet and generals supplies, Especially if you have a family to support. People buy ammo because they fear riots like happened in LA (Rodney King) or more recently in Baltimore. You can never underestimate what desperate people will do. Our modern society has a thin layer of civility separating us from chaos. We’ve created a system that is fragile. Global food supply chain, we depend on and so many thing to make sure our stores are stocked and fuel and electricity are available. We are only 9 meals away from total chaos in modern society. I have lots of ammo because shooting is a hobby and I’m a gun enthusiast. I also have them to protect my family. I conceal carry and have a federal firearms license and can carry on all commercial aircraft when traveling. It’s great because I never have to go through security lines.
    In times like these it’s important to help others, be a leader in your community and be that voice of reason around the sheep.


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    Korea seems to have the most accurate stats.  ~ 0.7% death rate is not as bad as feared.  Not sure why Italy and Iran are higher.  Different strain of virus or more people with underlying ailments.

     The “Mahan” airline owned by the Islamic revolutionary guard of Iran has been regularly flying to Wuhan and back with students / guards etc. They publicly denied it until they couldn’t any longer!

     

    Furthermore, they told people it was nothing to worry about to ensure they turned out to vote during recent elections.

     

    Meanwhile the high ranking mullahs and their families have been flown to Russia and other neighbouring counties to be protected.

     

    You really can’t make it up!

     

     

    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-guard-s-airline-continued-regular-flights-to-china-despite-official-denials/30452950.html

     

     

    Italy was simply slow to diagnose and given that they are incapable of communicating without hands and touch, it was a fate acompli! ;) you know the old joke? What do you call an Italian with only one arm?

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    A dyslexic! :p

     

     

    Just got back from supermarket and the usual lack of loo roll and sanitiser aside, all the pasta, pesto, tomato sauce and flour were completely wiped out!! I didn’t realise there were that many Italians in the UK!?

     

     

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    Let's please don't do a leadership comparison! LOL
     


    Oh no, pleeeease let’s not compare leaders ...

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    Can’t unsee the “moobs” ...

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    And on a good day ...

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    I just got back from Utah a couple of hrs ago, was doing some hiking in the canyons.  On the way back to Las Vegas this morning to fly out there was a guy on the main Hwy holding a big sign saying FEAR NOT.   Cars were honking with approval.

    I swear some people seem to enjoy panicking. 

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    15 hours ago, Av8ferg said:

    People buy ammo because they fear riots like happened in LA (Rodney King) or more recently in Baltimore. You can never underestimate what desperate people will do. Our modern society has a thin layer of civility separating us from chaos. We’ve created a system that is fragile. Global food supply chain, we depend on and so many thing to make sure our stores are stocked and fuel and electricity are available. We are only 9 meals away from total chaos in modern society. I have lots of ammo because shooting is a hobby and I’m a gun enthusiast. I also have them to protect my family. I conceal carry and have a federal firearms license and can carry on all commercial aircraft when traveling. It’s great because I never have to go through security lines.
    In times like these it’s important to help others, be a leader in your community and be that voice of reason around the sheep.


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    This is exactly right. Society, atleast  society in the US, is not nearly as polite as it was 5 or 10 years ago, and scared and or hungry people are very unpredictable. There are a surprising number of people who realize this and that there is a limited amount of food in the grocery store. I believe that is the main reason for people stocking up. The government isn't going to give any notice if they institute interstate travel bans or shelter in place orders. So many people don't really keep much food at home because a great many of them eat out a lot. If you think you might be stuck at home tomorrow for 2 weeks, you might like to have some food. Easy food too, if you might not be feeling great. It's just logical...

    It's actually refreshing to see that there are still some logical people in this country.

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    From The Far Side website today...Gary Larson called it 36 years ago.

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