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Well this post got a little weird.  Stick to what's right?  Maybe we need to remember we are dealing with classic cars and not what to do with a nuclear North Korea?  :) 

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6 minutes ago, 87mj said:

Well this post got a little weird.  Stick to what's right?  Maybe we need to remember we are dealing with classic cars and not what to do with a nuclear North Korea?  :) 

This is a specialist forum. Those sailing blithely into such waters might be well advised to pay attention to the charts. 'Here be Monsters'.

  "...and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia..." was perhaps - in retrospect - a little unwise, don't you think?

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Wow. That is a nice array of cars you have. Grats.

Im a 280Z owner so I don't get hung up on on all these issues.

I have being told my car doesn't count because its not a "real" S30 ...... After excepting that as their opinion, I just get on with enjoying it. That is why I bought it in the first place.

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WOW! We're REALLY down a wormhole here...I thought forums were about celebrating our mutual love for the cars we drive. I've lost track of your posts, but thank you at  least for helping to clarify the definition of a HAKOSUKA "clone."

Mine: The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside.

Yours: "If it's a "clone" (actually, merely a lookalike despite your exhortations...) of anything then it's a clone of a KPGC10 GT-R."

You said the exact same thing, just with more pomp and circumstance. Anyone else who's actually following this now absurd thread that started with me simply looking for a series 1 Z  (which I happily found) can Google "HAKOSUKA clone for sale" and see exactly what we're both talking about. 

As for the degeneration of the rest of your posts, from "your 'Hako' appears to be a (very nice!) GT-R lookalike" to your diatribe about why I'm not a purist, etc., I'll take the high road and end the discussion about anybody's personal knowledge, cars, etc, here.

What I've always liked most about driving and collecting Datsuns and Nissans is the people I've made personal connections with along the way. So my early experiment with internet posts/forums just proves to me why I've stayed away from them in the first place. Great if you're looking for that rare OEM part, not so much for having friendly conversations. If you weren't across the pond and we met face to face at a car meet, we would have probably shared a cup of tea and swapped stories about the history of our cars with mutual respect...I'm glad you like the PAO, but at the end of the day, couldn't care less about your opinion of my cars. So don't worry about any insults, none taken...

I've only been able to spend this much time posting as I'm at home recovering from a thumb surgery...so I'm over and out. Thanks to those of you who were welcoming. HS30-H, I wish you all the best admiring your own collection (no pictures necessary); I'm going to get back to driving mine with my boys as soon as my hand is working again ;) 

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Well I sure hope that you are not over and out, but the above exchange unfortunately reinforces why you've stayed away to date.  Sad.   :(

Ever read the joke about how many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?

Come to Zcon Atlanta in late summer. It's not that far from you and I'd be happy to share tea and stories. I suspect my stories are much less interesting though. They usually involve something stupid I did...

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This is a specialist forum. Those sailing blithely into such waters might be well advised to pay attention to the charts. 'Here be Monsters'.
  "...and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia..." was perhaps - in retrospect - a little unwise, don't you think?

What are you saying? Am I not welcome here because I’m only a 30 year Z owner driver and part time mechanic??!!!!!!


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1 hour ago, 7tooZ said:


What are you saying? Am I not welcome here because I’m only a 30 year Z owner driver and part time mechanic??!!!!!!
 

Of course you're welcome.  Just heed his warning that "Here be Monsters" and be sure to always check under the bed and keep your lights on at night.  Thin skinned be warned!

Dennis

 

 

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On 1/28/2018 at 1:21 PM, pazt2prezent said:

I am looking for a stock survivor/restoration series 1 240Z with matching #'s, preferably grade 4 or 5, to add to my collection of Datsuns/Nissans that ranges from a 67.5 2000 Roadster to modern NISMOs.  It's a missing piece in the garage. Documentation is a must and I am willing to pay for quality. I am not looking for a project car, rather one that presents as it should for grade and drives just as well. I live in Florida, but have a network of enthusiast friends/collectors across the country who can inspect/test drive on my behalf and can travel for the right car. I know it is difficult to part with these cars, but I can ensure it would be going to a good home where it will be loved by myself, sons, and generations to come. Respectfully...

 

Back on topic - Hagerty uses 1,2,3,4 with #1 being the best.  What would a grade 4 or 5 be?

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1971-datsun-240z

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6 hours ago, pazt2prezent said:

WOW! We're REALLY down a wormhole here...I thought forums were about celebrating our mutual love for the cars we drive. I've lost track of your posts, but thank you at  least for helping to clarify the definition of a HAKOSUKA "clone."

Mine: The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside.

Yours: "If it's a "clone" (actually, merely a lookalike despite your exhortations...) of anything then it's a clone of a KPGC10 GT-R."

You said the exact same thing, just with more pomp and circumstance. Anyone else who's actually following this now absurd thread that started with me simply looking for a series 1 Z  (which I happily found) can Google "HAKOSUKA clone for sale" and see exactly what we're both talking about. 

As for the degeneration of the rest of your posts, from "your 'Hako' appears to be a (very nice!) GT-R lookalike" to your diatribe about why I'm not a purist, etc., I'll take the high road and end the discussion about anybody's personal knowledge, cars, etc, here.

 

Two things: First of all, you wrote "HAKO clone" and THAT is what I initially corrected (in a fairly friendly manner, I believe). It was your response to that correction which got us off on the wrong foot (especially your "...for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia." comment). Don't try to move the goalposts by changing it to "Hakosuka "clone"", as that is a whole other scenario.

It's really simple, isn't it? Your car cannot be a "HAKO clone" (ie, a clone of a Hakosuka) because it is always has been a 'Hakosuka' Skyline. Your car is simply a lesser model dolled up (or down, if you prefer) to look like a GT-R. Why not just admit that fact? All the smoke, mirrors and cod justification takes away from what I'm sure is a very nice car. Just be real about what you've got. As I said before, if you don't like it then you should have bought a real GT-R in the first place.

Secondly, you have to expect to get some if you give some. Whining about forums as though you are somehow above them, whilst making use of one for your particular requirements, is - again! - delicious irony. For the record, if we met face to face and you told me your car is a "HAKO clone" I'd do the same as I've done here and correct you. I'd correct you on all the other stuff you came out with about Sport Corner, NISMO, the GT-Kai emblem and your inference that we are Wikipedia-referencing neophytes too. It might be interesting to share a cup of tea with a self-professed "purist" though. Most of the car people I hang around with would rather claim to be pragmatists...    

    
 

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21 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

It's Mike's site and he said "Datsun/Nissan" Z car.  That takes the category all the way to 1978.

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Your point being what, exactly?

If people are telling our fellow member EuroDat that his HLS30 Datsun 280Z "is not a real S30" then they are clearly wrong. We should all rail against such ignorance and attempt to correct it if we have the opportunity.

Let me at 'em...

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Oh, and you are 'Cruisin' Cars Inc.' - right?

Was that early bird for your 'collection', or for your inventory...?

 

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I've had a thought, which I think is reasonable.  Mike could create a new sub-forum, maybe call it The Purist Zone, where the purists can have their discussions and share their knowledge.  Then, instead of interjecting when somebody says something impure, the purist can simply provide a link to the new sub-forum. "We've clarified that situation here - link" or something similar.

The sub-forum could even be "no holds (words) barred" for the members that really want to make their point, or just simply do word battles.

@Mike Mike-san, what do you think?  It would contain much of the vitriol and people could enter at their own risk.  You might have to disable the feature that shows the first few lines of the posts though, just to keep it off of the front page.

Most of these big arguments come from members trying to control the site to their liking.  Maybe we just need more choices.

Edit - forgot to say that I do enjoy learning about the histories of the cars and their features but just don't like to read all of the extra stuff that often goes along with it.  Let's give it a special place.

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8 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

Most of these big arguments come from members trying to control the site to their liking.

A quote for posterity from one of the very people who try to do just that very thing...

Presumably you think irony is the hot thing the laundry uses on your shirts.

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I posted a clip from Mike's welcome in #36.  I'm trying to follow Mike's guide.  I do like the way the site is intended to be, so by definition trying to control it to Mike's liking is the same as controlling it to my liking.

You're trying to hold everyone to the purists' values.  You would be much freeer in the new sub-forum.  You're welcome.

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That is a point well taken and worth clarifying! Grade 1-5 is used in the Japanese auctions/import market, with the higher number denoting the better car, when the inspector marks his sheet...perhaps appropriately the "reverse" of Hagerty's scale since the steering wheels are on the other side ;) I was lucky to find the car I was looking for through a friend of a friend that hit the number I was looking for by either rating system...my brain has been in RHD mode lately with the PAO and, to be very precise and pragmatic, my modified GT-X HAKOSUKA. LOL

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I literally can't keep up at this point...my last response to HS30-H,  simply to prevent any misinformation regarding my friends...the Olympics are on for goodness sakes...something that brings us all together? 

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2 hours ago, pazt2prezent said:

The T-Bird was a (very sweet) customer's car...now I'm pretty sure we're WAY off topic and I'll be more careful about what's in the background of any pictures I post...you're digging hard reading door shop stickers in the background!

It's your thread, we can take it any where you want. Can't high jack your own thread!

you will find that almost all of the regulars here are good people and very observant of the details!!!

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1 hour ago, grannyknot said:

That's a good idea ZH, ..... but then it would only have one member.

Actually, I was serious.  There should be a separation between the hobbyists and modifiers like us, and the collectors, who appreciate the originality and provenance of the "marque".

Those who want to enjoy a mellow conversation can do that, and those who want to do battle with words can do their thing.  Each to his own.

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I see you are in my neck of the woods, if you get down my way (Orlando) let me know, can talk about Z's go for a ride in my 280.

My handle is "Dave WM"

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Hey guys, I just reviewed this thread because it was reported to me.  There were a few violations of the rules, but, most of it was on topic.  One thing I ask is that you please try to be civil with each other as if you were standing in the same room.  I am not going to go through and give violations this evening because I think you can figure out how and when you can be good to each other.  The main objective of our club is to help others and collect information for the car.  Debates can sometimes get heated, so I trust that you guys can keep it civil.  We can only survive this modern world of media websites if we do these things..  We need people and a welcoming environment for all..  Thanks guys.

Mike

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Never mind.  And you may find yourself in a beautiful house...

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