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[SOLD] WTB Stock Series 1 240Z

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I am looking for a stock survivor/restoration series 1 240Z with matching #'s, preferably grade 4 or 5, to add to my collection of Datsuns/Nissans that ranges from a 67.5 2000 Roadster to modern NISMOs.  It's a missing piece in the garage. Documentation is a must and I am willing to pay for quality. I am not looking for a project car, rather one that presents as it should for grade and drives just as well. I live in Florida, but have a network of enthusiast friends/collectors across the country who can inspect/test drive on my behalf and can travel for the right car. I know it is difficult to part with these cars, but I can ensure it would be going to a good home where it will be loved by myself, sons, and generations to come. Respectfully...

 

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Let me get this right.  The 240z is the LAST car to add to your Datsun collection?

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I hope not :) ...was just a missing piece among other Z's and friends. Have a '72 240, but not a series 1...actually found what I was looking for this week and planned to take the WTB down...

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12 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

@pazt2prezent  Well now that you're here, don't go away. Stick around. You might like it here!

And... Pics or it didn't happen!   LOL    Let's see some shots of the new addition!

Yes pics or it didn’t happen. 

Captain, isn’t it written in the forum rules somewhere?  

We need to validate it. Your new 240z could be an ‘92 Buick. 

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3 minutes ago, 87mj said:

isn’t it written in the forum rules somewhere?

Absolutely! You can't come in here dropping it that you've got a collection from Roadsters to modern NISMOs, and expect to get away without pics. Just isn't right!  There are rules you know!

That's just cruel!   Haha!!   LOL

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I have an unmolested Nov 1969 240z with original glass, odd plastic near-prototype  parts that I plan to sell in 2019 on the 50th anniversary.

 

It is also in the designer's favourite colour.

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39 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

I have an unmolested Nov 1969 240z with original glass, odd plastic near-prototype  parts that I plan to sell in 2019 on the 50th anniversary.

 

It is also in the designer's favourite colour.

Wow, also it should be a crime to not post pictures:)

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Forgive the transgression...haven't had much extra free time...a few of the friends...

- late series 1 71 survivor, single owner, stored for >20 years, documented to the sales order for the car

- #22 NISMO and '72 240 before the later was gutted for RB25 swap

- 67.5 2000 - #585

- 72 HAKO clone with 3.0L L28

- 77 620 king cab awaiting VQ40 swap from a 2012 Frontier

- '89 PAO

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Information regarding other parties inadvertently revealed in photos

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Thanks! Was a rookie mistake ;) Hope to have my 10 year project '72 240 RB swap done this year...will be sure to share picts then...you have to forgive the crummy paint job on the 620...it's the raw material for the future beauty!

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Don't sell yourself short. I don't see anything in those pics that I wouldn't want to own myself. Even in current condition.

Thanks for sharing!  :)

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is the '71 in 905 red and factory paint?  It looked like it had 20 years of dust on it so the paint must be factory?  I have always wanted a car with the factory paint.

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15 hours ago, pazt2prezent said:

- 72 HAKO clone with 3.0L L28

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My OCD compels me to point out that every C10-series Skyline is a 'Hako'. The vernacular 'Hakosuka' applies to the whole series, no matter what variant. It's either a Hokosuka or it isn't. Your 'Hako' appears to be a (very nice!) GT-R lookalike. There. Said it. And breathe...

Love the Pao!

 

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I see you're a supporting member, and I'm glad to hear you survived the semantics of my shorthand. As a Japanese speaker myself who lives and breathes these cars, and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia, "HAKOSUKA" is slang and a transliteration in KATAKANA for "boxy Skyline" as a reference to the shape of the car before the "KENMERI"  body style which followed (also a transliteration from "Ken & Mary," the American couple featured in the add campaign for the then new series). The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside, that there's no original S20 under the hood...in this case a more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time. Unless you spotted differences on interior trim and seats, you'd have no idea what drove by you (quickly). I'm a purist, so mine wears a GT-"KAI" badge (hard to see in the picture), with KAI being the KANJI for "modified."  The round emblem is from Nissan's Sport Corner, the birthplace/predecessor of NISMO.

 

The nit picking is one of the things that bothers me about forums and why I haven't been active previously. I was asked to share picts of my other cars and I did. Give the new guy a break. I'll stick to my Z's only going forward...

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Thankfully there is only a small amount of nit-picking here. Don't think too much of it. I've found this to be a friendly group.

Other members of the Datsun/Nissan family are absolutely welcome too! I look forward to hearing more of your input in the future.

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Ah, you've taken my correction as some kind of insult I see.

Sorry but, as the owner of a genuine KPGC10,  I have to stick up for what's right. The term "Hako clone" means only one thing to me, and in you car's case it is clearly inappropriate. Your car left the factory as a C10-series Skyline and it is still a C10-series Skyline. It's left the factory as a 'Hakosuka' and it is still a 'Hakosuka'. If it's a "clone" (actually, merely a lookalike despite your exhortations...) of anything then it's a clone of a KPGC10 GT-R.

If you see this as nothing more than "nit picking" then you should probably have bought a genuine KPGC10 in the first place. 

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16 minutes ago, HS30-H said:

Sorry but, as the owner of a genuine KPGC10,  I have to stick up for what's right.

Actually, you don't "have to".  That seems to be where most of your problems start on this forum.  Your definition of "right" is not quite right.

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I see you're a supporting member, and I'm glad to hear you survived the semantics of my shorthand. As a Japanese speaker myself who lives and breathes these cars, and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia, "HAKOSUKA" is slang and a transliteration in KATAKANA for "boxy Skyline" as a reference to the shape of the car before the "KENMERI"  body style which followed (also a transliteration from "Ken & Mary," the American couple featured in the add campaign for the then new series). The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside, that there's no original S20 under the hood...in this case a more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time. Unless you spotted differences on interior trim and seats, you'd have no idea what drove by you (quickly). I'm a purist, so mine wears a GT-"KAI" badge (hard to see in the picture), with KAI being the KANJI for "modified."  The round emblem is from Nissan's Sport Corner, the birthplace/predecessor of NISMO.
 
The nit picking is one of the things that bothers me about forums and why I haven't been active previously. I was asked to share picts of my other cars and I did. Give the new guy a break. I'll stick to my Z's only going forward...

I love it when informed people know what and how they want it then go out and do it. Can’t wait to hear more about your cars.


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4 hours ago, pazt2prezent said:

I see you're a supporting member, and I'm glad to hear you survived the semantics of my shorthand. As a Japanese speaker myself who lives and breathes these cars, and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia, "HAKOSUKA" is slang and a transliteration in KATAKANA for "boxy Skyline" as a reference to the shape of the car before the "KENMERI"  body style which followed (also a transliteration from "Ken & Mary," the American couple featured in the add campaign for the then new series). The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside, that there's no original S20 under the hood...in this case a more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time. Unless you spotted differences on interior trim and seats, you'd have no idea what drove by you (quickly). I'm a purist, so mine wears a GT-"KAI" badge (hard to see in the picture), with KAI being the KANJI for "modified."  The round emblem is from Nissan's Sport Corner, the birthplace/predecessor of NISMO.

Forgot to say, this is some good new information.  At least I've never heard it before.  The Kenmeri story especially.  Kenmeri sounds so exotic and racy, but it's just Ken and Mary.  Funny.

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7 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Actually, you don't "have to".  That seems to be where most of your problems start on this forum.  Your definition of "right" is not quite right.

If I have any "problems" on this forum it'll be with people who don't understand the difference between fact and fiction. You now seem to be supporting the idea of fiction as fact. You're backing the wrong horse.

The car in question was being described as a "HAKO clone" when the truth is that it left the factory as a C10-series Skyline, and the vernacular 'Hakosuka' applies to ALL C10-series Skylines - regardless of model variant. He is misusing the term. Try describing a 1970 HLS30U as a "Series 1 240Z clone" and see what happens. People will - inevitably - point out the it can't be a "Series 1 240Z clone" when it already IS a 'Series 1 240Z'. That's what we are dealing with here.

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11 hours ago, pazt2prezent said:

The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside, that there's no original S20 under the hood...in this case a more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time. Unless you spotted differences on interior trim and seats, you'd have no idea what drove by you (quickly). I'm a purist, so mine wears a GT-"KAI" badge (hard to see in the picture), with KAI being the KANJI for "modified."  The round emblem is from Nissan's Sport Corner, the birthplace/predecessor of NISMO.

How does any of the above make the term "HAKO clone" appropriate? It's a misnomer when applied to any C10-series Skyline, because ALL C10-series Skylines are - by definition - 'Hakosuka' Skylines.

Your "more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time" raised a smile here. What "time" are we talking about? Nobody was putting modified L28 engines into C10-series Skylines whilst they were still in production. That's a phenomenon that didn't really get going until the late 1970s, and even then sparsely and in semi-legal street car culture - not racing. Most cars like yours are fairly recent confections which - let's be honest here - bask in the reflected glory of what the GT-R models achieved and signified in period (ie, when they were still in production), and are based on - again, let's be honest about it - models with no real sporting heritage of their own.

Calling yourself a "purist" in the same sentence where you explain your 'GT-Kai' emblem is deliciously ironic. Those 'GT-Kai' emblems are another recent phenomenon, produced in response to exactly the kind of gentle correction I made when I pointed out that the term "HAKO clone" makes no logical sense. GT-R owners have been ribbing the owners of wannabes and lookalikes for years, telling them to take the GT-R emblems off their dolled-up shopping cars. The 'GT-Kai' emblems are an in-joke that goes way over the heads of many. I've even seen a magazine article written by a journalist who believed the 'GT-Kai' was a legitimate factory variant. I can't help thinking that any self-respecting "purist" would balk at the idea of a GT-X having its surflines cut off to become another GT-R lookalike, but there you go...  

There's some irony in your car wearing a 'Sport Corner' badge too. See that big 'R' in the middle of it? It represents the GT-R models which the Nissan Prince Tokyo Sport Corner dealership specialised in selling and servicing. Your car - being a lesser model - would have been sold in an ordinary dealership, and if you had taken it to Nissan Prince Tokyo Sport Corner for servicing they would have told you to take it elsewhere. Politely, I'm sure. Meanwhile, back here in 2018, there are owners of cars which were sold and serviced by Sport Corner dealers in period who are taking their Sport Corner stickers off of their cars, because too many of the wannabe cars are wearing them. There's a nice in-joke variant - produced recently - with a big letter 'L' in the middle. It might suit your car.

While I'm at it, let's get the heritage of NISMO correct shall we? What became NISMO in 1984 was previously two distinct branches of Nissan's motorsport-related activities - essentially the artists formerly known as Prince (based at Murayama) and Nissan's own Works outfit (based at Oppama). The Omori, Tokyo base of the newly-named NISMO was previously known as 'Nissan Omori Works' and was nothing to do with the main Nissan Prince Tokyo 'Sport Corner' dealership. They were two quite distinct entities and existed, until quite recently, in parallel. Nissan Prince Tokyo didn't beget NISMO. 

My KPGC10 was rebuilt by an ex Nissan Prince Tokyo Sport Corner staff member, so I know a little bit about the subject.

     

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