Mike

Oh man I am SO sorry to see this happen to such a good looking car! You must have been pretty upset at the shop. Even though they likely paid for it, this beautiful classic is gone. Hope you find a good replacement soon.

I'll get right on that...

Hi Gary, Sounds good my friend. I hope that something useful happened with this discussion. Apologies that your thread was hijacked, but, this is how trending topics go. Your post made it beyond the tipping point.. Mike

Insurance would pay for it, otherwise I wouldn't be driving the priceless classic. Every stick built home I've purchased has a tax bill and deed that mentions each entity separately. Take a look at your taxes and you'll see what I'm talking about. If you tried tearing down a house, and building a new one, your mortgage lender has an agreement that requires the entire balance paid in full. Yes, I'm sure most everyone else is tired too. I'm unsure what this discussion accomplished, other than confirming VIN modification is a very confusing topic. All I know is that I would NEVER buy a car that has VIN problems like the ones we discussed above. On a Z, the VIN is engraved into the unibody (the frame). IF that doesn't match the title in hand, my recommendation is to walk away from the deal.

If it's priceless, I would repair it to maintain the matching serial numbers. Since the accident was caused by someone else, they will be paying the bill. The shell is a vital part to a numbers matching (priceless) vehicle. Other parts of the car, hood, windshield, doors, can be changed but if they are original the value would be higher. If you are talking about value, the estimator will establish what is correct. If you're talking law, it's the DMV. A house typically sits on land, which are shown as two different entities on your deed. It's much different than a title to a car. Now, if you're talking about a house and changing the windows, for instance, this would be a better example. In many cases, swapping the windows on a house will increase the value. But if you demolish a house, the possession certainly changes. You now become a landowner until the new house is built and a new deed can be created. You likely didn't tell them that it now has a new frame and body. Legally, it's rolling around on an old VIN that needs to be approved by your local DMV. They have processes to follow to maintain legal status. I've seen some crazy stuff happen with people who import vehicles with mismatching VIN's and they've had to send the cars back. m

Here's a legal document from the feds on this issue. See section 565. This was in the useless links I shared earlier... CFR-2005-title49-vol6-subtitleB.pdf

Dude, now I know you're trolling... Let's get back to the original question. Should this guy be concerned if the sheriff and the appraiser told him to ignore the frame VIN? If he has paperwork to back this up, he may be fine. But, I would definitely look at making the papers match the registration as much as possible. Even if it's to make the selling process work out better in the end. I know I wouldn't buy a car that has a different frame VIN.

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/buying-selling/vin.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number https://www.dmv.org/vehicle-history/vhr-reveals.php They all state the VIN must match the registration. In the case of lazy workers, they may simply look at the VIN on the door. But a deeper reveal may indicate some kind of fraud if the VIN on the frame is different than the registration paperwork.

@tzagi1 the US has different DMV laws depending on the state. However, most states agree that a VIN is assigned to the frame of a production car. In the case of a Z, the VIN is assigned to the unibody. Legally, the registration will need to change VIN numbers if you change the body.

Hi @70 Fairlady Z, your new club is set up. Next step is to invite members to the club. You can see members and other features by using tabs just below your logo header. I am typing this message in the topic area I created. You can also add new features such as a calendar to the club by clicking "Manage Club" from the first page (right side). Let me know if you need any help! Mike

Ya both holidays are so close together it can be an interesting time of year.

Ah yes of course, we seem to forget that other countries don't have the same holidays. I was just in China and Japan and they don't really celebrate other than enjoying the time they don't have to talk with me on the phone (work)... haha

Happy Thanksgiving! Hope all of you are enjoying a few days off to be with family or simply enjoy the season...

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Good topic. From what I've experienced, Facebook is designed mainly for social activity. They are funded by selling your information and usage statistics to other companies and advertising. It's designed mainly for social activities and short-term (surface level) gain. Forums used to focus on social activity, but the big guys have given this to the masses. Since this shift has occurred, the forum sites have moved to long-term support, deeper relationships, and archival for the community. At one time I worried about the social media sites, but, now I am glad they have taken all the riff-raff and so we get to focus on more important issues. Facebook does have its place, of course. It just doesn't work for a car club, other than announcing events and keeping in touch. If you want a deep relationship and real help, join the forum. Mike

Buy and drive it, my friend. Not sure how much you'd get on the flip, but, this is a car that you could pick up for $1,500-$2,000 and enjoy. Do the checks to make sure it's mechanically sound, of course.

Yep, that cork would cause some cooling problems. I was going to suggest a new radiator.

@ramsesosirus, that is some serious Halloweening !! I bet this setup looked great at night with all the lights on. We take our son out every year and just love to see how imaginative people can be with their homes... BTW, that clown is freaky as hell..

Wow that looks pretty damn nice! I'm glad to see a classic Datsun at the SEMA show, wow!!!

Happy Halloween!!!

Hi Diego, a blown engine would have blue smoke if oil is getting into the cylinders. Have you run a compression check on it?

Hey guys, I'm not so sure he's a bot or troll... could be someone not so good with the mobile keyboard or even typing in english.

Hot damn! Man, I didn't even realize it. I thought he was cracking an old man joke (which certainly applies)... Thanks guys!!! m

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Looks like they have it already organized. I'd be curious to know if it works or looks aftermarket. Anyone going to take the plunge and give it a try? Looks like it's around $22 bucks.. https://www.liftsupportsdepot.com/shopby/1971/nissan/240z/base/ m