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6 hours ago, Zed Head said:

You're saying that a 1973 240Z has the same value as 1970 240Z?  That if you had a 73 you'd trade it straight across for a 70?  Because they both say 240Z on the outside.

Trying to use those played out memes will drag you in to absurdity.  Be careful.

I think you missed the point @Zed HeadI wasn't talking about value but the name of the car on the the actual car. My 1970 and 1973 cars both say Datsun 240Z. Neither has a Nissan or S30 badge at all. What they are worth is what someone is willing to pay if I put them up for sale.

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9 minutes ago, zspert said:

This reproduction ID plate is a MESS! Just look at the type style, etc. Nissan Motor Corp wouldn't have found it acceptable for the Z Store program.

The point of my post was to show the word Nissan and S30 were on both cars mentioned, not to sell a shoddy plate. I just grabbed the first picture that came up on eBay. 

If someone was looking for a plate I would send them your way no question. 

 

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10 hours ago, SpeedRoo said:

Neither has a Nissan or S30 badge at all. 

I quote the same line from your post "at all"  

Of course the 240s had a 240Z badge for 4.5 years, and the 260 had a 260Z badge for 1 year, and again the 280 had a 280Z badge for 4 years. 

The ZX had 280ZX badges until 82 I think then it said Datsun by Nissan, on the outside badge. It has always been Nissan Motor Co. 

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Added a whole year and a half to the 240
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6 hours ago, Zed Head said:

$12,300, RNM.  Presentation is key on BAT.  The seller did a not-so-good job.  

Agreed, more pics would have helped raise the price. Wonder if $15k would have bought it.

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13 hours ago, HS30-H said:

"Woke police". LOL. This from the guy who claims to have never heard of one of America's greatest automotive authors.

I'm talking about situations where the whole is being talked about, but the specific is being used.

For example, a book published regarding the 'Maru Z', '270 Kaihatsu Kigou' project; The genesis, planning, design, engineering and putting-into-production of the whole S30-series range as seen at launch (S30, S30-S, PS30, PS30-SB, HLS30U, HLS30, HS30U etc etc) being titled 'Datsun 240Z Engineering Development'.

See? Probably not...

Happens all the time. Probably whizzes way over your head.

S30 series is S30, even with all the different versions of it. A factory designation for a chassis series. Then came the S130.

You are making a way to big thing of this

 

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On 9/9/2022 at 7:31 PM, Zed Head said:

The answer is probably in the Owner Manuals.  There is a separate one for 1971 and 1970.  If the Owner Manuals are identical then the cars are probably identical.  The Owner Manual features should match the car.

It's really just stuff the BAT seller should have done.  Sellers need to understand the potential customers.

https://www.classiczcars.com/files/category/17-owner-manuals/

They show a 1970 manual but who knows where they got it.

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It's a 70 according to the door tag, sold in 71, titled in 71.

 

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On 9/10/2022 at 9:14 AM, dutchzcarguy said:

No no... zedhead.. this is a feb (2) 1970's car were some moron thought i put a one (1) in front of it, while the plate is ON the car..  (would be spectacular when someone finds out the laquer under the plate is damaged only were the 1 has been hamered into it!)  

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BTW... I'm just kidding... or AM I??  :omg:  I ask myself: Are there more people with such a strange fat 1 in front of a "normal thin "1" or "2" ?

It could be, but also not. Those tag plates where made in mass for 69/70/71 etc, then a stamping machine put the serie number and month into it. ( or it could be done by hand, maybe Kats knows this )

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7 hours ago, Terrapin Z said:

Of course the 240s had a 240Z badge for 3 years, and the 260 had a 260Z badge for 1 year, and again the 280 had a 280Z badge for 4 years. 

 

Um, the 240Z was made for 4 years, not 3.

1970

1971

1972

1973

 

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2 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

S30 series is S30, even with all the different versions of it. A factory designation for a chassis series. Then came the S130.

You are making a way to big thing of this

 

Hmmm. Yes, S30-series is S30-series, but maybe you are forgetting (or didn't understand?) the point made previously; that 'S30' is both the series designator AND the chassis prefix for the 'base' models - S30-D 'Nissan Fairlady Z-L' and S30-S 'Fairlady Z'?

And this whole line of conversation sprang from people trying to make sense of the 'Series 1', 'Series 1.5', 'Series 2' et al vernacular terms and the continuing confusion between 'Model Year' and manufacturing date. Yet that is all - largely - a local, North American phenomenon. The point being made was that 'Series 1' etc is probably not a judicious choice of retrospective denomination when the factory had already used it...

Nobody, nobody!, even the "woke police" (pfft...) is telling you that you can't call your 'Datsun 240Z' a 'Datsun 240Z', or your 'Datsun 260Z' a 'Datsun 260Z'.  

 

Meanwhile people will - I guarantee! - continue to use the term '240Z' to describe a whole family of S30-series variants being conceived in 1967, designed and engineered through 1968, then produced and finally put on sale in 1969.

A tap on the shoulder from the Z Police would then be in order...

Police HS30.jpg

 

 

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1 hour ago, dutchzcarguy said:

In the states? Yes but in europe it was for sale in late 1974 untill in 1979 the 280zx came.. we never had a 280z..  (Ofcourse you guys now going to say the 280zx came in 1978 but it was here more 1979.. haha)

Haha this is funny, cause it's confusing my dad all the time. In his memory he makes the 280ZX the 280Z. Then I tell him there never was a 280Z here haha.  Alot of people confuse the 280Z and ZX cause the name 280.. I think

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3 hours ago, HS30-H said:

And this whole line of conversation sprang from people trying to make sense of the 'Series 1', 'Series 1.5', 'Series 2' et al vernacular terms and the continuing confusion between 'Model Year' and manufacturing date. Yet that is all - largely - a local, North American phenomenon. The point being made was that 'Series 1' etc is probably not a judicious choice of retrospective denomination when the factory had already used it...

 

 

 

 

Yes...

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20 hours ago, Zed Head said:

This modified 71 is probably going to outdo the "early 71 Series I" 240Z.  It has fender flares!  Eeeewww....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-datsun-240z-231/

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This one is already up to $15,000.  Funny though, the guy has been driving it with no air filters.  Had the carbs rebuilt, just never put the filters back on. 

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21 hours ago, Zed Head said:

$12,300, RNM.  Presentation is key on BAT.  The seller did a not-so-good job.  

The car had a huge bash in the left front fender!  What was the seller thinking?!?!!!  He should have taken the money and run.

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