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I Buy mine at amazon.com.  find the cheapest with the most stars. For me I decided on Exedy kit for $100.  Read what's included,  some are cheaper because the throw out bearing is sold separately and the bronze shaft bearing too. My machinist charged me $40 to resurface my flywheel.  It was blue from getting too hot.  Yours may not need it but you won't know until you see it.  I know money's tight but changing the transmission fluid at the same time is good.  It only holds a couple of quarts I think.

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I'm sorry for not reading all the post but what makes you think you need a new clutch?  I've worn them so bad they wouldn't make it out of the driveway. LOL

If it's hard to get in gear it may be the slave cylinder is not extending with the proper force.  Maybe just air in the line or a bad slave cylinder?  

If it's slipping is it persistent or when you first leave out?   Maybe a little oil leaking down on it?

What sucks is the only way to know if it's worn is measure the depth around the rivets on the friction disc and it has to be taken out to do that.  These cars are great when they're right! but bad when they aren't. 

Best wishes for you and Redbird, Cliff.

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Site...

Greg (gwri8) drove her and told me that was what the problem is.  

I've never driven a car that the clutch is going out, so I had no idea what the problem was.  

Thank you,

Jai

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Lumens,

All I can say is that gwri8 and SteveJ have both opened the distributor and seen in it.  

No comments were made, mentioning if it is a Federal or not.  I personally do not know.

Jai

 

 

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7 hours ago, Lumens said:

I do have another idea. Has anyone looked.

Is her distributor the Federal model with the dual pick-ups under the cap?

Yes, we looked.

No, it isn't.

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Ok, if that is the case then Jai you have a California model 280Z.

According to the 75 - 76 280Z FSM, Federal had dual pick-ups and California only had the single pick up.

This is a bit confusing as Jai said it was purchased new in Kansas and not in California.

Now I need to look into that. I am going with ignition since it reacts as if you just shut off the key.

 

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16 hours ago, Lumens said:

Ok, if that is the case then Jai you have a California model 280Z.

According to the 75 - 76 280Z FSM, Federal had dual pick-ups and California only had the single pick up.

This is a bit confusing as Jai said it was purchased new in Kansas and not in California.

Now I need to look into that. I am going with ignition since it reacts as if you just shut off the key.

 

Sorry you have a bit of misinformation.  The car was bought new in Scottsdale  Arizona.   It appears she does not have a catalytic converter tho.

Thank you for your interest and help.

Jai

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22 hours ago, Lumens said:

 

 I am going with ignition since it reacts as if you just shut off the key.

 

 That's my gut feeling too.

 @gwri8 Previously you said that RedBird shut down as if the key was turned off. No stutter or misfiring from the engine. When it restarted did it run fine?

@Redwing Is there any regularity in the dying. I'm thinking that it's occurred often enough that you may be getting a feel for when it will happen? Does it ALWAYS occur when the engine is warm? Or when it's been raining?

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Mark, no clue when it is going to shut off.  Cruising along, and suddenly losing speed.  Thanks tho.

Yes it never stops when it is cold.  Not sure about the rain aspect, I don't drive her in the rain.   

Jai

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1 hour ago, Redwing said:

Mark, no clue when it is going to shut off.  Cruising along, and suddenly losing speed.  

 

Jai

 

Can you be more specific? Getting mixed messages here. Loosing speed or shutting off as in key off?

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1 hour ago, Lumens said:

 

Can you be more specific? Getting mixed messages here. Loosing speed or shutting off as in key off?

Sorry.  Yes suddenly losing speed, then is when I realized she was running as if key were off.  Suddenly shutting off, a short time later I realized I was coasting only.

Sorry I had not made that clear.

Thanks,

Jai

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Good morning all,

Redbird has been sitting all this time.  Now that my social security will be coming tomorrow, I'm going to check if I can eek the parts for the clutch out of it.  I have a small surplus in it this month due to me buying one of Deanna's meds last month.  I have decided to try to go with the Exedy kit.  Several have mentioned it is a good kit.  Thank all of you for giving me information, it helps me a lot when I am so unknowledgeable about it, and other things.

Hopefully RB will be done soon, so I can join Site at the car show April 1.  Yayyy...

Jai

 

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On 2/20/2017 at 10:26 PM, siteunseen said:

I Buy mine at amazon.com.  find the cheapest with the most stars. For me I decided on Exedy kit for $100.  Read what's included,  some are cheaper because the throw out bearing is sold separately and the bronze shaft bearing too. My machinist charged me $40 to resurface my flywheel.  It was blue from getting too hot.  Yours may not need it but you won't know until you see it.  I know money's tight but changing the transmission fluid at the same time is good.  It only holds a couple of quarts I think.

Hi Site,

I'm wanting to get the clutch kit ordered asap.  Today I verified with Pete, the mechanic to do the work, that he will do it and allow me to pay as I can.  He is real agreeable, said to call when the parts are here.  I want to check with you to see if this kit from Amazon is complete for the job, as you had advised me to make sure.  

The kit I'm looking at is:

"Exedy kit on Amazon, after typing in my car info (1976 Datsun 280 Z), was the first one listed.      EXEDY 06009 OEM Replacement Clutch Kit"

I also asked Pete about the flywheel, and he said it is up to me, but a good idea to do it if it needs it.  So I asked "but if it goes bad not too long after the clutch is done, that would make it prudent to work on it now while already into the clutch, right?"  He agreed, saying it would be an extra $30 - 40, tagged onto the clutch bill, but no problem.  So he is going to decide after looking at it, while already into the clutch, and will go from there.  

Please get back with me about this clutch kit, I want to order it at the latest tomorrow.  Need to get on with this job.  I'm going to lose the SUV my son lent me any day now, it is one of his work trucks for his surveying.

Thank you,

Jai

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Exedy is a good brand of clutch. They are an OEM supplier to many car brands. Daiken is the parent company, have been around for a long time  and they make very good products. When my engine was rebuilt the engine builder put in an Exedy OEM clutch kit. I was very pleased when I saw the Daiken manufacturing stamps. You should have no worries there. 

 

Edit: Daiken/Exedy clutch plates are a nice upgrade from the factory disc. Ventilated and with better materials than the stock disc. fair amount of metallic particles in the disc. This is good for longevity and they will take a lot of abuse.

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Hey Jai.

I have that clutch kit in both my Zs and very satisfied with it's grip and release.  It has everything needed, a complete kit 100%. The friction disc, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bushing.  Also an alignment tool which is very helpful when getting it all bolted up.  I paid $40 for flywheel resurfacing.  Luckily I had the extra money because it wasn't absolutely necessary.  Pete can make the call once he sees yours.  If you ride the clutch or burn them on hills with red lights he'll see the blueish color tell signs from heat.  They need to be a little rough for the friction disc to be able to grab.  Burnt flywheels are too slick from what I know and maybe suspect to slipping.

I put that clutch on my first rebuild without researching, just the reviews I read on amazon.com.  My second rebuild I installed a lightweight quick spin-up aluminum flywheel.  I asked the forum's advice and Leon V, an automotive engineer, also recommended that kit.  Exedy is an original equipment supplier for a bunch of car makes.  I think you'll be very happy with it. :)

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Just now, siteunseen said:

20170303_180745.jpgOh yeah, Buddy says hey!

 

Love him!  He has grown up to a very handsome boy!.....

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Thanks for all the solid response about the Exedy clutch kit.  It will be ordered in the morning, hopefully here by Tuesday or Wednesday.   I'll  keep everyone posted as to what's going on.  

Yayyyyy......

Jai

 

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11 minutes ago, Redwing said:

Love him!  He has grown up to a very handsome boy!.....

That chew toy in his mouth was almost a foot long two days ago.  I sleep with a chastity belt on. ROFL

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Just now, siteunseen said:

That chew toy in his mouth was almost a foot long two days ago.  I sleep with a chastity belt on. ROFL

Ahhh, I take it that he has transferred his chewing onto objects of his eye, and off your house?  Good trade!

You silly goose...

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A window sill can be replaced, not my doodle. 

He's so much different personality than Jelly was.  Took some getting used to but I love it now, he's a silly goose like me but sober. LOL

We're in the bed watching American Dad now, he likes cartoons as much as me but he likes the visual, I like the no anxiety and laughing.  

"That's all folks" should be the end of the day for everyone not just Porky Pig.

Cheers!

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Jai. Just a note on the clutch job. Before installation, compare the height of the old pressure plate and the new one. Datsun uses several different PP heights and the appropriate length clutch bearing collar has to go with the PP. Can't remember if the Exedy kit comes with collar and TO bearing or TP bearing only.  Sometimes the aftermarket PP will be a different height but the TO Brg collar is longer/shorter to compensate. It is the overall stack height that matters.

I prefer re-using the Nissan collars if possible, as they are originally made out of steel, and most replacements these days are plastic. Don't allow your mechanic to throw out the old metal TO Brg sleeve. Save it for future generations!!. 

Assuming that the above  is OK, you " may " run into a hard to shift problem when you replace the clutch kit. Fear not, This is a quite common problem. If the clutch Master Cylinder is old, it may start bypassing fluid by the internal seals after replacing a clutch kit. The reason being is the the old PP springs get weak over time and as the disc wears. The new PP springs are usually a bit stronger and just the leverage  difference with a new disc can put more pressure on the hydraulics. The Clutch Master cylinder then leaks internally past the worn seal lips. 

The slave cylinders are usually OK. They are originally made out of cast iron and with stand pitting and wear from contamination better than the aluminium Clutch Master Cylinder. Your mechanic should flush the old clutch hydraulic fluid ( Brake fluid ) when he does the clutch job. 

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