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Hi guys,

I have a 'spare' Z that I would like to rebuild to look like a 240ZG racecar. The original that I have in mind is the car that is supposed to have participated in the Fuji 1000 in 1971 or 1972. The only reference I have is an old scalemodel kit (1/24 scale) from Fujimi. I have the following questions for you:

1. Has anyone information of this car (descriptions/pictures)

2. Where to buy a G-Nose, headlight covers and ZG flares

I know that MSA has a g-nose kit, but they don't have headlight covers. In another thread someone mentioned sources in Japan, but no further sites specified.

Thanks

Emil Stojanov

The Netherlands

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MSA will have the G-Nose kit and ZG Flares, but those headlight covers will set you back some money. They are inclussive to Japan (the only place the G-Nose was made) and I don't believe any aftermarket companies (in the USA at least) have made reproductions because the G-Nose isn't exactly a "popular" upgrade. Your best bet is to find a source in Japan, but be aware they will demand a pretty penny and might be in rough shape. Good luck with the car, though, and be sure to post pictures when you're done!

Dave

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Wait! The racing ZG uses different flares and a front spoiler. I can't imagine these could be sourced in America. I am sure they are available though as replicas - in Japan. Best bet is to hope Alan sees this thread LOL

That is if you're trying to make something a little like this :

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did anyone else notice that the windshield wipers are mounted opposite of how they should be on that model?

gonna look hot.

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Emil, I am not sure which Fujimi kit you are referring to, but I do have one of a racing ZG. I think it would be great if you made a replica of one of the SCCN ZG's. If you are looking for a nice replica of a g-nose, I would not recommend the MSA nose as it is a one piece. You will definately have to source many parts from Japan. It will most likely be pricey, but well worth the effort. Keep us posted and post a picture of the model that has inspired you to do this.

-Ben

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I believe that the car pictured above (nice Ebbro Model) is still in Japan or a very fine replica exists of this car.

There was a Nostagic Hero Magazine I saw a few years back with the build up of a car that looked very much like the car above.

As for building replicas....It is amazing what a little reasearch will do to uncover the right parts to do a quality restoration/replica.

If need be there are sources that will custom build the parts you need from photos, but I would suggest that you look to the original suppliers first.

Good luck, it would be a great project.

R

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Lachlan:

Did you build that model? What scale is it? It looks very nice.

Me, actually completing a model?! HA! Naw Carl, I found that via Google and I do believe it is a pre-made model in 1:24 scale.

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Why doesn't someone replicate "Big Sam". That's a great racer with lots of history. Does anyone know of a replica of this champion?

Vicky

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The original that I have in mind is the car that is supposed to have participated in the Fuji 1000 in 1971 or 1972. The only reference I have is an old scalemodel kit (1/24 scale) from Fujimi. I have the following questions for you:

1. Has anyone information of this car (descriptions/pictures)

Hi Emil,

I'm guessing that I know the particular car you are referring to. The clue is the Fujimi kit.....

It is almost certainly based on the car driven by Haruhito ( 'Haru' ) Yanagida, who went on to found tuning company 'CENTRAL 20' - specialising in Z cars.

Yanagida started his race career as a privateer back in the late Sixties, driving a Fairlady SR. He joined the Nissan Racing School as a pupil and became one of their top graduates. He started racing a Z as a privateer, but was soon elevated to semi-Works support and became one of Nissan's SCCN team drivers. He received Works parts for his car, and quickly became one of the most successful drivers of Works '240ZR' race cars. He was particularly noted for his skill in wet conditions, and earned the nickname 'Ame no Yanagida' ( rough translation would equate to 'Yanagida of the rain' - or perhaps 'Rain Master Yanagida' would be more in the spirit of what was intended ).

He had a fairly long race career, even taking the wheel of Touring Cars and Group C machines. 'CENTRAL 20' became more of a focus for him after his race career ended, and is still going strong ( they have produced many parts for the Z33 ). Yanagida's son became a race driver - another graduate of the Nissan Racing School - and ties up the Z racing history of the Yanagida family very nicely, as he became one of Nissan's Works drivers of the JGTC Z33 cars.

Yanagida senior's car ( like most race cars of that era ) was something of a moving target in respect to its specification. It started out as a 'short nose' race car, but was then upgraded to the full Works 'ZR' aerodynamic package ( the first of these was nicknamed the 'Type A' package ) which is the configuration your Fujimi kit illustrates. The car was updated frequently, eventually being fitted with the 'Type B' aero package and taken far beyond the standard Works ZR spec - with the addition of extra aero parts ( including a 'Batmobile' style double rear fin arrangement ).

If you want to replicate the car in its 1972 FUJI 1000km race guise ( as per the Fujimi artwork ) then you will need to obtain a replica of the full Works 'Type A' ZG/ZR aero package from a Japanese supplier. These replicas are still being produced by more than one company. I helped a friend here in the UK source one a couple of years ago ( he is building a replica of the 1975 / 1976 Le Mans 24hr race car ) and the quality was fine.

There are lots of other things to think about ( suitable wheels and tyres to fill up those huge arches for example ) and you will want to have a car that has a bite to match its bark. Yanagida's car was pretty fast and featured some rather exotic mechanical specifications, but you don't need to replicate these to get the same feel.

These Works-associated race cars are something of a pet subject of mine. I'd be pleased to try and help you with any further research if I can.

Here are some reference pics of Yanagida's car. First shows him being overtaken by the Lola T290 of Urushihara, and second with the McLaren M12 of Sakae looming in his mirrors. Third is a closeup 'mood' shot in colour, and finally a portrait of Yanagida himself from mid 1972.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Alan T.

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The real Big Sam has been restored and still resides in the UK. Take a look at zhome.com web site. There is a section called z history/racing history

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Why doesn't someone replicate "Big Sam". That's a great racer with lots of history. Does anyone know of a replica of this champion?

Vicky

Replicating a car that still exists might be seen as a slightly strange thing to do, especially in the same country.

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The real Big Sam has been restored and still resides in the UK. Take a look at zhome.com web site. There is a section called z history/racing history

It does indeed, and will be seen at the Goodwood Festival of Speed next month - driven by owner Mr Nick Howell and guest drivers.

I'm sorry to say that a lot of the 'history' of 'Big Sam' quoted on zhome.com is inaccurate. Probably not the fault of zhome.com - but it needs to be corrected / updated just the same.

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I agree with building a replica, esp. if it still exists. To see (and hear) Big Sam doing what it was meant to do....hmmmm.

You could get hold of an original Samuri 240, which were prepared by the same people who built Big Sam. Though these are rather rare now, attached is one that was found with motorsport history, been sitting 12 years, I think it a real shame just sitting there rotting away....

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Alan,

Thanks for the information. I did not have that much background. What I found was that the car started as an almost plain 240ZG and with almost every race and year was equipped with more and bigger bodysculptures. The car as represented by the Fujimi kit is a stock 240ZG with, I think, Watabe wheels.

Attached is a picture of the artcover of the Fujimi kit. I just love the colorscheme.

Emil Stojanov

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I believe that the car pictured above (nice Ebbro Model) is still in Japan or a very fine replica exists of this car.

This is complicated. The EBBRO model was based on the restored 240ZR owned by NISMO. This car was originally one of the Nissan Racing School fleet, and Nissan don't actually know exactly which race car this originally was ( or don't want to tell ). They restored it to a livery / paint scheme that was used by one of the original SCCN Works 240ZR race cars, but almost certainly not this particular car.

So EBBRO made a model of the NISMO-restored ex-NRS fleet, ex-Works 240ZR that was painted to look like another car. Complicated.

Emil expressed interest in replicating ( I think ) Yanagida's car per '72 Fuji 1000km spec. It should be noted that this car was wearing the Works 'Type A' Overfender and airdam set over its ZG panels, whereas the NISMO-restored car is wearing the much wider and more extreme later 'Type B' Overfender and airdam set over the same ZG panels. Note the differences.

Here are some pics to help illustrate those differences:

Taken at the 2002 NISMO Festival at Fuji Speedway, pictures of my friend Shigeru Terashima's green / white / black 240ZR replica ( Type A aero package ) and the NISMO-restored genuine 240ZR ( Type B aero package ). Also a photo of Mr Haruhito Yanagida himself in the pitlane on practice day, with Terashima san's 240ZR replica ( which he drove at the Festival ).

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Alan,

Thanks for the information. I did not have that much background. What I found was that the car started as an almost plain 240ZG and with almost every race and year was equipped with more and bigger bodysculptures. The car as represented by the Fujimi kit is a stock 240ZG with, I think, Watabe wheels.

Attached is a picture of the artcover of the Fujimi kit. I just love the colorscheme.

Emil Stojanov

Hi Emil,

Glad to be able to help.

I think the Fujimi kit is a good example of the 'artistic license' of the kit makers. They had the moulds and tooling for the standard Fairlady 240ZG, and - like many kit manufacturers - decided to release a version with different box art and decals to maximise the use of the tooling. The box art and the model kit itself do not accurately represent the actual car used as a base for the kit version....

Yanagida's car did evolve gradually ( from a 'short nose' car, as I mentioned above ) but I don't think it ever looked exactly like the box art illustration of the Fujimi kit - which is lovely all the same! I agree about the paintscheme and stickers, they do look good.

Replicating the car as per the Fujimi box art would be a lot cheaper and easier than replicating the true look of Yanagida's actual car. That might be a useful thought to keep in mind. Take a look in my Gallery here for pics of a real Factory-made 240ZG as reference.

Cheers,

Alan T.

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Though these are rather rare now, attached is one that was found with motorsport history, been sitting 12 years, I think it a real shame just sitting there rotting away....

Ian, I saw this car featured on the UK zclub site a while back. Do you know whether the car was saved or not?

Andrew

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To see (and hear) Big Sam doing what it was meant to do....hmmmm.

Go to Goodwood in June. Maybe the car won't quite be doing 'what it was meant to do' - but at least you can see and hear it be driven up the hill with enthusiasm.

......attached is one that was found with motorsport history, been sitting 12 years, I think it a real shame just sitting there rotting away....

Got any details of the 'motorsport history' for this car? And is that a sunroof under those bricks and cardboard?

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Allan,

I know that model kit makers try to make the most money out of their toolings, but I hoped that Fujimi would have represented an actual car, because it is a very important part of their racing history. The reasons for me choosing this particular car (only knowing the Fujimi version) was the pretty asymmetrical color scheme, the elegant look of a ZG (the 'normal' race version are too heavy for my taste) and the fact that it is an almost streetlegal version. Strictly speaking adding a G-Nose to a Z makes it illegal by Dutch law, but that can be overcome by pointing out that it was an official Datsun streetversion and is allowed in the US. The only compromise I have to make is to make the headlights vissible. As for the very wide flares, there is no way I could get that legalized. So maybe the best thing to do is make it like the coverart and blame Fujimi. Speaking of compromise, the base car I want to use for this project is a 280Z....

But maybe you have some other examples of a racing versions with a nice colorscheme and a almost stock ZG look?

Kind regards,

Emil Stojanov

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Alan, can you provide a brief synopsis of the mechanicals any of these cars. I appreciate all the pictures posted in this thread. Great cars!! Great info!

Thanks,

Chris

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The full width competition flare kit front and rear (but not including the G-Nose) and as pictured in the red and white liveried car was put for sale on eBay last week or the week before for $200. It was pickup only and I missed the close of the auction because I got wrapped up in some housework we were doing and simply forgot the time... Bummer... Maybe someone on here got their hands on it?

Then again with flares that wide and supposing you did dig up some period correct 14x11" watanabe for the rear... good luck finding suitable tires is my guess...

-e

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