26th-Z

I forwarded this thread, Grog. You may want to come clean with your real name. Don't mean to offend, but the Tampa guys are having trouble with another guy looking for a car in the Tampa area. Do you know Mike Hunt? You are more than welcome to join our club. http://www.suncoastzcarclub.homestead.com/ Then there are several other clubs around the State. http://www.centralfloridazclub.com/phpBB2/portal.php http://www.flzclub.com/forum/index.php? http://www.sfzcc.com/default.asp http://www.350zclubofflorida.com/

Be my guest.

I did exactly that when I worked on logos for my club. Working from photos of the emblems on the cars in the CAD graphics program I use, I traced and developed these. Searching through the archive, I noticed differences between various Zs. Thus two different ones posted here. I also worked up what I call the Z-Store logo. These images are exported from my CAD program which is why they are background reversed.

Thought I would take this thread to mention my experience with re-building my engine L24-2338. This is an early engine - E31 head - the one that comes with the reinforcing plate on the oil pan because the crankshaft harmonics are out of whack. Later crankshafts have an added counterweight to rectify the problem, but the early engines are peculiar in that they have three head bolt lengths. I didn't notice the different lengths when I took the engine apart, but when I put it back together, I was forced to refer to the engine manual, page EM-30 which states; "Three different types of bolts are used. (So be careful when installing)". Everyone had been telling me to assemble the engine with new "turbo style" head bolts (I didn't want to do that) and after some research I was able to order new bolts in the various lengths from Datsun. I measured the block to determine which long bolts to use in which location. New turbo bolts would have bottomed out. Another one of those peculiar things about the early cars. Chris

That was darned nice of you, Ken. I called Barry and told him about your thread. zpartsman@aol.com and he's in Chesapeak, VA. He ships UPS and he does have over 300 Zs. He used to have serial numbers 00001, 00002, and 00003, but I just bought them for $35. Now he has mostly '72 and later. I was just pulling your chain about the serial numbers. Gotcha!

A little more fuel to the fire...this article from the new issue of Classic Motorsports magazine March 2006, issue 119, page 38. Seems like everyone is talking about the Z!

Hope this helps the conversation. I may post this over on the thread about Z values from the Hagarty article. This article appears in the new issue of Classic Motorsports magazine, March 2006 issue 119 page 38

Hey Kurt, Looks like an interesting project. Let's see more pictures when you get it. Chris

Pete, http://supergt.net/en/ Unfortunately, we don't get to see much of that sponsorship. Very successful series.

Try Datsun Freeway http://www.datsun-freeway.com/index.html

A little more key history information. http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/Images/62-2.gif The Voss type steering lock and key is most common on the very early Zs and comes from the roadster. I have seen early Zs equipped with the Waso type, but very few. Both my cars are Voss equipped.

deadflo, I nailed those graphics off the internet years ago from surfing various Datsun history sites. The "Datson" license tag looking logo with the round sun background is circa 1930's - file name says 1931. The vertical "DAT" logo has a 1916 file name. Flip over to my gallery and I have a sub gallery started with a few of the old cars. Check out the website www.ratdat.com

Long pig-tail fuse box wiring cover! Wanna sell it?

Here are some early DAT and Datson logos. My understanding is that Datson changed to Datsun in the mid '30s. That's the image of Her Majesty, garage queen and guardian of all cars DAT, holding the flag of the rising sun.

There is a great wealth of information about keys on this site. Do a search. There are two styles of keys for the series one chassis (1969 - 1971). Long and short. There are two styles of door and deck keys also. Here are some pictures.

I bought a rusted car on purpose!

From what I can see, you have the earlier manifold.

She's an umbrella girl. Of course her legs would fit in the car! Zs are famous for leg room! Oh my goodness.

Arne, Generally speaking, I have found that the parts of the later S30s are quite different from the parts of the earlier S30s. Not to say they won't work, but I just seem to find there are subtle differences that make swapping things out one-for-one difficult. Pedal cluster 48318-E4601 goes through several part # changes begining what looks like in 7/72. There is a different # for the 2+2 and automatic. Looks to me like you have N3300 for the cars around '72 - '75 and N4700 starting 8/76.

I don't think Black Book holds the same definition or standard for "excellent condition" as we do. As we have seen several early cars in excellent condition sell well above the $15,000 range in recent months, excellent condition might mean it simply runs and looks nice. The 280Z with less than 50,000 miles and original paint should have a higher value as well. Because the Black Book represents the interests of a loan institution, one might suspect what it is worth in terms of loan value or perhaps replacement value. Of course, true value is what someone is willing to pay at a specific time.

I have Hagerty on both the cars even though they are apart and in storage. The article describes how a collector entry level British sports car is reaching $20,000 and people are starting to look at the early Japanese cars as good deals and it goes on to boast about how reliable the Datsuns are. It touches on roadsters as well. The two examples they give are a fairly modified 1971 and a stock 1978 with 35,000 miles. The '71 sold on eBay in July for $8,700 and the 280 sold at auction in October for $8,000. The comment on the '71 is that it could have reasonably sold for $2,500 more and the '78 may have been overpriced by $2,000. Then, they include a bar chart of relative values of the two vintages over a 20 year period. This is from: "Prices are for cars in excellent condition. This information is provided courtesy of the Black Book and Cars of Particular Interet Value Guide. CPI is the guide most often used by credit unions to determine loan values of collectable domestic and imported cars. www.blackbookusa.com" Forgive me DAT, for I have scanned

I heard the same story from Les a few days ago, Ron. What a shame. And what a chance to say hello to the Southeast! Go figure. I would have shipped the JGTC car over. Well, I'm going anyhow. Road Atlanta is a great track. (Much different from when I drove it, but those days were crude.) The Mitty is a great event with a lot of great cars. We DO have Datsun race cars around here and most often, Theo Bean shows up with his GT and GTP Nissans. He just aquired the 1994 Daytona winning 300ZX from the Cunningham collection. He had it at Sebring last fall. I think you guys should come anyhow. We'll party.

Can't wait to see your car again! I'm taking great interest in this as I am about to do the same thing. And for the same reasons, Ben! Your car looks great.

Yea! While I was at it, I bought another car!!! Why not restore two while I'm at it? Yea...no problem.