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Series-1 Hatch Vent Duct Clips & Restoration Info Needed

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I have a few updates.  I spoke to the manufacturing company today.  They have started working on the tooling for the clips but cutting of the first clip is still one to two weeks out.  The account representative I am working will let me know when I can come by and inspect the first clip for QC.

I went by Fastenal today to see if they could get a spring nut.  Pictured below is the closest they had.  He verified it is a #8 spring nut.  Price is .45/ea if 100 are ordered.  The one below is actually shrink wrapped to the reference page so we could not flip it over.  Another name for these is a fender panel clip. I am going to keep investigating to see if I can locate something that is closer to the original.

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Jeff,

If you haven't already, try Auveco.  https://www.auveco.com/

I have found numerous parts there for my Z that I could not find anywhere else and their catalog is extensive.  They even have an entire section dedicated to metric.  This is where I was able to locate the plastic door panel clips that hold the door panel to the door itself.  Not an exact match to the originals but they worked perfectly.

They might just have what you are looking for.

Hope that helps.

Mike.

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1 hour ago, Mike W said:

Jeff,

If you haven't already, try Auveco.  https://www.auveco.com/

I have found numerous parts there for my Z that I could not find anywhere else and their catalog is extensive.  They even have an entire section dedicated to metric.  This is where I was able to locate the plastic door panel clips that hold the door panel to the door itself.  Not an exact match to the originals but they worked perfectly.

They might just have what you are looking for.

Hope that helps.

Mike.

That's the same company that sells the Ford panel rivets that are almost an exact match for the Z panel rivets. You can get 50 of those for the price of about 10 Nissan panel rivets.

Here's a link to an earlier thread where I mentioned them: 

 

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2 hours ago, Mike W said:

Jeff,

If you haven't already, try Auveco.  https://www.auveco.com/

I have found numerous parts there for my Z that I could not find anywhere else and their catalog is extensive.  They even have an entire section dedicated to metric.  This is where I was able to locate the plastic door panel clips that hold the door panel to the door itself.  Not an exact match to the originals but they worked perfectly.

They might just have what you are looking for.

Hope that helps.

Mike.

That is so funny because a box of larger clips they had were in a green box but I could not tell what name was on it.  Now I know!  I will research their site and see what I can find.  Thank you Mike!

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Jeff,

No problem.  The best thing to do is to download their catalog and search through it.  It's over 800 pages so it is quite extensive and almost anything you may need for automotive hardware.  There are pages and pages of U clips and so it's likely you will find what you need. 

Mike.

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Got a few updates.  First, I received pictures of the test clip they produced.  They called me last week and they were having trouble making the clip due to the spring steel breaking while they were bending it.  The clip they were able to make looks a little thick.  I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon to check it out in person with my digital calipers.  An issue I see with the metal being too thick is the chrome vent cover will not be able to sit on the metal.  It already has a shallow recess for the stock clip and I am concerned this new one may not fit in the recess.  I am taking a cover with me too for my test fitting. Check out the pictures below.

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While I was at the parts store picking up some items and looked through the Dorman hardware section.  I found packages of #8 and #10 speed nuts.  In the middle is the OEM spring nut that Zup has loaned me.  On the left is the #8 part number 454060BP.  On the right is the #10 and its part number is 454030BP.  The #10 looks really close and I am unsure if it is possible to find anything closer.  I still need to check out Auveco but thought I would share my findings.

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A quick update.  I went and QC'd the hatch clip this afternoon.  The metal was not thick like I thought and easily rested flush in the recess of the hatch vent trim.  There were two minor issues.  1. The hole was a little too far to the right based on the pictures. 2. The bend on the bottom and far right was a little too long.  It actually would have worked the way it was but I asked it be corrected to match the original more.  The next test clip should be ready tomorrow or Wednesday.  I will keep everyone posted.

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Good news!  I QC'd the second clip this morning and it is 100% spot on.  I gave them the green light to make the other 99 and then send them off for clear zinc plating.  Turn around is about 2 weeks from today.  This will be a total of 100 clips (25 sets)  I will be keeping 2 for myself and selling the remaining 23.  Once I have all the clips in my hand I will post an official thread in the Garage Business forum.

Zup, I have your clips and will be sending them back to you soon.  Once i do I will PM you the details.  Thank you again for letting me use them to get this project off the ground. 

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I picked up the clips on Friday from the manufacturing company and they look and function just as expected.  Below is the link to the thread I posted in the Garage Business forum.  The sets are a little more expensive than originally communicated due to the higher cost of the slightly thicker spring steel and tax.  At $50/set shipped in the US I think it is very reasonable.  I will post up all the work I did to install the ducts once I go through and edit the pictures.

Thank you again to Zup and everyone who contributed to this effort and making it a reality!

 

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With the new hatch vent clips in hand I set about getting everything  back together.  I stopped by Hobby Lobby and picked up some 3mm and 7mm closed cell foam.  It is made by Silly Winks.  Using the rubber duct seal I bought from Steve I made a template of what the seal should look like.  

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Since I had both sizes of foam I cut out gaskets from each size.  After some initial testing I determined the thicker foam would not collapse enough to fit in the hatch opening.  Below is a comparison.

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Using some automotive contact cement I glued the rubber gasket to the duct.  The used the #10 speed nut I bought from the auto parts store as it is a 95% match to the original.

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I sprayed some 3M spray adhesive to the foam gasket I made, placed it on the rubber gasket and let it set up for about 15 minutes.

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I patiently worked the assembly duct back in to the hatch opening, taking care not to damage the foam gasket.  After a few minutes of fiddling, it was in.  I then secured it using the clips I had made.  The clips hold the assembly nice and tight!

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Now that the severe weather has passed I am going to track down some barrel clips so I can attach the chrome plastic grilles over the vent openings.  The finish line is in sight!

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Really nice job of pulling this together Jeff! :)

All early car restorers will be indebted to your attention to detail and the completeness of your photo documentation regarding this important aspect of the hatch.

Jim D.

"Zup"

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On 4/2/2017 at 3:00 PM, Hardway said:

With the new hatch vent clips in hand I set about getting everything  back together.  I stopped by Hobby Lobby and picked up some 3mm and 7mm closed cell foam.  It is made by Silly Winks.  Using the rubber duct seal I bought from Steve I made a template of what the seal should look like.

Did you test this particular foam against water to see if it soaks it up like a sponge or repels it at all? I'd be curious to know... might have to head over to the hobby store to pick some up... 

You say the thicker stuff did not collapse enough- so 3mm-5mm would be the sweet spot?

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Yes I did test it.  It repels water very well but if you submerge it in water it will soak up a little but nothing like a sponge.  You are correct, the thicker piece was too thick and would not collapse enough to get the duct work under the holes in the hatch as the sheet metal is bent downwards.  The 3mm piece was spot on as it would compress enough to allow it to be worked in to place.

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"That's all folks!"  The last set of clips just sold on Ebay.  I appreciate everyone that purchased a set and look forward to meeting up with those that will be picking up their sets at ZCON. 

This has been a team effort for sure and I thank everyone who was a part of it.  They say it takes a village to raise a child, it certainly takes a community to keep these old cars on the road.  If a large enough need presents itself I would consider doing another run but I feel this first run took care of a lot of folks that were needing them.

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I would probably go for another set if you decide to make another batch.  The one set I bought is very nice - very well done.

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