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I'm very disappointed.

Is there any workaround for making these fit, or are they high priced junk??

So you're the one that outbid me , eh ? :)

You then have them already to know that they don't fit ?

As I have gathered , the genuine Nissan ''reproduction'' covers are the ones that don't have any future defects without modification of some sort.

And, now that I'm really looking at them, they ARE mismatched ! The screw holes are in different locations.

Wait , are we looking at the same pics of the ones that you won ? I think I'm confused ......

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Zup won this auction. Different auction, same seller. I'm not going to sh!tmouth anyones buddy here but decide for yourself, if there is any deception in this ad and does he not know what he is selling?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=300490744688&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D300490744688%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=

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See now I get it - same seller, different items . My ebay notifier read '' seller has relisted these items '' and I took it for granted these were the same .

Even the description is the same , save for the bad mouthing of Australian and Canadians - as if our money spends differently , like the peso .;)

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- as if our money spends differently , like the peso .;)

Unkle - your money doesn't spend any differently ... I believe that the problem is - as was noted by someone earlier - he paid someone in Mexico and the seller disappeared. Buying/Selling within the US carries with it some legal protections, that do not apply, or can not be applied when buying/selling out of your own country. Hate to say it, but the level of outright criminal activity just grows and grows on the Internet.

On top of that - if there is a problem - international shipping charges can quickly exceed the price of the item, or turn any sale into a loss of money. No reason to assume all these risks - if you can just as easily find a buyer in your own country.

FWIW,

Carl B.

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the problem is - as was noted by someone earlier - he paid someone in Mexico and the seller disappeared.

FWIW,

Carl B.

The peso reference was toungue in cheek - I was the buyer who got ripped off by the Mexican seller - but lucky me Mastercard refunded my money.....:)

Carl, you would know - is there a decent repro set available that's tried and true ?

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The peso reference was toungue in cheek - I was the buyer who got ripped off by the Mexican seller

The -.. "he paid someone in Mexico" - was also toungue in cheek. ROFL

- but lucky me Mastercard refunded my money.....:)

That is good to hear and also good to know.

Carl, you would know - is there a decent repro set available that's tried and true ?

I have an NOS set, so I really have no experience with the repro sets.

FWIW,

Carl B.

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Chris, Esprist, Anyone, I need professional help here.There are a few points I would like to clarify. Starting from post #1. Esprist referred to the sellers pic and said the headlight cover on the right was the early version, driver's side (assuming LHD). Also, Esprist believed the covers were sitting on the wrong boxes (switched). Isn't the original, early version the one on the left and sitting atop the correct box?

I hope so, because I have always thought that my rings were the early type which coincide with #63900-E4126 & #63901-E4126.The rings I have are the same as depicted in the instruction sheet, with the holes oriented the same. I believe the cover on the right in the pic is the later #63901-E8726.

Which brings me to this. I remember a while back, reading a post where a member used his OEM rings on a set of reproduction lenses because of the difficulty of fitting the repro rings. I can't remember the members ID but can remember the car and installation pic. It was IIRC, a red Z with the front bumper rubber removed. Anyone remember it? Now, I am wondering which OEM rings were used on his repro lenses. I am going to look for that post again.

EDIT:Found it, it was 240ZGL. He has the later OEM style which allowed him to mix n match and looks great!:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=322187&postcount=11

Well, I did not know anthing about different types of headlight cover until my master Katz made a detailed coment last year

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31601

By the way, the reproduction ones have gray rubber gasket all the way around while Genuine

ones have glued black rubber that is almost impossible to remove.

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This is what I would make out of stainless for repro sets from zccjdm.com.

Has anybody bought these yet ?

Any reviews to share ? :paranoid:

I believe the guy that operates zccjdm.com is a member here and this is a post he made about the reproductions he sells http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=275419&postcount=25.

I have one set of lenses and rings that were supposedly OEM, but without the hardware or the boxes (makes me think they are actually repros). I also have one set of used rings that I am certain must be OEM because I got them from an older local guy that had kept them from a car he had years ago. No hardware for them either, but that seems to be fairly easy to recreate. I'll have to dig them out later and see exactly what I have.

-Mike

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I believe the guy that operates zccjdm.com is a member here and this is a post he made about the reproductions he sells http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=275419&postcount=25.

I have one set of lenses and rings that were supposedly OEM, but without the hardware or the boxes (makes me think they are actually repros). I also have one set of used rings that I am certain must be OEM because I got them from an older local guy that had kept them from a car he had years ago. No hardware for them either, but that seems to be fairly easy to recreate. I'll have to dig them out later and see exactly what I have.

-Mike

There is only one kind of reproduction JDM type headlight covers. His is from Japan as well. And I know who has the mold and sells them. It is about 24000Yen Plus shipping. So about $300 at cost if you bring few.

These are made in China and lenses are OK but the rings are unbelievable shape (mot even streight) and very poor chome quality.

I wish this was the later type lenses....

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There is only one kind of reproduction JDM type headlight covers....I wish this was the later type lenses....

You are making the same mistake again. These lenses will fit with the "later" OEM trim rings but will not fit with the original OEM "early" trim rings.

-First pic - "later" OEM trim rings mounted on reproduction lenses.

-Second pic - OEM "later" lense & trim ring

-Third pic - OEM original "early" lense & trim ring on the left, OEM "later" lense & trim ring on the right

I know it can be confusing and I think you are referring to the shape of the lense and not what it will fit or match up with.

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You are making the same mistake again. These lenses will fit with the "later" OEM trim rings but will not fit with the original OEM "early" trim rings.

-First pic - "later" OEM trim rings mounted on reproduction lenses.

-Second pic - OEM "later" lense & trim ring

-Third pic - OEM original "early" lense & trim ring on the left, OEM "later" lense & trim ring on the right

I know it can be confusing and I think you are referring to the shape of the lense and not what it will fit or match up with.

Ok...Well do they have different parts# between old ones and new ones?

If so, early production ones are better made than later ones.......

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I've marked Kat's drawing - with some notes. The "new style" / "old style" used in the discussion seemed confusing to me. So does "earlier" and "later" - -

My OEM/NOS set, packaged in the brown box, marked with the 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 numbers are the "new style" on Kat's noted drawing. They have black rubber & the OEM mounting hardware.

Looking at Ron's trim rings - I'd say his are also the new style - according to Kat's drawing noted.

In the original Post - the headlight cover sitting on the new Red/white/blue box - would seem to be the Old Style - as noted in Kats drawings. {the front mounting hole is only a couple inches from the top edge}.

Do I have kat's drawing marked wrong??

FWIW,

Carl

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All that said, the set I received, as shown above, is the reproduction set. The hardware and mounting instruction sheet are exactly as 26th-Z posted. (original)

I'm very disappointed.

Is there any workaround for making these fit, or are they high priced junk??

and later

By the way, the reproduction ones have gray rubber gasket all the way around while Genuine

ones have glued black rubber that is almost impossible to remove.

Zup - are you still following this? The covers you bought seem to have the black rubber around them. At least the one's pictures on E-Bay do. Do the one's you received have gray rubber? If so, can you post a picture of the gray rubber?

FWIW,

Carl B.

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It seems the best deal was had by "d51298" in this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=260690504728&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_nkw%3D260690504728%26_sacat%3D0%26_dmpt%3DMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories%26_odkw%3D240z%26_osacat%3D0%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m270.l1313%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=. A set of part numbers 63900-E4126 and 63901-E4126 "in as new condition" still in the boxes for $350, only missing the hardware set from the passenger side.

-Mike

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We almost had these reproduced Will "hls30.com" tried to reproduce these. I don't know him very well and it sounds like it ended very badly from the forum, but thought we should link that forum a lot of data came out of it.

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14343&highlight=chrome+headlight+covers

I've always wanted a set but never was the highest bidder or lucky enough to find them. What is the back of the rings like? I have never seen pictures of that side, always the top. Also how thick was the rubber?, and does someone make or can make just the lenses in any size order without the rings?

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Do I have kat's drawing marked wrong??

Yes Carl, you did mark Kat's drawing wrong. You have "old style" & "new style" reversed. I have not seen your NOS set but I know from the part numbers you quoted, 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 that yours are the originals found in the 1970 FairladyZ option parts list. They will have trim rings with the holes positioned the same as mine. The easiest way to get in the habit of "getting it right" is to note if the forward leading hole is on top or coming from the bottom, when mounted, if that makes sense to you. Just look at the picture with the two OEM "types" side by side. The original "early" is on the left and the "later" is on the right.

The auction MikeB linked was the deal of the month. Those are the original "real deal", just like yours Carl.

The part numbers for the "later" style (for lack of better terminology) are, 63900-E8726 & 63901-E8726.

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ajmcforester - Here is a shot of the backside. If you can see past the glare, you can see how each is built from two pieces and welded together. I had these rechromed and they are actually much better looking than when new. The original "fit & finish" was not all that great on these.

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Thanks Ron so they are made like I thought they were. I wish my grand father was around all I would need is to borrow someones and I know he could do it and probably make 20 or more in the first day. Now his brother is good I'll show the picture to him, I might have a project next time I'm in Michigan. If I learn a good way to make these I'll share with you guys how.

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Carl, would you like to sell your set? I'm interested. Been looking for a set for a long time.

HEY ! Step off ! I'm the one whining for a set , get back in line ! :ermm:

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There are several members here who have a NOS set of the original "early" headlight covers, still in the original boxes that I know of. They would be able to verify the hole positions as well as the part numbers of their set and I am certain the numbers will coincide with what is stated in post 41. Over the past several years whenever a set of OEM, NOS covers came up for sale, they were the "early" version.

Heres what I know. The first documentation I have of 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 is in the Nissan 1970 FairladyZ parts catalog Model S30-PS30. It is the very last 2 part numbers listed under the heading of Option Parts. I was a little surprized that Kats didn't happen across that listing, when I was looking at his hole description sheet and seen the "mystery" notation. The first pic below is labeled as H_Covers73CompCatalog, which leads me to believe there was quite a stockpile of the "early" version still available long after the superceded "later" version appeared. I'm not sure of the date of availability for 63900-E8726 & 63901-E8726, but according to the notation in Kat's hole description sheet they were seen "from the beginning" in Japan. All the "later" type I have seen have been removed from FairladyZs. I've never seen a NOS "later" set come up for sale but maybe I just didn't notice. The last two pics are just a couple of good example pics, from the recent Ebay auction that Mike B linked in post#39 of the "early" type.

EDIT:Added Kat's hole location sheet pic

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Someone at Hybridz has a supposedly NOS set listed in the classifieds. They are asking $1,250 http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/96453-nos-parts/

-Mike

I asked for pics, not because I am interested in buying them but it would add to the information base of this thread and perhaps help others in the future make better informed decisions when shopping for a set of headlight covers.

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The first documentation I have of 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 is in the Nissan 1970 FairladyZ parts catalog Model S30-PS30. It is the very last 2 part numbers listed under the heading of Option Parts. I was a little surprized that Kats didn't happen across that listing, when I was looking at his hole description sheet and seen the "mystery" notation. The first pic below is labeled as H_Covers73CompCatalog, which leads me to believe there was quite a stockpile of the "early" version still available long after the superceded "later" version appeared.

Ron,

I looked at a couple of old Datsun Competition Parts Catalogs (1976 and 1978) and a 1993 Nissan Motorsport Parts Catalog and they all only list the 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 for the headlight covers. That might explain why all of the NOS sets that North American members here have appear to be the "early" version.

It looks like my headlight covers and rings are in storage, so I probably won't be able to check on them for a month or so.

-Mike

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I looked at a couple of old Datsun Competition Parts Catalogs (1976 and 1978) and a 1993 Nissan Motorsport Parts Catalog and they all only list the 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 for the headlight covers. That might explain why all of the NOS sets that North American members here have appear to be the "early" version.

Yes, I think there are reasons for this being the case that we are not quite clear on yet. Just theory on my part but two possible scenarios come to mind. Perhaps Nissan contracted an alternate supplier and at the same time factored in changes (which was & is a common practice) and designated the resulting different types as options for different markets. If so, it would be prudent to continue what we have called the "original" design for the North American market for ease of supplying replacement parts. After all, the mounting is different and this would serve to simplify the inventory as well as lessen any confusion.

Or, perhaps Nissan was caught by surprise by the DOT regulations regarding the use of headlight covers and simply over produced the type we have referred to as "early" and the revised headlight covers were already on deck. According to Kat's the other type we have referred to as "later" in this thread, was a common sight from the beginning in Japan.

Don't take any of this seriously...just thinking out loud.

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