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Here is a perfect example of early and later JDM headlight covers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Datsun-240Z-260z-280z-Headlight-covers-New-OEM-Nissan-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45f6d8ae5eQQitemZ300494138974QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

The right one in the picture is for the driver's side and it is the early one with more round shape lense with different hole pattern. Left one is for the passenger side and it is the later design.

If you had the same side but different version of the light covers, the lenses are not interchangable. Reproduction ones from Japan were made based on the early ones.....I wish someone made a late model lenses for spares......

The early one has design flaw one the shape and hole location, so that they cracks in short period of time.

I think the boxes are switched left and right on this listing, by the way.

I feel sorry for the buyer spending over $1200USD for a unmatching set....

The seller is not describing that either.......

:cry:

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I feel sorry for the buyer spending over $1200USD for a unmatching set....

The seller is not describing that either.......

:cry:

Yes, its sad. I was wondering if anyone else noticed that or not. I am one of those troublesome Canadians that canceled out early on, in one of this sellers auctions, a year or so ago because of what I considered to be seller trickery. He is one of the more knowledgable sellers in the business and we know that he knows exactly what he is selling. Buyer beware.

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Looks like shill bid to me. But there is one that end recently that cost only $400, ebay# 260690504728 and another one cost about $800, ebay# 300490744688.

Ed

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Looks like shill bid to me. But there is one that end recently that cost only $400, ebay# 260690504728 and another one cost about $800, ebay# 300490744688.

Ed

O.K. I will come clean and say I got caught up in wanting these .

The first pair I bid on 3 months ago to around $600 , won, and got screwed

by the seller who disappeared (From Mexico) AFTER I paid for them.

So when I saw the second pair , I was outbid past $765 ish and lost.

Suddenly ''another'' seller had them up again with the description changed

that read " I will not sell to Australian or Canadian bidders anymore unless

you contact me first '' yadda yadda because of some perceived trouble .

So I diligently contacted him , questioned him to bid again, with the seller

accepting . So I bid on the ''third'' set again , and was pissed to see them go past my absolutely stupid bid of around $1200 . So I smell a rat , but now have given up trying to buy these on ebay. :mad:

My open offer to anyone here : I am game to buy a repro set of covers for a reasonable amount . Just let me know either here or a PM .

Edited by Unkle

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Thanks Ed ! Does anybody have further info on these for good fitment / quality issues ? I'm still open to purchasing real nissan ones from someone here as well .....:)

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O.K. I will come clean and say I got caught up in wanting these .

The first pair I bid on 3 months ago to around $600 , won, and got screwed

by the seller who disappeared (From Mexico) AFTER I paid for them.

So when I saw the second pair , I was outbid past $765 ish and lost.

Suddenly ''another'' seller had them up again with the description changed

that read " I will not sell to Australian or Canadian bidders anymore unless

you contact me first '' yadda yadda because of some perceived trouble .

So I diligently contacted him , questioned him to bid again, with the seller

accepting . So I bid on the ''third'' set again , and was pissed to see them go past my absolutely stupid bid of $1200 . So I smell a rat , but now have given up trying to buy these on ebay. :mad:

My open offer to anyone here : I am game to buy a repro set of covers for a reasonable amount . Just let me know either here or a PM .

I believe the seller is Datsun Spirit guy in VA, but his website is out of service.......http://www.datsunspirit.com/index.html

I throught he was a trust worthy Japanese :cry:guy.........

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I believe the seller is Datsun Spirit guy in VA, but his website is out of service.......http://www.datsunspirit.com/index.html

I throught he was a trust worthy Japanese :cry:guy.........

I maybe shouldn't have mentioned my "auction gone wrong" with him at all. It didn't cost me anything and I retracted my bid immediately. My bid was topped anyhow, by the end of the auction. He does have a solid feedback score even if this latest auction was tainted, by him not mentioning it was a mixed set of headlight covers. Lots of members here do give him respect and deal with him regularly without incident.

Has anyone here bought a set of these reproduction covers linked by TQs30z?

Just wondering how they fit. They wouldn't do me any good though. I need a set of replacement lenses for the later OEM type to go with my trim rings that I had rechromed already.

Just thought I would also mention that I did take a crack at reproducing the trim rings and also looked into having replacement lenses made using a vacuum forming process by a local company. The cost to have the prototype forms made was more than I was willing to invest and the rings proved to be quite difficult to form as well. It is beyond my capabilities.

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I believe the seller is Datsun Spirit guy in VA, but his website is out of service.......http://www.datsunspirit.com/index.html

I throught he was a trust worthy Japanese :cry:guy.........

I tried to work with Datsun Spirit he puts together a engine bolt kit. Well he sent me an email after sending several messages that he was sick and can't help now. After I had put an order together with him.

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Has anyone here bought a set of these reproduction covers linked by TQs30z?

Just wondering how they fit. They wouldn't do me any good though. I need a set of replacement lenses for the later OEM type to go with my trim rings that I had rechromed already.

Just thought I would also mention that I did take a crack at reproducing the trim rings and also looked into having replacement lenses made using a vacuum forming process by a local company. The cost to have the prototype forms made was more than I was willing to invest and the rings proved to be quite difficult to form as well. It is beyond my capabilities.

As I mentioned before, the reproduction ones are very poorly made, and even MSA decided not to sell them. Poor chrome ring lines and chrome that it almost look like plastic rings.

Also the repro ones were made based on early ones, so you cannot use just the lenses for later ones. The shape and hole locations are different.

It cost about 25000 yen in Japan, which is about 300 USD plus shipping.

I wish someone could make one out of stainless steel.....Hasn't some member been working on it last year? What happened to that project?

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esprit, if you have the lens cover you can make a simple mold to make a new one out of polycarbonate.

What you do is use fiberglass to make a mold of the lens from the outside then take and make a mold out of the inside of the new mold. remember to make the mold extend past the original inside. Once the molds are made heat an oven to 350, with the molds in the oven. take a flat piece of polycarbonate and place it between the two halves of the mold with some weight or presure, and place in the oven for 20 minutes the slowly raise the heat10-15 deg F every 5 minites if it don't start to shape. stop increasing heat when it starts to bend you don't want to over soften the polycarbonate.

I want to find a good price on an original set with good rings and all the lenses cracked or not cracked. To bad my grandfather isn't around he could show me how to replicate the rings I would just need to boro a set so he could look at one, but that is wishful thinking.

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esprit, if you have the lens cover you can make a simple mold to make a new one out of polycarbonate.

What you do is use fiberglass to make a mold of the lens from the outside then take and make a mold out of the inside of the new mold. remember to make the mold extend past the original inside. Once the molds are made heat an oven to 350, with the molds in the oven. take a flat piece of polycarbonate and place it between the two halves of the mold with some weight or presure, and place in the oven for 20 minutes the slowly raise the heat10-15 deg F every 5 minites if it don't start to shape. stop increasing heat when it starts to bend you don't want to over soften the polycarbonate.

I want to find a good price on an original set with good rings and all the lenses cracked or not cracked. To bad my grandfather isn't around he could show me how to replicate the rings I would just need to boro a set so he could look at one, but that is wishful thinking.

Well, how about the rings.....

I do not mind investing money to make them, but it will be hard to make the rings the match the lenses. Original ones do not even aligned to the lense so that these lenses often crack as you install them......

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Unfortunately, although he doesn't describe in his listing that the headlight covers are of two different types - early and late, he does show it in the picture and any buyer who disputed would probably lose if he claimed it was clearly shown. Ebay is tilted heavily toward the seller which is of course, how they get paid.

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As simple as it sounds, reproducing the lenses are much more involved. A two part form for each side has to be constructed, in order to achieve the detail and accuracy which enables the trim ring to "nestle" with the lens when assembled. As Esprist mentioned, if the components do not match up correctly, it will result in cracked lenses. It requires specialized vacuum forming equipment that is able to acommidate a two part form, as well as provide additional heating elements, that are necessary for forming the thickness of material used. That is only half the problem also. It is very difficult to form the trim rings with the required accuracy and consistancy, in order to mate with the lens and nacelle properly. Not to say it couldn't be done, but it would require a great deal of tooling with a hefty price. In short, this is the reason there have never been real quality reproductions made. After talking with a rep and crunching the numbers, I gave up on the idea. I determined, it was a project with too high a risk of failure and loss of investment to attempt.

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As simple as it sounds, reproducing the lenses are much more involved. A two part form for each side has to be constructed, in order to achieve the detail and accuracy which enables the trim ring to "nestle" with the lens when assembled. As Esprist mentioned, if the components do not match up correctly, it will result in cracked lenses. It requires specialized vacuum forming equipment that is able to acommidate a two part form, as well as provide additional heating elements, that are necessary for forming the thickness of material used. That is only half the problem also. It is very difficult to form the trim rings with the required accuracy and consistancy, in order to mate with the lens and nacelle properly. Not to say it couldn't be done, but it would require a great deal of tooling with a hefty price. In short, this is the reason there have never been real quality reproductions made. After talking with a rep and crunching the numbers, I gave up on the idea. I determined, it was a project with too high a risk of failure and loss of investment to attempt.

Also the shape of 1969-72 fiber glass headlight buckets and post73 later metal ones are different......

I have NOS/original ones on my personal car, and I ended up enlarging and openning the 2 of the 4 holes to give the lenses more room to expand as you tightening the screws over the rings.

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I'm glad you guys are still talking about this. Had a chance to get out to the shop today to see what I have. I have an original set - early type - and a repro set with different screw hole locations. I bought the repro set from the seller this thread is talking about. They didn't come with hardware, but that was Ok because the NOS set has the hardware. Here is NOS hardware for the early type lenses.

I imagine any of these will require some fitment and finish detailing while installing them.

Headlt_Cover-Inst-0001.pdf

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I'm glad you guys are still talking about this. Had a chance to get out to the shop today to see what I have. I have an original set - early type - and a repro set with different screw hole locations. I bought the repro set from the seller this thread is talking about. They didn't come with hardware, but that was Ok because the NOS set has the hardware. Here is NOS hardware for the early type lenses.

I imagine any of these will require some fitment and finish detailing while installing them.

Last year we had a thred about this

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14343&highlight=headlight+cover&page=5

As far as mounting hardware, here is what I made at the lowest cost .:)

All you need is tap and screws!

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^

This is what I would make out of stainless for repro sets from zccjdm.com.

Has anybody bought these yet ?

Any reviews to share ? :paranoid:

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Chris, Esprist, Anyone, I need professional help here.There are a few points I would like to clarify. Starting from post #1. Esprist referred to the sellers pic and said the headlight cover on the right was the early version, driver's side (assuming LHD). Also, Esprist believed the covers were sitting on the wrong boxes (switched). Isn't the original, early version the one on the left and sitting atop the correct box?

I hope so, because I have always thought that my rings were the early type which coincide with #63900-E4126 & #63901-E4126.The rings I have are the same as depicted in the instruction sheet, with the holes oriented the same. I believe the cover on the right in the pic is the later #63901-E8726.

Which brings me to this. I remember a while back, reading a post where a member used his OEM rings on a set of reproduction lenses because of the difficulty of fitting the repro rings. I can't remember the members ID but can remember the car and installation pic. It was IIRC, a red Z with the front bumper rubber removed. Anyone remember it? Now, I am wondering which OEM rings were used on his repro lenses. I am going to look for that post again.

EDIT:Found it, it was 240ZGL. He has the later OEM style which allowed him to mix n match and looks great!:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=322187&postcount=11

Edited by geezer
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Esprist - I think you have the different types confused. My 1970 Nissan FairladyZ parts catalog has 63900-E4126 & 63901-E4126 listed under Option Parts. The first pic is from an old post and is self explanatory. The second pic is my trim rings and a few of the seller's pics for posterity. I just figured we should get it right, considering the thread title, for searches in the future.

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I've been following this thread for several days with keen interest.

I bid on and won this auction (E-bay #300490744688) offered by Eiji Hosami. (Datsun Spirit)

I wouldn't have bothered if it weren't for the fact that he was the seller. It distresses me to see reports otherwise, as I have bought many items from Eiji and they have always been exactly as described and in the condition described. He is one of the few sellers I trusted.

All that said, the set I received, as shown above, is the reproduction set. The hardware and mounting instruction sheet are exactly as 26th-Z posted. (original)

I'm very disappointed.

Is there any workaround for making these fit, or are they high priced junk??

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I've been following this thread for several days with keen interest.

I bid on and won this auction (E-bay #300490744688) offered by Eiji Hosami. (Datsun Spirit)

I wouldn't have bothered if it weren't for the fact that he was the seller. It distresses me to see reports otherwise,

"otherwise"??? Are you saying that it wasn't really Eiji selling these?

.

All that said, the set I received, as shown above, is the reproduction set.

How do you know that they are a reproduction set - and not NOS? Exactly what is different?

thanks,

Carl B.

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