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The 240Z was a landmark car for the japanese imports. It came on the scene and really created a buzz in the market, and on the track. There are those who bought one and KNEW it was special and held on to it and kept it pristine.

Question is, what car today is of that caliber. It has to be all of the following.

New model,

timeless design

marketable for years

racing pedigree possibilities

The only car I can think of that may make waves is the new Hyundia Genesis Coupe... its a game changer car. It will change the way people view the Korean autos...Its breaking into racing, however small the scale, and it is a beautiful design. Oh and its affordable

What else is there?

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I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the Dodge Envi could be the car if the Co. makes it through all this crap. Not my cup of tea but still very cool and definitely a game changer if executed properly.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0809_chrysler_envi_electric_vehicle_plans/index.html

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I am impressed with the Genesis Coupe on paper, although I don't think it will be another 240z.

I wasn't around back then, but I think for many Americans the 240Z was a bit of a shock and awe type milestone in that "wow, these Japanese can really make a good sports car!" kinda way. Unfortunately, I feel like Hyundai has been in front of us muddling around in the dark for years with things like the Tiburon that lacked any real inspiration, and it's left quite a bland taste in my mouth regarding Hyundai cars in general. Maybe if they had come out with a car like this way back then, things would have been different from my perspective.

The Z4 is a nice car, and an inline six to boot, but I think at that price point it's not really anything similar to what the 240Z was in it's day.

These days I get much more excited by sports cars from low volume production companies... I guess I just like the idea of not seeing a carbon copy of my car at every other intersection. This is one of the things I love about my 240Z here in Texas.

Anyway, back on point, I don't think there will be another 240Z-like phenomenon, not the way the auto market is today.

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Don't write Hyundai off too quickly. I have a brother who years ago would walk before he would drive anything other than a Toyota. He traded his last Toyota in two cars ago on a Hyundai and now he will not drive anything else.

Remember that Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc. made cars in the Japanese market for decades before breaking into the big leagues. The Korean car companies have mostly had to learn on the fly. They have made their share of mistakes, the 20,000 mile non-warranted clutch in the V6 Tiberon comes to mind, but both Hyundai and KIA have come a really long way in a very short time.

They will be the companies that Nissan will really have to compete with on the world stage in the upcoming generation. (Until the Chinese and Indian companies hit it big.)

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I don't think there are any huge gaps that a car manufacturer can slide into to make a landmark car. High end technology coming to the general masses seems to be the closest thing. That is why I ordered a 370Z with Sport Package (Revmatching) to drive along with our 240Zs. I also like the Lotus Evora, but I'm not sure the Lucas electronics are reliable enough not to leave me stranded.

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I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the Dodge Envi could be the car if the Co. makes it through all this crap. Not my cup of tea but still very cool and definitely a game changer if executed properly.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0809_chrysler_envi_electric_vehicle_plans/index.html

The Dodge ENVI is vaporware. Not only will it never make it to production, it's not a Dodge. They stuck a Dodge badge on a Lotus Europa. :finger:

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There will be no 'next 240Z', whatever that means. The present state of the economy and of the auto industry just aren't conducive to such a thing nor would it appear that any of them are attempting to accomplish such a thing. They're just hoping to sell cars.

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All I can say is watch out for the FIAT group.....will be interesting to see what they do once they get Chrysler and GM Europe, also rumor they may be interested in Saturn. Can you say ABARTH :D

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Subaru WRXs and Mitsu Evos are the only thing I can think of that hit our market like a bomb earlier this decade. The cars have solid lines tracing to top racing series, and they have a huge and fiercly loyal following. I'd say that if the internet is any indiactor to how big a success a car is with enthusiasts, just take a look at the member count on nasioc.com. Besides all that, talk about two cars that took their makers from bland to hot here in the US with the intruduction of just one model apiece.

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All I can say is watch out for the FIAT group.....will be interesting to see what they do once they get Chrysler and GM Europe, also rumor they may be interested in Saturn. Can you say ABARTH :D

Reminds me of a radio show I was listening to in Ancorage Alaska, they were listing the most "Un-cool" things in the world, After taxes, Late fees, and the fact that a doctor still gets paid when he or she is wrong, came the finishing comment "and anything Fiat!". My buddy just howled at that, my car of choice at the time was a SCCA prepared Fiat X1/9 with tires that were wider than they were tall! That was one fun car-it would out handle anything I had driven to that point-it was seriously underpowered for all of its grip, but once moving you didn't have to slow down for corners-and it was the only car in stock form to meet the soon to be mandated federal crash requirements, granting it the claim of the safest car on the road at the time it was introduced!

I think the next car to identify and fill awide open niche will be a comparitively inexpensive electric, with suprisingly good performance, comfort, safety, and price. It will be the car that the big three should have made instead of nursing on big oil!

Will

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Let's see:

- Affordable rear wheel drive sports vehicle.

- Plenty of mods available (from light to heavy).

- Solid racetrack presence.

- Iconic looks.

- Sold enough units that it's pervasive (and like the Z, will never be that valuable).

- Resale is cheap enough that high school kids can afford to pick one up cheap and have some fun.

Hate to say it but although we may not love the performance off the dealer's lot, it's the MX-5/Miata.

Another once in a generation affordable sports car.

Not sure what the next one will be.

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The world will never be the same as it was when the Z first hit American shores. I'm a bit off topic here, but for me, there just aren't any new car designs, except for some European exotics, that really stir my soul. The era of automobiles with beautiful design lines, which haven't been overly messaged in the corporate board room, is over. Style has become secondary to aerodynamics. Perhaps this is almost "rightly so". I went to a little local car show recently. There were E type Jags, MGs, vintage Ferarris, Morgans, Alfas, and the like. A tail light on any one of these cars has more style than almost any entire car built in the last 20 years. So where do you go for affordability, performance and trend setting good looks? I gotta go to my garage, and get into my orange time capsule. Sometimes, after I wash her, take her for a spin, park her in the garage, and go inside, I'll go back out to the garage, just to look at her again. My wife doesn't understand. Most people don't understand, and they never will. But WE do;)!

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Let's see:

- Affordable rear wheel drive sports vehicle.

- Plenty of mods available (from light to heavy).

- Solid racetrack presence.

- Iconic looks.

- Sold enough units that it's pervasive (and like the Z, will never be that valuable).

- Resale is cheap enough that high school kids can afford to pick one up cheap and have some fun.

Hate to say it but although we may love the performance off the dealer's lot, it's the MX-5/Miata.

Another once in a generation affordable sports car.

Not sure what the next one will be.

Exactly what I was thinking. Also remember that there was a waiting list for the Miata for the first year or so after it was introduced. Resale values were very high the first several years. Highly touted by the motoring press as a great bang for the buck value. Sound familiar?

I agree with Will though that an affordable electric sports car could be the next game changer if they can ever make one affordable enough.

-Mike

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The world will never be the same as it was when the Z first hit American shores. I'm a bit off topic here, but for me, there just aren't any new car designs, except for some European exotics, that really stir my soul. The era of automobiles with beautiful design lines, which haven't been overly messaged in the corporate board room, is over. Style has become secondary to aerodynamics. Perhaps this is almost "rightly so". I went to a little local car show recently. There were E type Jags, MGs, vintage Ferarris, Morgans, Alfas, and the like. A tail light on any one of these cars has more style than almost any entire car built in the last 20 years. So where do you go for affordability, performance and trend setting good looks? I gotta go to my garage, and get into my orange time capsule. Sometimes, after I wash her, take her for a spin, park her in the garage, and go inside, I'll go back out to the garage, just to look at her again. My wife doesn't understand. Most people don't understand, and they never will. But WE do;)!

Beautifully put - ahmen...

I would only add: In addition to exceptional styling and affordable performance the Datsun 240-Z fit the average American like a glove, in both size and utility. A Sports/GT that could eat up thousands and thousands of miles crisscrossing America, while delivering its driver and passenger comfortably refreshed at the end.

The additional utility of its cavernous hatch back and its daily driver comfort and reliability put its value to its owners - far in front of any other offerings at the time. Still true today...

The beauty of the 240-Z is far more than skin deep. If the Crossfire had the room and comfort that the 240-Z had, my wife and I would have been driving it home... We actually went to the Chrysler Dealer to buy one... Couldn't recline the seat backs more than a couple degrees, it had about half the cargo area of 240-Z, and less shoulder room,overall we felt cramped in it ... damn... We went home very disappointed....

FWIW,

Carl B.

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And I thought I was the only one to go back out to the garage and admire the looks of the Z after having been in it all day. I feel much better now! Thanks! And you are right about the wives, the just don't get it.

The world will never be the same as it was when the Z first hit American shores. I'm a bit off topic here, but for me, there just aren't any new car designs, except for some European exotics, that really stir my soul. The era of automobiles with beautiful design lines, which haven't been overly messaged in the corporate board room, is over. Style has become secondary to aerodynamics. Perhaps this is almost "rightly so". I went to a little local car show recently. There were E type Jags, MGs, vintage Ferarris, Morgans, Alfas, and the like. A tail light on any one of these cars has more style than almost any entire car built in the last 20 years. So where do you go for affordability, performance and trend setting good looks? I gotta go to my garage, and get into my orange time capsule. Sometimes, after I wash her, take her for a spin, park her in the garage, and go inside, I'll go back out to the garage, just to look at her again. My wife doesn't understand. Most people don't understand, and they never will. But WE do;)!

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I agree with Will though that an affordable electric sports car could be the next game changer if they can ever make one affordable enough.

-Mike

Hi Guys:

Please let me know when you can buy an electric sports car that you can jump into and drive from Seattle to Tampa in 48 hours. At that point you'll be driving a hydrogen fuel cell, supported by all filing stations with a gasoline, diesel and hydrogen pump... circa 2075.

I suppose if think of a "sports car" as one you don't want to go much farther than 50 miles at time, or one that can weight over 4,000lbs to carry the batteries... it might work for you.

IMHO - The next affordable "sports car" that will shake the world - will be one that weights less than 2000lbs and is powered by a very small displacement turbo diesel. If China cranks up the baking ovens, they could produce a full carbon fiber/aluminum honeycomb Sports/GT that would be a game changer... most likely from VW..

FWIW,

Carl B.

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The world will never be the same as it was when the Z first hit American shores. I'm a bit off topic here, but for me, there just aren't any new car designs, except for some European exotics, that really stir my soul. The era of automobiles with beautiful design lines, which haven't been overly messaged in the corporate board room, is over. Style has become secondary to aerodynamics. Perhaps this is almost "rightly so". I went to a little local car show recently. There were E type Jags, MGs, vintage Ferarris, Morgans, Alfas, and the like. A tail light on any one of these cars has more style than almost any entire car built in the last 20 years. So where do you go for affordability, performance and trend setting good looks? I gotta go to my garage, and get into my orange time capsule. Sometimes, after I wash her, take her for a spin, park her in the garage, and go inside, I'll go back out to the garage, just to look at her again. My wife doesn't understand. Most people don't understand, and they never will. But WE do;)!

Adam, It sure is nice to hear from another Z nut that feels the same thrill about the Classic Z as I do :) Couldn't have said it better myself :D

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Couldn't recline the seat backs more than a couple degrees

Sounds like the seats in a series one to me. You should have felt right at home :classic:

-Mike

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Sounds like the seats in a series one to me. You should have felt right at home :classic:

-Mike

True, but for me, I can get the right position. I'm 5'9", with fairly short legs. I had my seats refoamed and new strapping below. They pretty good for that era. Make note: Do not Armor All your seats!-or anything else, for that matterLOL.

-adamr

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Sounds like the seats in a series one to me. You should have felt right at home :classic:

-Mike

Hi Mike:

The rear deck area was so high in Crossfire - that it prevented the seat back from reclining more than just a couple degrees.. If you were willing to crank the nob - the Series I/II seats would lay back.

FWIW,

Carl B.

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I actually want to change my vote to Miata as well. It has Many of the same characteristics of the Z, right down to copying the good European designs.

I cant think of a better future collectible. It has all the right pieces there.

And just for the record, yes, I do stare at my Z for untold minutes.

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I actually want to change my vote to Miata as well. It has Many of the same characteristics of the Z, right down to copying the good European designs.

I cant think of a better future collectible. It has all the right pieces there.

And just for the record, yes, I do stare at my Z for untold minutes.

I'll agree with you that the Miata design is nice. It's evolution has stayed true to the original, and the lines are good. It doesn't move me (that wasn't the original point), but does fit the criteria of the original post, although it's not "new".

I forgot about the Honda S2000! Great car. Too bad it has been shelved:ogre:.

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Personally, I think this one will fit the bill.

Sure, it's only got three wheels and a jet fighter seating configuration, and most likely almost zero storage space, but...

For those that don't want to go to the page, here are the basics:

0-60, 6 seconds.

100 miles to the gallon (small ICE powers generator. Electric motors propel vehicle)

Top speed over 100 mph.

Priced around $18,000 (hybrid)/$23,000 (all electric-200 mile range)

http://www.gizmag.com/go/6842/

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