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When you want to weld something, clean it thoroughly on both sides.. (in one of the last pics i see you did not clean the blue part..)  It's not just that you can weld it much better, the fumes are toxic and you only have one set of lungs .. Never inhale those fumes of welding, aluminum is even (much) worse than stealwelding.. you really need a extractor hood.

I often blow some compressed air over a weld when it's cooled down a bit, ( get some "clean" air at your workplace)  always good to have the compr. air at hand... when something gets on fire you simply blow it out. Also always a fire-extinguisher at hand is standard. (at least a bucket of water.) 

And don't do it like this guy, welding near or under flammable stuff...

WOW !! 

 

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This week I removed the sound deadening/tar mat from the car as preparation for blasting. To be honest I was really dreading this job but in the end it was actually not that bad! 

I ordered 5kg of dry ice for the occasion.
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This worked an absolute charm for the boot area. Leave the ice on the matting for a couple of minutes and you can start to hear it cracking. Then use a scraper and it comes off in big slabs.

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the transmission tunnel area is much more difficult, dry ice can be used on the top flat surfaces but doesn’t work on the sides, I tried hanging plastic bags with dry ice in them but it just doesn’t get as cold…

for the sides of the transmission tunnel a heat gun and scraper worked great for me, trick was to get it hot enough to lift off the metal but not so hot that it melts completely.

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and end results…

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still finishing up the bracing, only managed to add a cross brace for the rear of the car as I’m going to remove the entire rear valance. 

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38 minutes ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

I ordered 5kg of dry ice for the occasion.

Good presentation. Thanks.  A few questions:

  • What was the cost of the dry ice?  You would have paid in Australian $, of course.
  • How was it packaged for transport?
  • How did you handle it when working with it in the shop...  gloves?  garden trowel? 
  • Was 5 kg enough?
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On 8/12/2022 at 9:49 PM, Namerow said:

Good presentation. Thanks.  A few questions:

  • What was the cost of the dry ice?  You would have paid in Australian $, of course.
  • How was it packaged for transport?
  • How did you handle it when working with it in the shop...  gloves?  garden trowel? 
  • Was 5 kg enough?

It was $50 Aussie for 5kg, it was just in a polystyrene cooler, and I used my welding gloves to handle it. 5kg was just enough to do all the flat surfaces

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I’ve been on a bit of a roll lately working on the car. It feels really good to actually be making some progress. 2/3 more days and the car will be ready for the blaster.

today I wrapped up the bracing. I added reinforcements to the rocker panel and tied that into the main brace, then tied the roof corners to the main brace. It might be overkill but I already paid for the steel a long time ago so figured I might as well use it….

the blaster is gonna hate me though… i hope he’s a skinny fellow…

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also had a bit of extra time so started unpicking the dodgy bros repairs on the rear slam panel. Mmmm crunchy….

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A bit scary to see..  lots of scaffolding/bracing haha.. remember you have to make all parts fit before painting, then you can see what fit's what doesn't, you make a lot of braces but i think it just a lot of unnecessary work..

I hope the car.. what's left of it...   doesn't scare you to much when it comes back from the blaster!

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27 minutes ago, dutchzcarguy said:

A bit scary to see..  lots of scaffolding/bracing haha.. remember you have to make all parts fit before painting, then you can see what fit's what doesn't, you make a lot of braces but i think it just a lot of unnecessary work..

I hope the car.. what's left of it...   doesn't scare you to much when it comes back from the blaster!

no one has seen the car in person and how damn rusty she is. 

I’m removing a lot of the main panels that provide structural rigidity to the body before I send it to the blaster, so I don’t see it as unnecessary, I see it as insurance.

Cheap insurance. No one can say what the strength is of the chassis currently and that the rear quarter panel will remove 5% rigidity to the RHS. No one really knows. So if I waste some 25mm SHS and a couple of days so be it.

im not very optimistic about what will come back from the blaster…

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29 minutes ago, dutchzcarguy said:

Btw.. do i see some welding in the floor, has it already had a new floor? (near the mid-tunnel.. right side of it..)

I don’t think so, I believe they are the original floors, the line you see is the line where the sound deadening finished

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18 hours ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

I’m removing a lot of the main panels that provide structural rigidity to the body before I send it to the blaster

I'm asking myself what you mean by that.. I guess i see that one of these days then..?

18 hours ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

I see it as insurance.

Yeah your right, if the construction gets to weak then it's better to brace it..

I'm curious how far you go with the removing of parts...

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On 8/25/2022 at 3:12 PM, dutchzcarguy said:

I'm asking myself what you mean by that.. I guess i see that one of these days then..?

Yeah your right, if the construction gets to weak then it's better to brace it..

I'm curious how far you go with the removing of parts...

Im planning to remove the roof skin, both rear quarters, complete rear beaver/valance panel, and I will be cutting majority of the rocker panels open, not that theres much left to cut....

this way internal structures can be blasted and coated properly. 

Im planning to hopefully get brand new quarters from KFVJDM, i will need to get a mortgage for shipping to australia......😬

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On 8/27/2022 at 5:45 PM, dutchzcarguy said:

Sorry but that's funny..😂

Oh well, well begun is half done.  And you are making a good start to open up every nook and cravice!

even cars from dry states that dont have much visible rust are rusting on the inside, so for me i want to ensure the internal structures are done, i don't want to take shortcuts and then have rust pop through my new paint job a couple of years later.... do it once, do it right.

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6 hours ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

rusting on the inside,

Yeah i know, my 240z came from california and had 2 x 2,5mm steel floor parts.. weight about 25 kg (55Lbs) ! Hahaha..  "they"  had repaired the floor with steel... reel steel haha, i took it out and there was about 50 kg steel on the floor, put some 1mm steel sheet in and that's 22 years ago this year..  It's still good but it needs some new paint under there.. maybe next year..

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Progress has been steady lately, but the deeper I get into this the more I feel like throwing in the towel… you will see why shortly…

unpicked the beaver panel today, all went well with no surprises. Now I will have good access to repair the box section behind it.

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couldn’t resist putting the replacement piece on to see

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moved onto the roof skin next. As I began I felt a sense of impending doom…

wire wheeled the rain rail to reveal the spot welds.

before 

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after 

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ah no, Your eyes do not deceive you, that is a giant frickin hole over the A pillar. Gazing into the darkness of this chasm I felt like my soul was being pulled from my body along with all my motivation for this project….

it was like gazing into the eye of Sauron himself….

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Where the roof skin joins the rear quarter was also a huge hole. I’m yet to perform the archeological dig to extract the bog artifact from its resting place 

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I didn’t even bother trying to unpick the spot welds, I just cut what little metal was left. Then I did a lot of swearing, bird flipping and inanimate object abusing. 

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then I unpicked the rear of the roof skin. I used a 25mm scraper blade to help check if the panels were separated and to separate the last bits that were holding on, this allowed me to do minimal damage to either panel. I found it incredibly useful.

I found the roof skin was tacked the roof structure in the corners where they couldn’t get the spot welder, I believe this is from factory if anyone can confirm. 

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so halfway to having the roof off now, should knock it off next session, then start tackling the rear quarter panels. 

I feel like Captain America, I keep getting beat to the ground by this car, but somehow I manage to pick myself up and utter “I can do this all day….” But lately I’ve been getting ever so close to throwing in the towel. 

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2 hours ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

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Progress has been steady lately, but the deeper I get into this the more I feel like throwing in the towel… you will see why shortly…

unpicked the beaver panel today, all went well with no surprises. Now I will have good access to repair the box section behind it.

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couldn’t resist putting the replacement piece on to see

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moved onto the roof skin next. As I began I felt a sense of impending doom…

wire wheeled the rain rail to reveal the spot welds.

before 

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after 

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ah no, Your eyes do not deceive you, that is a giant frickin hole over the A pillar. Gazing into the darkness of this chasm I felt like my soul was being pulled from my body along with all my motivation for this project….

it was like gazing into the eye of Sauron himself….

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Where the roof skin joins the rear quarter was also a huge hole. I’m yet to perform the archeological dig to extract the bog artifact from its resting place 

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I didn’t even bother trying to unpick the spot welds, I just cut what little metal was left. Then I did a lot of swearing, bird flipping and inanimate object abusing. 

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then I unpicked the rear of the roof skin. I used a 25mm scraper blade to help check if the panels were separated and to separate the last bits that were holding on, this allowed me to do minimal damage to either panel. I found it incredibly useful.

I found the roof skin was tacked the roof structure in the corners where they couldn’t get the spot welder, I believe this is from factory if anyone can confirm. 

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so halfway to having the roof off now, should knock it off next session, then start tackling the rear quarter panels. 

I feel like Captain America, I keep getting beat to the ground by this car, but somehow I manage to pick myself up and utter “I can do this all day….” But lately I’ve been getting ever so close to throwing in the towel. 

Looks like you’re making headway. Awesome!

Trouble is, I use a dark theme, and when you post the text gets formatted black, and the dark theme doesn’t correct dark text to a lighter color, and I can’t read your comments.

It looks like this:

 

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That's always hard to see when you dig into a project. Anytime you see rust bubbles,  just assume there's a hole behind it. Almost always is...

At some point the surprises will end and you will start getting nice new metal in place

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WOW, just... WOW!!  Even the roof is rotten away..  I had a 240z with doors.. the lower sides were made of putty..  I made by hand some new doors (lower parts)  and it was A LOT of work but worth it..

I believe i told you in the beginning to look close at every panel before you put one dollar into this project, but don't be sad.. there are many guys that fell for a wreck and had to buy themselves another car..  I think to restore this one it's gonna take A LOT of (Very expensive) parts, can't you buy a better one and keep the parts from this one for spareparts?  I have had one for spareparts and it was a big plus!

How is your 280zx? daily driver?

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On 9/14/2022 at 11:16 PM, Racer X said:

Trouble is, I use a dark theme

Yes you’ve mentioned this, I must remember to type my post out here and then copy to my Aussie forum. But surely this is an easy fix for whoever is managing the site? 
 

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14 hours ago, Patcon said:

disagree with dutchzcarguy. These cars are rare in Australia. Most of these parts are readily availabl, albeit not local. Find a roof skin and push on ahead!

You’re right patcon they are rare over here and even more so in Western Australia.

good news though is I already have a donor roof! 

On 9/15/2022 at 3:51 PM, dutchzcarguy said:

can't you buy a better one and keep the parts from this one for spareparts?  I have had one for spareparts and it was a big plus!

I have thought about buying another one but any car I buy will probably be restored, not many survivor cars this neck of the woods, and so I will have no idea what’s under the paint or the quality of the repairs and just find myself back where I started. With a rusty Datsun. Plus I would be spending a minimum of 40,000 to 50,000. The cheap unfinished projects are extremely rare in my state.

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7 minutes ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

Yes you’ve mentioned this, …..
 

I did?

Sorry, eh? My memory is going.

No worries, I don’t think it is anything you’re doing, but rather an anomaly of the forum software.

 

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Just now, Racer X said:

I did?

Sorry, eh? My memory is going.

No worries, I don’t think it is anything you’re doing, but rather an anomaly of the forum software.

 

Yeah lol

ita because I’m copying it from the Aussie forum. So it’s rich text. I’ll try to remember to write my posts on here first. As there’s no dark version on the Aussie one. 

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Just now, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

Yeah lol

ita because I’m copying it from the Aussie forum. So it’s rich text. I’ll try to remember to write my posts on here first. As there’s no dark version on the Aussie one. 

Aha!

That might be it then.

 

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