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I was looking going that's not a car from Vegas. Then I saw the paperwork, came out of Oregon. Lot's of rust! Needs a quarter, floors, dog legs, probably rockers and battery tray too, but a really early car. $5k already

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12 hours ago, Patcon said:

I was looking going that's not a car from Vegas. Then I saw the paperwork, came out of Oregon. Lot's of rust! Needs a quarter, floors, dog legs, probably rockers and battery tray too, but a really early car. $5k already

Agreed. Way too rusty and missing its original matching-numbers engine. Even in the bad shape it's in, the car will probably end selling for more than $7k due to its sub-200 VIN.

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13 hours ago, 240260280 said:

My Vin 147 is 12/69 so it must have hung up in the factory if  VIN181 is 11/69

Yeah, HLS30-00147 definitely should have been an 11/69 production car, so it must have been held up for some reason,   I have four later cars with 11/69 production dates, the latest being #480, which ironically I think was one of the first 20 shipped to the US. based on the service history.  The first BRE car was also in the first group of 20 cars sent to the US and it was vin #492..  #480 was a CA emissions car which may have been why it was one of the first shipped since the shipment came into the port of Los Angeles..

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That is interesting Mike.  Do you know when that shipment arrived in LA?   I thought it was in January but Brock said he got his first Z after Sharp (Who got his in February).

 

With respect to delays, a club member once owned #48. It  had a 02/70 date so it must have had some significant  issues for a 5 month delay.

 

It is interesting that so many early cars keep popping up. A testament to how well they were built and how loved they were and are.

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3 hours ago, 240260280 said:

It is interesting that so many early cars keep popping up. A testament to how well they were built and how loved they were and are.

I think it’s about the money at this point. Honestly, if the values have not increased to the levels they are at who would take on such a project. 

Of course there are those who just love the challenge of a restore.  I keep thinking about the tractor guys, who spend thousands of dollars restoring a tractor that is only worth 3k when done. They just love tractors.  

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4 hours ago, 240260280 said:

That is interesting Mike.  Do you know when that shipment arrived in LA?   I thought it was in January but Brock said he got his first Z after Sharp (Who got his in February).

 

With respect to delays, a club member once owned #48. It  had a 02/70 date so it must have had some significant  issues for a 5 month delay.

 

It is interesting that so many early cars keep popping up. A testament to how well they were built and how loved they were and are.

The November 1970 issue of Road and Track has a cover story on the BRE 240z and it said the BRE car came from the first shipment of 20 cars that arrived in LA in January 1970.  The first service on my #480 was done on 2/11/70 at 667 miles.  The really interesting thing to me is the service was done at "N.M.C. in USA" (Nissan Motor Corporation USA) , as were the next three services through 9/16/70 at 7,283 miles.

Yes, I'm familiar with Gab's old #48 car.  Jim Frederick brought it from him.  It was originally a US (WA state) car that Gab bought and restored when he was in Vancouver.  He found some really rare parts when he was restoring the car, like a NOS set of rubber mats.

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23 hours ago, Patcon said:

I was looking going that's not a car from Vegas. Then I saw the paperwork, came out of Oregon. Lot's of rust! Needs a quarter, floors, dog legs, probably rockers and battery tray too, but a really early car. $5k already

Prob more rust, if you have it dipped or soda blasted... you can see what's really left of it :O

Yeah to bad the engine is not there..

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6 hours ago, 240260280 said:

That is interesting Mike.  Do you know when that shipment arrived in LA?   I thought it was in January but Brock said he got his first Z after Sharp (Who got his in February).

 

With respect to delays, a club member once owned #48. It  had a 02/70 date so it must have had some significant  issues for a 5 month delay.

 

It is interesting that so many early cars keep popping up. A testament to how well they were built and how loved they were and are.

More low VIN's will keep popping up I'm sure. Some just haven't been discovered yet..  Back in the day people just parked them or left them in a barn somewhere when repairs got to much and never looked back..

 

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3 hours ago, Mike B said:

The November 1970 issue of Road and Track has a cover story on the BRE 240z and it said the BRE car came from the first shipment of 20 cars that arrived in LA in January 1970.  The first service on my #480 was done on 2/11/70 at 667 miles.  The really interesting thing to me is the service was done at "N.M.C. in USA" (Nissan Motor Corporation USA) , as were the next three services through 9/16/70 at 7,283 miles.

Yes, I'm familiar with Gab's old #48 car.  Jim Frederick brought it from him.  It was originally a US (WA state) car that Gab bought and restored when he was in Vancouver.  He found some really rare parts when he was restoring the car, like a NOS set of rubber mats.

I could have bought #48 for $19k when he put it up for sale.... it hurts!  No money at the time otherwise life would be a little different. 

Q: Did you get that NOS water pump from the guy in PEI's Ebay auction?

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12 hours ago, 240260280 said:

I could have bought #48 for $19k when he put it up for sale.... it hurts!  No money at the time otherwise life would be a little different. 

Q: Did you get that NOS water pump from the guy in PEI's Ebay auction?

Yeah, I talked to Gab about buying it too, but the timing wasn't right for me then either .  No,  I haven't bought a NOS water pump in several years, but I think I do have one or two.

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The car sold for $9,200

That's a good number for that car. This gives some perspective on the 3 cars in the field which are likely not much rustier but a little higher VIN numbers

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13 hours ago, Patcon said:

The car sold for $9,200

That's a good number for that car. This gives some perspective on the 3 cars in the field which are likely not much rustier but a little higher VIN numbers

That's higher than I expected it would go for considering the large amount of rust damage and the non-matching engine number. However, the winning bid does make a statement about the rise in value of the '69 production 240Zs, Series I 240Zs and all 240Zs in general. 

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1 hour ago, lonetreesteve said:

That's higher than I expected it would go for considering the large amount of rust damage and the non-matching engine number. However, the winning bid does make a statement about the rise in value of the '69 production 240Zs, Series I 240Zs and all 240Zs in general. 

Me too. I thought it wouldn't go much higher than the $5200 it was at when I first saw it. I thought $7000 would have been really good considering the missing engine and the extent of the damage. $9200 is a really strong number

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2 hours ago, CanTechZ said:

181 is available again, this time on BAT at no reserve. It will be interesting to see what it goes for this time.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-28/

 

I get the feeling that it won't go as high as $9200.00 as it did on on eBay. Makes me wonder what happened with the eBay auction winner and any of the "second chance" bidders that had an opportunity to buy the car.

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What's considered an early car, where's the line? Manufactured in '69 or double digits, triple digits?

I would consider the first 500 as Carl Beck has previously noted however as time marches on, we see fewer and fewer (and appreciate more and more) of the 1970 and early 1971 model years.  We make reference and distinction between the "Series I" and "Series II"  builds quite often.  I would have to suggest that a "Series I" car is considered an early car.  To me, if the car has hatch vents, it's an early car.

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I would put this in a museum and leave as is... ( engine and gearbox out ) for future generations.

I don't see a point in restoring something with a non matching engine to it..

Cool to say you got 181, but what's the point ?

 

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8 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

I would put this in a museum and leave as is... ( engine and gearbox out ) for future generations.

I don't see a point in restoring something with a non matching engine to it..

Cool to say you got 181, but what's the point ?

 

I totally see the point of restoring it! I even considered it myself...

I don't know about anybody else but I don't search over peoples cars at a car show to verify the numbers match. If the engine bay is period correct I suspect almost nobody would know if the engine number matched or not. If the engine bay plate is still in the car you would know what number motor you were looking for. You could even re-manufacture a block with the correct numbers as long as you disclosed the fact it was not the original motor, although future owners might not be that ethical.

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BaT says that's a no reserve auction. So will it really sell for $800 if that's the final auction amount? Or will the seller cancel the auction at the last minute like they do on Ebay. I would give you $800 for that car all day long, even if it is half way across the country

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7 hours ago, Patcon said:

I totally see the point of restoring it! I even considered it myself...

I don't know about anybody else but I don't search over peoples cars at a car show to verify the numbers match. If the engine bay is period correct I suspect almost nobody would know if the engine number matched or not. If the engine bay plate is still in the car you would know what number motor you were looking for. You could even re-manufacture a block with the correct numbers as long as you disclosed the fact it was not the original motor, although future owners might not be that ethical.

I can see your point here, but people who are in the classic car business, would disagree with that... real collectors would want matching numbers

Would regular people at a car show care about VIN numbers ? I think you'r right in that part.. NO

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I registered with BaT when it was still $800. Finished at $6,200 well outside of my reach, which is good. I didn't really need another project sitting around!

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