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1970 240Z HLS30- 06026 For Sale (original)

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The reason for my request for personal conversation is as follows: 

1) what additional pictures does the potential buyer need

2) Understanding the car is in AZ

3) What maintenance documents would the potential buyer want to see 

4) Etc 

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19 hours ago, Mike said:

There were some willing buyers at the posted price, but, the seller may have come here to simply inquire on the car's value.  I get the impression that @tse4me may not be up-to-date on what's happening with these cars, but, most of the frequent members of this site do.  It would be fair, and the right thing, for our members to share our impression of what a car like this should sell for.

@tse4me, it looks like you have a few numbers to work with in this thread.  There are a few buyers at the price you posted above ($9k) and I saw that someone mentioned a $15k price (I don't think it was a bid... more like an estimate based on the photos).  The next move is up to you, but, I think you could sell the car to a member of this site knowing the car would find a good home.

It's times like these that I wish I had my auction software online. :)

Mike

Mike, i am going to dis-agree with you on that. the op's first post clearly states the car is for sale at "8-9K". i still believe he should stand by his post and sell it for what he advertised. my dos centavosB)

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14 hours ago, Zed Head said:

I think that DZman is your competition luial.  He joined just to make that one post.  He's a potential buyer.

Let the game begin.  Interested to find out what the secrets are that must be disclosed via personal conversation.

Secrets?  You mean like the pleat and rolled upholstery on the door panels and the deleted hood emblem?  At what serial number did the newer style slotted spoke steering wheel show up on the 1970 Z?  I love a good Z story.

Dennis

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2 hours ago, psdenno said:

>>>> At what serial number did the newer style slotted spoke steering wheel show up on the 1970 Z?  I love a good Z story.

Dennis

Not sure on the exact SN but both my 7/70 HLS3006521 and 12/70 (parts car) HLS3016531 have the early steering wheel without the perforations in the indents.

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12 hours ago, sweatybetty said:

Mike, i am going to dis-agree with you on that. the op's first post clearly states the car is for sale at "8-9K". i still believe he should stand by his post and sell it for what he advertised. my dos centavosB)

Yeah I did NOT mean to imply his decision to back out of the original price was the right thing to do...... ;)  I was trying to make everybody happy (as usual). 

I still think we should help this car find a good home. I am interested in seeing someone from this club, or a potential new member, buy this car and restore it. The seller owns it now but he is obviously interested in getting rid of it. Let's do our part and get this CLASSIC Z get to a good home.

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 As soon as I saw the original post I knew this  would stir up a hornets nest! Looks like the holes for hood emblem are there, and the steering wheel is correct, no cut outs. Only thing I can see is reupholstered door panels. I have a bunch of old emblems in good condition for whoever buys it!

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I've made two attempts to contact the seller starting two weeks ago and have had no response yet.

I think the car was priced a little low and prob more in the $12k-$13k range based on the condition from pics. Considering shipping costs for out of state buyers, I would say it would have been a great buy.

If the seller was not sure about pricing the car, then he should not have listed a price that he was looking to get.

Suggestion to the seller the next time you want to sell a car and don't know the value, list the car on eBay with a million dollar reserve, start the auction at a penny and see what it ends for. That will give you an idea of what people are willing to pay for it with no risk to you.

 

 

 

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Thanks for the ebay advice. Since I don't have alot of experience selling a car via the social media method, I am sorry to this group for the confusion. The car is still available 

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You can also check out Bring A Trailer auction site. They require some up front investment but might be worth it.

I highly recommend replacing the door panels before you list it anywhere else. Those things are hideous and will affect the price. A $500 investment in the door panels should be recouped in the sales price.

Whatever you end up doing, please pass our club referral to the new owner because we would love to see what happens with this car and any restoration progress resulting from the sale. Good luck!

Mike


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Having been away, I guess I feel a little more emboldened to weigh in here.  While I get the negative feelings towards OP (I was also shocked at the price), keep in mind that it's in his right to back out of a sale.  He's not betrothed to ANYONE but himself, and no one should fault him for that.  It seems to me that when you think you are getting a great deal, and it changes, there's a sense of "what if?".

But that's unfair to the OP - I agree with Mike, I don't think he was being a jerk, he simply didn't know any better.

Having spent MANY years (and over 20,000 posts) on Ferrari Chat, I can tell you that forum-based classified ads are ALWAYS a hornet's nest.  Invariably, somebody with an attitude will nitpick a car ("that's not the original widget for that year!") or knock the seller ("you are priced too high!") - it's a **** show.  I had this discussion with Ferrari Chat's owner, and I'm saying it here for Mike to see...I haven't posted in a long time, so the forum classifieds are new to me.  I remember DatsunClassified.com, that's a better vehicle unless there are clear rules not to post commentary other than questions about the car and inquiries.

The bigger fear, folks, is that you'll scare away prospective sellers.  As these become more desirable and rare, that's not what we want.  I'm sick of seeing the garbage posted on Hemmings and fly by night flippers looking to make a buck.  It's hard enough trying to find a good car and give it a good home.

You can flame me, but I don't think this is a good practice.  Let's encourage the OP - put bad feelings aside - and let's see if someone here can give the car a good home.  I'm STRONGLY considering selling my Ferrari or my Jag E-Type to get back in the Z game, and a car like this would be of interest to me.  If we don't encourage non-members, we'd never get a shot...

FWIW.  Hoping OP sold it to a ClassicZCars member!!!  Either way GLWS!

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He hasn't been back since the 8th, about 24 days ago.  As was noted, once he sells the car he's gone forever.

It would be interesting to see who got it.

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Love the E-types. Dad almost got one back in the early 70's he passed on that for a new 260 2+2 (was warned about reliability issues with the Jag).

Also past on a 68 Shelby ( few years old and I bet a good price). The salesman took dad out for a spin, literally spinning the cars smoking the tires etc... Thanks guy, no way dad was going to bring that home to a couple of teens...

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I have sort of stayed out of this discussion but I tend to agree with @rdefabri if someone is ignorant of a fair price and then reconsiders their asking price, I don't hold that against them. Why should they hurt their family for a complete stranger, that may or may not complete the sale? The OP mentioned something about college tuition at some point. Also I take some of the "I'll take it" like I view everything on the internet; not a done deal until it's a done deal. People back out on Ebay sellers all the time after they agree to buy a car and that's with Ebay to try to help prevent that. What is the difference between a seller not completing a sale versus taking advantage of a sellers ignorance to the tune of 50-80%? To me it is merely perspective...

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On 10/26/2016 at 3:17 PM, tse4me said:

I have a 1970 240XZ for Sale. Located in Scottsdale. I will send pictures if interested. Vin is HLS30-06026. Car has been garaged for its life. It is original condition including radio and ash tray.  Runs great  Blue interior  Looking to get 8-9K for it.

Sure, you can talk values, morals, principles, philosophy, etc.  How far should we go?  Should we police the internet to make sure every seller gets maximum value, for their families?  He offered the car for a number and the offer was met.  He said "for Sale".  How much leeway do people get?

My initial point, way back in the thread, was that everything was fine at Post #1 and a few after, until people started chiming in with their opinions of what the car should sell for.  He could have sold it for his high number, left and not come back, and somebody here would be happy.  You can argue the other side and say that somebody lost the opportunity for "joy" for themselves because they couldn't afford to buy their dream car, after people not involved got involved.  It's a big old circle.  He didn't mention tuition until he needed to backtrack.  

Overall though, that's the risk of these forums.  People can chime in as much as they want until someone decides that their comments are abusive.

Still waiting to see who got it.  It is/was a nice car. 

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All I'm really saying above is that this whole thing is a matter of opinion.  I like to see people get good deals.

Here's the other other side also - people can chime in when they think the asking price is too high.  That would be fair, according to some of the opinions expressed here.  Let's see what happens when somebody does that.

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I think when people use @Mike 's forum to sale a Z they should make a donation for his work keeping this forum running smoothly.  

We all pick it apart and say if it's a deal or not and that has to affect the sale, good or bad (mostly good).  It's common sense leaving a good tip when you have good service.

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20 minutes ago, siteunseen said:

I think when people use @Mike 's forum to sale a Z they should make a donation for his work keeping this forum running smoothly.  

We all pick it apart and say if it's a deal or not and that has to affect the sale, good or bad (mostly good).  It's common sense leaving a good tip when you have good service.

I could give Mike some best practices gleaned from years over at Ferrari Chat, which is absolutely the best forum I've ever participated in.  Founder / owner is very involved, makes good money from the site, and polices the classifieds with some good rules.


FWIW

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I like to see the win-win. If the car is worth 15k and he sells it for 13k great, everybody is happy. If the car is worth 15k and he sells it for 8k he took a 47% hit. One's really happy and one got taken advantage of. If it was Jai selling Redbird and she offered her car at a 50% discount would we be supportive of somebody taking advantage of her ignorance. Would we fault her for re-evlauating since she lives on limited means and the difference in cash would be huge to her.... 

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It's a philosophical discussion at this point.  Calculating the number of teeth in the mouth of the dead horse we're beating.  Comparing Jai, who joined to share her car and experience with the club, and to get some help with it, to a guy who  joined only to sell his car isn't quite right though.  Not really the same type of people, I'd say.  And saying that somebody got taken advantage of because they sold their car for less than they could have squeezed out doesn't make sense.  If you were the buyer, would you offer him that difference?  An extra $7000 just to be fair, because you know it's the right thing to do?  If not, then the argument doesn't really hold up.

I'm not arguing just to argue, I just enjoy a good philosophy discussion.  Hope nobody is getting disturbed.,  No offense intended.

Maybe tse4me will come back and share the story of the sale of his car.  That would be nice of him, considering the help he got here.

@tse4me

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