Jump to content
240260280z

Chinese Junk rant

Recommended Posts

Spent a full day chasing my tail helping a friend with his newly imported California series 1. Just when it is tuned and on its way home the "micro" fuel pump fails but still buzzes. Made in China crap. Previously it was working fine. Ended up limping back to my place and scavenging from a few beater mechanical clackers, threw on a G2 filter, and it went on it's way.

I did improve my method for tuning fuel and balancing carbs so it was not so bad.

Edited by Blue

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK, not Z related, but Chinese crap related: Night before last, our security alarm kept going off in the middle of the night, until I finally had the sense not to re-arm it. The offending zone was a contact sensor on the garage door. The next day I went to diagnose it. It turns out that the reed switch had a resistance of 29 ohms when closed, and the circuitry to which it was wired couldn't decide whether that was open or closed.

A reed switch...

A Chinese reed switch...

I mean, how do you screw up making a reed switch? It's one of the simplest and most robust designs of switch there is.

Sadly, all reed switches seem to be made in China, so far as I'm aware. I replaced the offending Chinese reed switch with another Chinese reed switch whose contact resistance is of a fraction of an ohm. We can now set the alarm again without the system going off spontaneously at 4:00 AM. It was a $2 part that wasted one night's sleep and an hour of two of my time.

I wish we could start making stuff here in the US and Canada again. I'd buy it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yup that is the problem.

Watered down metal that oxidizes... it looks like reed switch and feels like a reed switch but it is not.... fake crap.

I bought a SS knife set for my apt when I worked in NJ. it rusts in the dishwasher.... fake Chinese stainless steel.

The business model is that the western world and huge Chinese and Indian markets will continually pay low prices for fake junk that may work for a short time but that we are too cheap and lazy to do anything when it fails but to buy another. It is a vicious addictive cycle where huge numbers of small financial transactions continually flow to China. We must all break this cycle or the junk will continue to proliferate just like the phone scammers will keep in business and tells us our internet is broken due to their success from enough fools amongst us to keep them in business.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cheap Junk - comes from the "businesses" that buy it from the factory - and resell it in the retail market.

High Quality - comes from the businesses that buy it from the factory - and resell it in the retail market.

The truth is that an ever growing number of Americans make their purchase decisions, based not on the quality of the products - but upon the quality of the advertising generating sales. They make their purchasing decisions based on ease of purchase and price.

Going to Home Depot is "ease of purchase". You can get everything you need in one location. In decades past you might have to go to the Hardware Store, the Lumber Yard, the Electrical Supply Company, the Plumbing Supply Company etc etc - - just to get one small home improvement project done.

Going to Home Depot instead of Lowes - might be a decision between "ease of purchase" or "lower price". So Home Depot and Lowes are always looking for lower priced items, and they are always building stores in the same towns/locations.

Bottom Line - it isn't Chinese Junk. As long as price remains the main element in purchasing.

China is building their own Space Station. In my opinion the highest quality personal computers, smart phones and portable music players - Apples products are almost all made in china. Yes, up front they seem to cost a bit more - but everything I've bought from them has been very reliable and all the hardware has easily out lived the technical life of its software. Because Apple buys high quality Chinese manufactured products - and resells them in the retail market.

Harbor Freight - plays both sides of the game. Much of what they sell is junk, some of what they sell is actually very high quality. For years now Harbor Freight's "US General" tool boxes have offered quality as good or better than other major manufacturers offerings - at half the price. This while old line, well known products were being made cheaper and cheaper - Sears Craftsman brand has all but destroyed itself by buying Chinese Cheap Junk - instead of buying much higher quality Chinese Products.

Just like Japan before it - sooner or later - more and more businesses will start to buy high quality products from Chinese Manufacturing Plants - and resell them in the retail market in America.

So if your fuel pump or security system are cheap junk - call it like it is - list the name of the company that is selling it.

FWIW,

Carl B.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to agree with Carl, it's American greed that dictates how stuff is made. If the vendor says' make it as cheaply as possible' , that's what the Chinese manufacture will do. It's the guy ordering the product that should be setting an assuring the quality of the product.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Carl, you raise some good points. And it's certainly worth remembering that Japan was once a purveyor of mostly cheap crap.

You say that we should speak in terms of the company and not the country, but that's nearly impossible in the case of China. There are zillions of mom-and-pop businesses in that economy, many of whom make parts for brands we might recognize. For instance, I might not hesitate too much to buy a piece of Yongnuo lighting equipment (for photography), but I realize it has scores of components from unknown Chinese sources that could easily fail the same way my reed switch did. Part of the problem is parts that deceive and specs that lie -- for instance canning a 35V-rated electrolytic capacitor in a 50V-labeled can (literally a complete, canned and labeled 35V cap placed into a larger, mislabeled can and sold for more money). I hope Chinese manufacture matures like Japanese manufacture did, but then there will always be another China to feed us cheap crap.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

China can make smart phones because of american design, german & american processes, western oversight, and german factory automation. Left to their own abilities, corruption, lack of laws, over population, congestion and different values (as a result of communism and gansterism) the products are not the Apple kind but more of a pesticide poisonous apple stuffed with paper and worms made by underpaid workers.

I do agree that western corporate sell outs and our weak spineless leaders (if you call them that) are also a significant factor.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey the germans are getting in on the cheap is better for profits too. I was shocked when i bought a new beetle. Rivets holding

the ring gear on, rivets holding the 2 piece flywheel together, plastic interior parts that crack when breathed on, headliners that

the fabric seperates from the cardboard liner..... and on and on. NOT what i was expecting from previously owning vw's built in the 60's

and 70's.

I use the made in china label as a great tool to keep my wife from buying crap that we don't need or will never use. yes she's a shopaholic but that stops her in her tracks EVERY time.

Alot of those dollars sent to china are coming back as business investment dollars when the chinese business owner decides he has big enough nest egg and fears the govt will take it all

away eventually in the next purge, he heads to the usa or canada to start a business there.

Canada did essentially the same thing in 97 when hong kong was handed back to china. Many of

the smart business owners fled WITH their money and started businesses in canada.

With whats happening in hong kong now, they are probably really glad they fled.

Edited by hr369

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

China can make smart phones because of american design, german & american processes, western oversight, and german factory automation. Left to their own abilities, corruption, lack of laws, over population, congestion and different values (as a result of communism and gansterism) the products are not the Apple kind but more of a pesticide poisonous apple stuffed with paper and worms made by underpaid workers.

"Left to their own abilities..." ? You're one small step away from looking like a xenophobic idiot with comments like that.

The last person I heard coming up with this "..all the Chinese do is copy" and "...we taught them everything they know" stuff was drinking tea from a porcelain cup that was decorated with faux Chinese scenes (it was made by Wedgwood). He was oblivious to the irony.

I presume you are too?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I worked for a Chinese company for 4.5 years.... I saw the anchor babies and the statistical improbability that all first born were male ~ 20 in a row... all born in the USA too. I know business owners whose businesses were taken from them by the Govt. and others who must pay gangsters to leave them alone. The mainland Chinese culture is very different and the formation of people who live within it is different. I resent being called xenophobic as I have good friends all over the world including China. Sadly many had their parents taken from them when they were young by the Govt. The country is one messed up place that worships money and relationships for advancing in the quagmire for the most part... humans, air, water, quality, honesty, law, faking do not matter much. Sadly for us, this environment produces a lot of junk and fake crap that fools us fools.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
"Left to their own abilities..." ? You're one small step away from looking like a xenophobic idiot with comments like that.

The last person I heard coming up with this "..all the Chinese do is copy" and "...we taught them everything they know" stuff was drinking tea from a porcelain cup that was decorated with faux Chinese scenes (it was made by Wedgwood). He was oblivious to the irony.

I presume you are too?

I worked for a Chinese company for 4.5 years.... I saw the anchor babies and the statistical improbability that all first born were male ~ 20 in a row... all born in the USA too. I know business owners whose businesses were taken from them by the Govt. and others who must pay gangsters to leave them alone. The mainland Chinese culture is very different and the formation of people who live within it is different. I resent being called xenophobic as I have good friends all over the world including China. Sadly many had their parents taken from them when they were young by the Govt. The country is one messed up place that worships money and relationships for advancing in the quagmire for the most part... humans, air, water, quality, honesty, law, faking do not matter much. Sadly for us, this environment produces a lot of junk and fake crap that fools us fools.

I hate to see two of our long-standing members quarreling like this. Let's try to set the example and word our posts a bit differently. Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The drywall screws from china leave steel splinters in my hands. Also i am sure you have heard of the mold that grows on there drywall. I got a check for 250 bucks from Lowes because i had bought some. I do like the food.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I see people buying stuff at the Dollar Tree like crazy. They don't care about "quality" stuff, and only care about cheap stuff. Nobody bothers reading the packaging these days.

Almost everything there has "Made in China" on the packaging, but the paper goods (plates, tissue, towels) and food items, and a lot of that stuff is "imported" or "distributed" by an American company. The $1 pocket knife I bought at the Dollar Tree fell apart the first time I tried cutting a box, and I ended up cutting myself.

You just have to be careful with whatever you buy. READ the packaging or the papers. LOOK at it all over for good design and good manufacturing. Also keep your receipts and warrantee cards for a year, and if you don't really like the product, tell the people who run store where you got it.You might even tell the BBB.

Edited by TomoHawk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had a double post here, but why waste a good reply.

Here's something funny to think about. The people complaining here are the same type that will complain about how expensive and hard-to-get things are when trade with China is tariff'ed down to nothing. That's how business works. The reason we can all run down to the one of three or four auto parts stores , open 'til 8 every night, and pick up a new part for a few dollars is China.

That's fun to think about.

Future thread -

RIPOFF Parts stores. "I went down to the only parts store in town, which is only open 10 -2, and had to pay $10 for my part that used to cost $2. What a rip! Stupid American union workers!!! I'm going to start importing black market parts from China. We need to do something about these overpaid ripoff American companies!"

Edited by Zed Head

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I hate to see two of our long-standing members quarreling like this. Let's try to set the example and word our posts a bit differently. Thanks.

Doesn't matter how you word things if you want people to join you in simplistic thinking. I'll bet that G2 filter he threw on there was made in China. Rationalize that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I got sucked in to this conversation, so would like to end with something more constructive, along the lines of the car-based advice we all tend to give to new members. There is no simple solution. You just have to put the work in to get the results. Complaining doesn't get anyone anywhere, and just makes everybody involved feel crappy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the "micro" fuel pump fails

Constructive - give us the brand name so that we can avoid the product.

Nonconstructive - vague generalization about country of origin.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I got sucked in to this conversation, so would like to end with something more constructive, along the lines of the car-based advice we all tend to give to new members. There is no simple solution. You just have to put the work in to get the results. Complaining doesn't get anyone anywhere, and just makes everybody involved feel crappy.

Also, quality tools are usually purchased once and used for a long time. For instance I have a Fluke multimeter that has held up well for close to 15 years. My brother still has my dad's old Simpson meter (in addition to a Fluke) that has held up great for close to 50 years.

Maybe a good thread would be to rate parts & tools, especially the quality tools.

Sometimes the inexpensive can be good, too. I bought new front turn signal lenses and gaskets from Blackdragon Auto. They were much cheaper than the competition, fit well, and gave me no problems. They look really good, too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fluke Corporation is an interesting example of how the off-shore manufacturing model could work. I bought mine about seven years ago, a lower-end 115 model. I just looked to see if it had any "Made in..." markings but all it says is "Designed in USA". Not Made. It's of very high quality. But it was more expensive than most other options.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Constructive - give us the brand name so that we can avoid the product.

Nonconstructive - vague generalization about country of origin.

Knock yourself out. I wasted a day because the car came with this junk:

http://www.amazon.com/ss/customer-reviews/B000BWE4RC/ref=/181-9292704-5066453?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

mrg-42s_w.jpg

Edited by Blue

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now that you're done kicking the dog, do you think the problem was solely because of the pump quality or was there rust running through it? Why did you install the filter? In other words, do you think a Made in America (or Canada) electric fuel pump would have lasted longer?

The next level of constructivity would be to suggest a better electric pump. for those that don't have a supply of old mechanical pumps.

Just trying to end with more information that people can use. Mr. Gasket = bad, what = good?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, FAIW, I installed that exact same pump on a Chrysler Marine 318, and it lasted a few years before puttering away. I do think it gave the carb extra life, because I could starve the float bowl when coming into dock and (largely) dry up the carb. Then I could fill the carb again before starting. It was a pretty elegant solution to some of the problems of putting ethanol gas in a carb'ed boat in a drippy-humid climate. In that sense I won't complain too much about the pump. However, it did only last a few years, so it wasn't the most robust product in the world.

Zed Head, I guess I'm one of the complainers. However, I will actually pay more money, willingly, for a better part. I guess I'm neither a high-bid nor low-bid person. I generally like the middle bid -- reasonable quality at a reasonable cost. What puzzles me, though, is how anyone could screw up the manufacture of a reed switch! I admit to being surprised about that one -- Chinese manufacture or not.

I'll also clarify that I think the Chinese are perfectly capable of manufacturing a high quality product and frequently do. However, I'm sure anyone will admit that China manufactures a disproportionate share of cheap consumer crap. More disturbing still, much of China's crap exports are counterfeit products -- such as pharmaceutical look-alikes, some with LEAD pigments, that doctors prescribe, that pharmacies buy unwittingly from wholesalers and re-sell, that people put inside their bodies instead of the medications they need to be healthy.

I mentioned the capacitor issue, BTW, because this is something a Chinese friend of mine is familiar with. His father manufactured electrolytic capacitors in mainland China, and he remembers fondly how his dad would sometimes come home with a bag of caps that they would pop in an open fire like firecrackers. When the startup capacitor went out on his heat pump, he appreciated that I knew where to get an American-manufactured capacitor to replace it. He didn't buy a Chinese capacitor. To me that says a lot.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.