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Carl Beck and I are going around about car value at the moment. The sale of a car always brings up this conversation as we all get to see what I believe to be the ultimate covenant; "What someone is willing to pay".

Would I go for three-of-a-kind? Good question, but I doubt it. When I first saw 27, I dissed the car. On the other hand, I have been communicating and inquiring about other low VIN cars. But, I also routinely inquire about RHD Fairladys and such. How cool would a ZG or 432 be? Up until now, I never thought seriuosly about more than one 240-Z and I was quite content to recognize and appreciate 26. My first impression of 27 was not much more than my impressions of a couple of other low VIN cars I have looked at. Here are a couple of pictures I got from my inquiry into #33.

I'm a believer in the first 100 cars. Beck says the first 500 and I have no reason to dispute it. I bought 26 way back when because I believe in low VINs. I'm not real fond of the VIN tags hanging on the wall. That's what I call air car. I guess about mid-week during the auction, after a number of "heavy" conversations with several Z friends, I decided to give it a try and bid on the car. I think at this point, I'm done. Its fun to have a pair and I can just leave it at that. I'm not out to collect any more.

Thanks for everyone's encouragement and support. Some day soon, green twins will appear at a car show. In the mean time, we can have fun with the twins thing and make up all kinds of stories about majestic royalty and perverse fantasy. I hope to have the car in Tampa by the end of the month and I'll throw a party.

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I have learned alot from this sight about vins and such. But i still wanna know how you tell witch cars came in waht order.

Is it buy the vins like did they start with a number and go up from there?

Start ragging me now LOL.

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Bill, I don't think anyone's going to rag on you, that's a legit question. Earlier in this thread, Keith says the 27 was built before 26. I'd also like to know why a car built earlier than another would have a higher VIN.

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From what I understand, 27 shows a 10 / 69 build stamp - to be verified. 26 shows an 11 / 69 build stamp and the dated parts on the car are 10 / 69 and 9 / 69. My explanation has always been that 26 was pulled out of line for misbehavior, but now that 27 is talking, the story may change. More on that later.

Alan T. suggested many months ago that the actual date stamp was not made on the assembly line, but at Nissan's shipping facility and I can't remember the name. There is controversy over that issue. We all tend to believe that the cars were manufactured sequentially and we have every reason to believe they were. According to the build records kats showed us, 26 and 27 should have been manufactured in October. We may never know why the discrepancy, but you can certainly count on a great fabrication from me!

I posted all of the legible pictures I have of 27 in my gallery.

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I hope to have the car in Tampa by the end of the month and I'll throw a party.

Scott and I will be at that party!!! :D

Vicky

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Congrats. Of course everything is worth what you're willing to pay for it, or what you're willing to sacrifice to obtain it. I'm glad you are reuniting the twins. Looks like a lot of hard work, but someone has to save these early cars or too many will end up being crushed. Gary

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Announcing the arrival of Princess 27! Finally! She arrived at dusk last night and by the time we got the car on the ground, it was too dark to photograph. But here are some teasers until I can do something proper in the daylight.

First, let me thank each and every one of you who talked me into this. Love you too! :knockedou

You may remember my inquiries about hauling the car down to Florida from Delaware. I contacted a guy I met at the Porsche Rennsport Reunion and he turned out to be the best deal of the century. He was easily $300 less than everyone else. Billy Springle, Springle Transport Services, Inc., 14656 63rd Court North, Loxahatchee, Florida 33470 TugRacing@aol.com 561-436-4681 and 561-790-2797. The very highest recommendation for service and ease to work with.

I was having lunch with Carl Beck the other day and he snickered: "It can't be much worse than the pictures we saw". Well Carl, its worse. And I haven't seen the car in the daylight yet! But this a good and bad story. Briefly described, 27 is a car that has been sitting outside for the last 15 years and there is no question she looks it. Animals have lived in the car. There is a snake skin shed draped across the console. I think the rust would make some of you faint, yet I have seen others on this site tackle very similar problems. The nice thing about the car is that it came packed FULL of parts - body panels, seats, interior parts, and boxes of "stuff". The seller had been collecting things for all these years and there is some amazing stuff here.

The rust:

The poor baby will require new rear wheel arches complete to the lower rocker dogleg, new spare tire well, new front inner rockers behind the front fenders, new lower radiator cross member, new hood and front fenders. I haven't totally assessed the frame rails yet, but they look bad, especially around the sway bar mounts. Everything is covered in surface rust. There are miscellaneous rust gaping holes all over the place. The battery box looks good. The cowl looks good. The floors are good and the main rockers are good. The rear valance is all good - even the top under the hatch! Keep in mind that "good" is used in the very liberal sense. Good as opposed to gone or unusable.

The car is everything you would imagine from sitting outside so long, but she is reasonably complete. Most of the parts are all there. It still has all the emission controls and it has headers with the air injection ports!?!??? Original braided hoses LOL And most of the interior is still in the car.

The parts:

This was the most fun - unpacking the car. Spare complete deck lid, spare door, spare interior from a '73 for what that's worth. Brand new Nissan door skins. Brand new Nissan front valance and turn signals. Brand new side marker lights. Brand new set of metal emblems including chromed Z quarter emblems. But this is what made our jaws drop...early, early cars came without hatch glass defrosters...brand new with the Nissan part sticker clear hatch glass. Amazing. And there is all kinds of other stuff - a couple of boxes worth.

Well, that's the initial report from the battle line of psychotic automotive restoration. The car is at Jim's in Tampa and I'm throwing a party Saturday to celebrate. Ya'll are invited. Come on over and have a good laugh!

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Hey Chris, if I lived by you, I'd be over in a minute. Sounds like my kind of fun. Twisted yes, but still fun. Much luck to you.

Envious,

Chris

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Chris, My hats off to you. You are truely a brave man, for sure a diehard Z guy, to take on this restoration!!! Now thats love if I've ever seen it. Its guys like you that help keep Z fever alive and well. Wishing you all the luck and patients. :D

Tom

P.S. If I lived a little closer I'd join your celebration, but Florida is just a bit out of my way!

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The battery box looks good.

Well, that's a surprise.

ROFL

I take it that the previous owner bought all of those replacement before letting the car rust in a field. It wouldn't make sense to start collecting parts without making any attempt to preserve the rest.

We'll all be interested in seeing more pictures as you start digging in more ...

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Chris,

If I didn't have a time crunch for the '72, I'd pack up the TIG, the Plasma Cutter, and head your way for the weekend! Maybe I'll just have to settle for sending you something else-sounds like you already have most of the special sheet metal, I have a few parts car that can be donors if you need other sections-10min with the plasma cutter...

Will

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Good luck with #27 !!! How much do you think this restoration will run and I know if one has to ask they cannot afford it !!! 26&27 sounds good to me !!!

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Good to hear that you finally got her. Keep us updated on her progress every now and again. I'm sure that there are plenty of us that would be willing to donate something to help bring her back to life. :D

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Glad it arrived safely. Do you plan to work on both cars at the same time, or do 26 first, and 27 later? Sorry can't make the party, not enough time to make it there even if I left tonight.... unless I made a Gurney/Yates run!

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Wow! Thanks for all the praise and support.

Mike, I think that's one of the reasons he sold the car - because it was not making sense any more! The only thin reason that makes this have any sense to me is that I have a great deal of the missing pieces.

Will, I just may take you up on an all expenses paid weekend in beautiful Sarasota some time. No hurry. I'm going to finish 26 first. It sounds like you have some good experience and that we would have a good time. The metal cutting and welding work is one of the things I have to "sub" out. I can grind with the best of them, though!

Alex, for what I have in mind, I budgeted $25,000 for 26. That includes a completely stripped body, engine rebuild and new interior working with a fairly complete car in fairly decent shape to begin with. I will do the vast majority of the work myself. 26 was seriously tired and she came completely apart only because the body shell was going to go into self-destruct mode if I didn't do something about it. 27, on the other hand, is a resurrect from one foot in the grave example and I suspect I will spend $40,000 to get her looking nice again. That's probably low, but keep in mind that I am discounting my time to zero value. If I paid someone to do all this, it would cost me a fortune. I am also fortunate to be in an area of the country that seems to be "restoration heaven". Lot of retirees down here with car collections. Good services are close by and readily available.

I forgot to confirm that 27 is matching numbers. She has a 10 / 69 stamped build date. I didn't write it down - the engine number is L24-2162? The seat belts are dated 9 / 69 and (bummer) only one wheel is stamped 10 /69.

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Now that you bring up Cannonballing,

I ran into Rick Cline at Sebring a couple of weekends ago. I didn't recognize him until he started talking. He didn't recognize me either. He still has both his champoinship Spitfires.

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Guess we all have changed a lot since the mid 70's.

Reminds me of a joke I saw recently:

While waiting for my first appointment in the reception room of a new dentist, I noticed his certificate, which bore his full name. Suddenly, I remembered that a tall, handsome boy with the same name had been in my high school class some 30 years ago. Upon seeing him, however, I quickly discarded any such thought. This balding, gray-haired man with the deeply lined face was way too old to have been my classmate. After he had examined my teeth, I asked him if he had attended the local high school. "Yes," he replied. "When did you graduate?" I asked. He answered, "In 1971. Why?"

"You were in my class!" I exclaimed.

He looked at me closely and then asked, "What did you teach?"

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How long will the restoration of 27th Z take and I sure wish I knew of a good restoration guy especially someone to do my frame rails and floor pans on the east coast of Florida !!! I know I would like to see pictures of 27th Z in progress!!!!

Enjoy the restoration and then the ride !!!!!

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John,

Try calling Hayes and see if he can help you out http://wirewheel.com/ I know some guys on this coast who deal with him quite a bit.

At my pace and cash flow rate, I suspect it will take me three or four years to restore the car - probably longer. There are guys on this site who have much more time in their cars. August 23 marks one year for 26. In the last year, I have set up the shop (Tricky Garage), stripped the car, rebuilt the engine, and accumulated a ton of parts.

Yea, Carl, it ain't like the good ol days. Everyone is so old!!!!

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A snake skin on the console!!! Be careful Chris, the owner of that skin just might still be residing in the car ROFL I received your e-mail about the "Welcoming Party" for the Princess but Scott's on call this weekend so I don't think we'll make it. I'm gonna try and convince him to go though. Jim Peters said the party was from noon to 1 pm...only an hour? Again congrats on the new addition!

Vicky

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I just loaded a bunch of pictures into my gallery; 27th-Z. I spent Saturday morning vacuming the car - completely. The snake skin and the mouse nest are gone now. Story of my life, as soon as I got the car cleaned up it rained. Oh well, what's a little more water going to do? The pictures could be better, but you will get proper impression.

Cleaning out an old car is fun isn't it? You find all kinds of things. This was in the glove box.

The car goes immediately to dry storage and I'm moving on with the restoration of 26. There is really no point in doing anything right away. The car is a mess. There is a ton of work to do. A lot of penetrating oil needs to be applied to everything, or I'm going to play hell trying to get it apart. It is protected, now. Saved. Wish me luck. Some day, I'll show up at an event with both of them all pretty and restored.

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