Everything posted by kats
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240z 1960's Testing
Blue , we are learning every day! About the not pointy hood , I remember Mr. Tamura and Mr. Yoshida told me that they were trying to shape the hood front edge not pointy . Mr. Tamura did free hand drawings for me at the dinner table , he explained how they wanted to be the headlight case . You see “ r 5 “ next to the head light case . To match the case , Mr. Tamura and Mr. Yoshida were making the head light cover trim ring as “ not pointy “ . Personally , I am a big fan of its sharp edge of the case . Early original is the sharpest due to aging I think , later metal case is never be that sharp on top of the edge . Here is the reference thread which contains the report of a dinner with Mr . Tamura and Mr . Yoshida . Kats
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240z 1960's Testing
Yes , we need to ask him to talk about all the things when he was in a team . I also want to have an opportunity to see Mr. Takei the chief of the Euro S30 team . I found this car has the rear bumper overrider which Mr. Tamura originally intended for , but as you see in his drawings , this car’s overrider is not as cool as Mr.Tamura ‘s design. Also Mr. Tamura intended to put a rubber strip for center part of the bumper front and rear , can we see it in this silver car ? Kats
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240z 1960's Testing
Hi Blue , the silver test car is a unique ! Do you remember I introduced Mr. Miyazaki who was a member of Euro S30 test team ? He said the man who was behind the wheel was him . I don’t know about the roll bar , it appeared different from the production model . I have this video’s DVD , it came as a bonus who bought the 1/8 Fairlady 240Z model . And the 100 books are also the most valuable part of this model . I actually don’t need the model , I wanted the DVD and the books . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Hi Blue , I added notes , I hope you get it . This data must be a " typical " for works rally cars, each car has each set up I think . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Hi everyone, thanks so much for your inputs .Those inputs make this thread attractive so much . I really appreciate it , as usual . Recently I have been writing about various kinds of cars , today I am back on route , Datsun 240Z vs Fairlady Z432 . I want to say , both are great great cars , each cars has each fantastic things . About their engines , here are some comparisons . ” Stock specification “ L24 150 ps , 21kgm / S20 160 ps , 19 kgm ” L24 Racing specification “ 200 ps , 24.5 kgm (71 Monte / Safari ) 250 ps , 25.5 kgm (73 RAC , 2498 cc ) “ S20 Racing specification “ 200 ps , ( 69 JAF Grand Prix ) GTR 253 ps , 21.9 kgm ( 71 mid ) GTR 265 ps , ( 72 Fuji Masters ) GTR Wonderful engines they are , Nissan is not a manufacture like Ferrari or Porsche, but I think Nissan did great ! An interesting interview of Nissan works rally team manager Mr. Namba and Mr . Wakabayashi after winning of 1971 Safari rally he said “ we dropped its engine power like a normal car , range 2000-6500 rpm , compression ratio 8.0 ( usually 9.5 for racing) . We assumed average octan 93 , field elevation 0-3200 meters for the race. High-tuned engine is not good for this race , we used standard head gasket , we shaped inside of dome . Also carburetor setup is the key , this rally has various field elevations from zero to 3200 meters , that made us feel challenging. With the assumed octan 93 , we finally settled down setting them at 1800 meters , that was Nairobi “ ... I am so amazed by reading this interview, what a fascinating they were ! And a clever thing is , they filled up their 510 rally cars with six different kinds of fuel before sending back them to Japan ( maybe this was common for rally team ? ) after winning of the 1970 Safari rally. They thought quality of gas was not the same , they needed to know what was the average quality so that making trouble free engine . They analyzed and tested those fuel , then they had got the plan for the 1971 Safari rally. Also an interesting interview for the three ex Prince Murayama engineers is so much fun to read , they did so hard on their racing S20 engine . I will write about it later . • Citation Nissan graph June 1971 DATSUN 510 & 240Z ( Grand Prix Shuppan ) SKYLINE 2000 GTR MEMORIAL ( Yaesu Shuppan ) Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Wow Gavin, more pictures please ! Blue interior, RHD , automatic transmission, this car has the rarest combination . I really love the blue interior . And an automatic transmission is a trouble free ! Just needs an oil change . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Thanks bartsscooterservice , that red is an early model ( 1967 - 1969 ) , bigger driving lamp , smaller rear side markers etc . For the side note , like S30 , Toyota 2000GT has two types of engine , DOHC ( 2000cc ) and SOHC (2300 cc ) . SOHC version was made only 9 cars , all of them were for export , two of them are automatic transmission. Recently the first SOHC MF12-000001 (automatic transmission) was sold for 8800 0000 yen ( 1000000 USD) . How about our S30 ? I have seen an interview for engineers of Nissan when the car was new , they said 30 % of export 240Zs are automatic transmission cars . But nowadays it is hard to see automatic transmission cars , maybe the ratio dropped below 10% now ? Kats
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L24 Battles Six S20's. Guess who wins?
This interprit contains not correct part, and I see also Japanese text is not right , Mr.Fujita should select Japanese words correctly . The point is , there is no stock L24 which has better paformance than the racing S20 , Never . (We know L type engine was born from practical parents , S20 engine was born from racing parents ) . Maybe people want to disrespect S20 in some reason , but a stock L24 and a stock S20 are almost same performance. A racing L24 and a racing S20 are almost same performance. The one has more capacity , the other has more advanced technology. That's it . They both are awsome engine , just enjoy each "feelings" , "flavor" . I haven't heard from S20 owners saying "my S20 is better than the L20 , 24... , etc. Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Not a Z , but I would like to show this , another local Toyota 2000GT . Mr. Shimoura and me visited Mr. Minamiura to see his car , this car he bought new in 1970 at his age 22 ! He is the original owner indeed. The plate shows that this car is truly registered only once ever since , people know this car is the first registered 2000GT in Nara region. He hopes someone takes care of this car with the plate , I thought I can keep the plate but I have never imagined owning one nor falling love with one . But looking at this beauty, I gradually inclined to this one . Some pieces are resemble our S30 cars , some are completely different, it is always fun to look at it . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Hi , I sold a set of S20 race piston last Sunday , and now I am selling a set of titanium conn rod . I have decided to obtain much more mint condition race pistons and titanium conn rods , selling price won’t be able to cover the new sets . That is painful but , I just go forward. I have got this plastic lunch box , I am dreaming about putting this in a engine room when I put triple Solex for my L24 . It has turned fragile , I have to reinforce the top cover from the back , and have to hand made a missing simple shape bracket to secure the inner fender . Also need to do some work for the tube ! Kats
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*Very* Rare Part... I'm out at $1200
Hi Blue , I am happy you use my pictures. Here are some for you , I want to explain again the difference , and interchangeability of the mechanism . Z432 ( triple carburetors) has only one cable for the choke system while L20/24 ( SU) have two cables . But you see the basement of the levers are made for both , just flip it over to accommodate Z432 or L20/24 . And some more , the earliest Z432 mechanism has a metal tube for the choke cable . Like SU type cable , Z432 has a lot of running parts change for this choke and throttle mechanism. Not only for the cable , levers were revised a several times . The earliest hand throttle lever has its pivot at the bottom of the basement while later type has the pivot in the middle.A Sliding nut guide which controls its tension is a unique for the earliest one. The earliest one has a longer slit on the top metal face plate so that the hand throttle lever can travel fully, longer . And amazingly, the small screw holes to secure the basement for the earliest one are used agin for the later hand throttle!! What a wonderful design of mechanism . Kats Sorry those pictures are not taken at one time , some of them are recently and some of them are old . I found the two pictures which showing Z432 and L20/24 in one shot made a mistake, the top metal face plates were put wrongly. The longer slit of the hand throttle should be put on the other . In this picture the L20/24 mechanism should have it as it is made as later type .
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240Z Hazard switch differences
Thanks Chris, I made a video using the tool from you ! The tool works perfect to turn the chrome face nut . Gavin , I will give you this switch “ test mule “ if you need . FYI , here is the picture from the very late mock up styling study model , you see the switch has a twin triangles mark . Kats
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240Z Hazard switch differences
Hi zKars , great great article!! I didn’t know the difference. Thank you so much!! This is what exactly I experienced in my blue 240Z , this car has a switch which I determine “ early one “by its the twin-triangle mark . And it could not accept the tool to turn the chrome nut because of its angle. I didn’t know why , but you showed us there is the one which can’t accept the tool . I tend to think the early one is always acceptable for the tool , later one is always not acceptable for the tool , but this theory is not true . My blue 240Z has got the switch from another car when it became out of service , so it could be way out of date of the car’s manufacture date (03/70) . On the other hand , my orange 12/71 240Z has the tool acceptable type switch which has a small triangle in a big triangle. This mark is later type I think . FYI , I show a comparison of a small box and a big box type . Japanese S30 uses the small box type . Maybe for euro too ? I am learning every day ! Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
Hi Gavin , safari gold is rare I think too . They are not Auction but currently three Z432 are available here , https://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/search.php?CARC=NI_S026&AL=1&SORT=4&STID=SMPH0001 Two white ( one of them 1969 made ) , one orange. And this green car was for sale 16,500,000 Yen at カーセンサー recently. Some weeks ago it was dropped so someone bought I think . The car is a survivor, very original car . I even may want it to be as it is to enjoy its patina look . This car can be drivable easily. Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
Caution ! PS30-00187 is not for sale . Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
Here are some pictures of PS30-00187 , the most famous Z432-R . Mr. Takeuchi add this front spoiler which was euro standard equipment at some point in the past . I visited a craftsman with Mr. Takeuchi , the craftsman was doing and almost finished restoration of this Z432-R several years ago. I took some pictures , you will see the spoiler clearly. Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
Hi Chris, but I wish it were a lot lower starting bid . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
Time flies , it is an honor to have them in my car . I really thank Mr. K and Mike brought me to the ZCON 2000 and 2004 . 17 Japanese Z owners took their cars to the ZCON . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
I had to decide let this Skyline GTR Mikuni 40 go to help a little bit for buying a set of 44 . They are totally original, not restored. I added re-plated brackets for the fuel pipe. Not related to the carburetor , I found this page , my blue 240Z was chosen for Mr.K and Mike , that was an autumn 2000 .Mike got the wheel , Mr. K was a navigator. Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
Hi , a 1970 Z432 , PS30- 00243 is now on Yahoo Japan auction. ■昭和45年 日産 フェアレディ Z432 オプション多数付の車両・マグホイール箱入り付!! https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t690389765 Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
I haven’t heard about the trouble, I will ask some people. I don’t think there will be a big difference between them , maybe just linkage and fuel pipe connecter , jet setting ? Here is what I am planning to install to my spare S20 . Kats
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Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432
I have picked the sports option exhaust manifold up at Suzuka circuit auction hall . Here is some comparison. With this exhaust , I have decided to get Mikuni 44 type 2 , as listed in a Z432-R sports option catalog . I will show you more detail about it here when it arrives . Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
So , this auction car PS30-00289 has a later (1972 model ) speed meter. Normally this 1970 made car should have an early speed meter . Why ? Is this related this car sold and registered in 04/1972 ? A newer speed meter was released, so was it a choice of the customer ? PS30-00291 has also same thing , made in 1970 but sold in 05/1972 , it’s speed meter is 1972 model ( there are colored arches , yellow starts from 100km/h , red starts from 200km/h ) . An early speed meter doesn’t have colored arches . Or just they were replaced by some reason ? Kats
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Fairlady 432 at Auction
Hi Gavin , I am glad that you like standard, skinny wheel Z432-R . I attached this picture car is what I call basic , plain , standard Z432-R (there would be more proper word to call ) , unfortunately not for sure the chassis number . Nissan sold this model for whom wants to do motor sports , and not intended for road legal . The race manual describes this configuration first , then describes how to modify for each part one by one . Most of Z432-Rs what we see today are the car like this .And were at least when they were sold . Nissan began to sale this ( basic ) Z432-R as a road legal car adding a windshield washer tank to pass the requirements. And some other modifications might be made .Probably customers might place orders to the dealer “ I want a heater , brake master vac , “ etc . We have seen one Z432-R had full interior trim just like a Z432 ! Those cars ( 20 cars or so, all of them 1969-1970 made ) were mostly sold in 1972-1973 , after Nissan works switched to L24 for track . We think that was a clearance sale of Z432-R . Z432 was 1850000 yen , but one day Mr. Kubo ( legendary tuner) was told “ could you please buy a Z432-R for 600000 yen ? “ Mr. Kubo didn’t take it because he saw works race car is now using L24 . I think works race car is different from picture car . First of all , usually works Z432-R was red , not 918 orange . Courtesy Motor Magazine . Kats