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5 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

Like Mart says it's a 70 . The title might be 71… cause it was sold in 71

The answer is probably in the Owner Manuals.  There is a separate one for 1971 and 1970.  If the Owner Manuals are identical then the cars are probably identical.  The Owner Manual features should match the car.

It's really just stuff the BAT seller should have done.  Sellers need to understand the potential customers.

https://www.classiczcars.com/files/category/17-owner-manuals/

They show a 1970 manual but who knows where they got it.

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The belts in the listing seem to be of 1970 style.  The lift to unfasten lever instead of the push-button.  Therefore it must be a 1970 model.  The seat belt latch tells the story.  Undeniable!

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Racer X is right on the money. Lot of time spent trying to "solve the mystery" when it's just simply a matter of small production anomalies. I see this kind of stuff in my shop ALL THE TIME. Hear about it from my parts customers ALL THE TIME.  

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When I was a young Datsun dealer mechanic, no, not a Tech, a mechanic, way back in the early 70s I was sent to several factory training schools -  mostly in NJ - where we were taught that a 12/70 240 would be a 71. Of course there are early 71s and late 71s but that's another topic and Colbert is coming on soon so I have to go.     Cheers

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5 hours ago, Mark Maras said:

 I'm beginning to think they changed belts mid year in 71 along with a number of other things. 

Hi Mark , I do this before someone does. The change was made around in February ( export) or March (Japan) 1971 , there is a service bulletin which is titled’ 1971 late models ‘ introduced a set of new seat belts as well as other numerous changes.

It is Interesting to see two books were written in different way , different depth of technical descriptions.

Kats

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No no... zedhead.. this is a feb (2) 1970's car were some moron thought i put a one (1) in front of it, while the plate is ON the car..  (would be spectacular when someone finds out the laquer under the plate is damaged only were the 1 has been hamered into it!)  

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BTW... I'm just kidding... or AM I??  :omg:  I ask myself: Are there more people with such a strange fat 1 in front of a "normal thin "1" or "2" ?

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This placard is useful for US and Canada model to determine 70 or 71. And Manual or Automatic transmission.

Now I would like to know when Nissan Shatai put this placard on to their 240Z . September? October? November? 
If we can get enough examples, we will be able to see when . 
By the way, Japanese people usually say about our cars first- registration month and year . Only enthusiastic people say about build date with chassis number .

Kats

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Of course one could simply buy one of my reproduction under hood decals and/or one of my door jamb ID plates and cause much havoc in the Z car world while providing much entertainment for dutchzcarguy. Perhaps someone already has done so!!

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6 hours ago, kats said:

This placard is useful for US and Canada model to determine 70 or 71. And Manual or Automatic transmission.

Now I would like to know when Nissan Shatai put this placard on to their 240Z . September? October? November? 
If we can get enough examples, we will be able to see when . 
By the way, Japanese people usually say about our cars first- registration month and year . Only enthusiastic people say about build date with chassis number .

Kats

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My car is a 7/70. #6521 and has a slightly different emissions decal. It also references the 1971 regulations.  The interesting thing is that my car is a non-emissions model for the Canadian market and came without the emissions devices mentioned on the decal. Here is a picture from before I removed if during my current resto.

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Here's a link to a discussion on this subject. Might be a good place to continue this discussion.

 

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Most manufacturers call out the changes in the new model year when they introduce it in their sales literature.  They almost never say "it's so good we haven't changed a thing!".  Does anyone have a 1971 240Z sales brochure?

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3 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

It's an old topic that's been examined, apparently, of course.  But the BAT guy got more views probably by claiming 1970.  Still has questions to answer in the comments.

Here's Carl Beck from 2006.

https://www.zhome.com/History/1970or1971.html

Interesting bit on the value of 1970 vs series one 71's...

 

"Is a 1970 240Z more collectable than a 1971 240Z?

As not too many people are fully aware that there are two "Series" involved in the 1971 Model Year cars, for the most part, the answer to that question is YES at the present time. As the Model Year limits the quantity available, the 1970 240Z's will retain more of their value, and will be easier to re-sell over the short term. (three to five years)

However, if the Z Cars follow the patterns established by other imported collectibles, then the Series I cars will, as a group, be recognized as the Original Z design... and for the most part the Model Year under which it was titled, will not matter as much as it does today."

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