1 hour ago, bartsscooterservice said:

interesting is the extra rear stabi bar on the euro versions

S30-series Z was designed to incorporate anti roll bars both front and rear.

Therefore perhaps more interesting that initial North American market variants didn't get a rear bar.

The 'Final Euro' variants of course had much more than just a rear bar in their upgraded specification to suit European road conditions and the perceived requirements of its drivers.

18 hours ago, Zed Head said:

And, as usual, you're ignoring what was written and projecting your own thoughts in order to create an argument. These guys clearly state that they intend to restore the cars to how they were as they as they left the factory. SpeedRoo pointed out some things that were not that, but you just ignored that reality and chose the argumentative path instead. Typical.

For your part, you never ever seem to answer a straight question. You just rock off on your own, often non sequitur, stream-of-conciousness stuff as if you're talking to yourself. You ask questions that have already been answered - often in your own links - change direction and ignore points being made. Take a peep in the mirror occasionally.

Here's the thing about your "reality", and SpeedRoo's pot-shotting. You two are picking fault in cars that are not part of the S30.World 'Masterpiece Collection', and which are not going to auction on BaT. You don't know which cars are part of that program, which cars are on their way to Group 44 nor which particular car is going to be auctioned starting on 23rd October. You've jumped the gun.

S30.World has a museum collection in Buren, Holland (as you can see in the photo I posted above) and this includes cars that are 'survivor', unrestored, original paint cars as well as cars that have been partially refreshed. You will also see examples of cars from various European markets and - for example - the Portuguese 'Entreposto' variants which had a very particular specification for that market. Examples of these cars - and work carried out on them - are documented on the S30.World platform. They also have cars that are being restored to customers' specifications.

*So, anybody seeking to pick holes in the 'Masterpiece Collection' cars might be well advised to make sure it's actually a 'Masterpiece Collection' car that they are picking holes in.*

I've already said that, in my opinion, '100% factory correct' restoration is a logical impossibility. You may well contest the somewhat hyperbolic language used in the promotion, and I'd agree, but I've seen the cars in question and they are indeed excellent. I can see the effort that went into them and I've talked with the people involved. 100% is a fine target to set yourself and getting as close as is reasonably possible to that is fine achievement. I wouldn't put a percentage on the achieved level myself, but the cars are stunning and several people I highly respect - including a Nissan employee who was involved in the development of the cars in period - agree.

By all means pick apart the first car when it comes to auction, when you can see the detail photos and - I should imagine - video provided. Group 44 should be ready to answer our queries and our curiosity. It would be nice if this was carried out for the love of the cars and for the greater good rather than for scoring points against someone who is motivated by 'my enemy's friend is my enemy'...

OUCH!! More later but I have to get my Saab ready for the trip - weather permitting - to Hershey.

The current topic is - do these relative "newbie" restorers have the same concept of what "restoration" means as the "old-timers". Is it okay to remove the things were there "as the car left the factory" and call the car "as it left the factory". In literal terms the answer would be no. The statement is not true. The facts shown in the pictures seem to clearly illustrate this. They are "perfecting" the cars by removing the idiosyncracies of the high volume manufacturing process. The things that give each car originality, and make them interesting to people that want to understand how the cars were made back then. There's nothing wrong with doing that, removing the "defects", they just need to clean up their marketing prose to give an honest representation of what they're doing. Their whole web site is kind of grandiose.

That's the whole thing, summarized. My posts and links are meant to help understand who these newcomers are.

2 hours ago, zspert said:

OUCH!! More later but I have to get my Saab ready for the trip - weather permitting - to Hershey.

Cleanest garage award goes to you.

11 hours ago, HS30-H said:

S30-series Z was designed to incorporate anti roll bars both front and rear.

Therefore perhaps more interesting that initial North American market variants didn't get a rear bar.

The 'Final Euro' variants of course had much more than just a rear bar in their upgraded specification to suit European road conditions and the perceived requirements of its drivers.

I know there was much more...

11 hours ago, HS30-H said:

S30-series Z was designed to incorporate anti roll bars both front and rear.

Therefore perhaps more interesting that initial North American market variants didn't get a rear bar.

The 'Final Euro' variants of course had much more than just a rear bar in their upgraded specification to suit European road conditions and the perceived requirements of its drivers.

herefore perhaps more interesting that initial North American market variants didn't get a rear bar.

I guess they left it out because Americans like a different driving style, hence giving them a 4 speed and softer suspension to

So, here's more of the story. Didn't realize that HS30-H was "consulting" for S30.World. Is it a paying position? On the board? Stock options?

Maybe it's been disclosed, but I don't recall seeing it.

S30.world

S30.world - The platform

The platform

Just having fun here! I came in second place in my third grade Spelling Bee contest. These things catch my eye.

Somebody missed a detail on one of the Masterpieces presentations...

There is actually quite a bit on the S30.World web site. Fun to browse.

There are stories.

https://s30.world/collection/datsun-240z-hls30-00057-ca

Can't wait to see which one comes up on BaT in three weeks. They should just disclose it now so people can look through the details on the web site. And how big is the "limited run"?

7 hours ago, Zed Head said:

The current topic is...

Oh. I didn't realise that it was you who got to choose the current topic. Quite a responsibility. Good luck.

7 hours ago, Zed Head said:

...do these relative "newbie" restorers have the same concept of what "restoration" means as the "old-timers".

Name some of these "old-timers" and show some examples of their work.

7 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Is it okay to remove the things were there "as the car left the factory" and call the car "as it left the factory". In literal terms the answer would be no. The statement is not true. The facts shown in the pictures seem to clearly illustrate this.

This same dichotomy has been faced by anyone else who "restores" one of these cars. Even the elusive "old-timers" you mention will have been up against the logical impossibility to make something exactly as it left the factory. You have nowhere to go with this line of critique. It's a cul-de-sac.

And by the way, pictures don't show "facts". You may well see things that confirm your convictions, but that does not make them 'fact'. Point of order.

1 hour ago, Zed Head said:

So, here's more of the story. Didn't realize that HS30-H was "consulting" for S30.World. Is it a paying position? On the board? Stock options?

Maybe it's been disclosed, but I don't recall seeing it.

I could hear that penny dropping in your head from the other side of the Atlantic. Have you seriously only just cottoned on to that now? Sheesh. Wait 'til you realise who else on this forum is volunteering their time.

You asked "Is it a paying position?". Answer is NO. "On the board?". Answer is NO. "Stock options?". Answer is NO. I have my own self-demarcated areas of interest and alleged 'expertise'* which I can potentially contribute to the cause, as do the other volunteers. That's it. But your questions imply that my motivations in sticking up for the work of the company in question are materialistic. They are not.

What are yours for the opposite?

1 hour ago, Zed Head said:

Somebody missed a detail on one of the Masterpieces presentations...

Again, the cars you are pointing at are not part of the 'Masterpieces' program. Will it ever sink in? Will you sail blithely on by once again? Probably...

Top marks for spotting a speeling mishtake. You won a Goldfish.

1 hour ago, Zed Head said:

There is actually quite a bit on the S30.World web site. Fun to browse.

There are stories.

It was only a few short weeks ago that you had simply no idea who or what S30.World is, and you were even calling into question whether their reproduction fuel tanks were a 'scam'.
Now you're suddenly classiczcars' very own Walter Winchell. It's like somebody put some water in a bag of Sea Monkeys.

On 10/1/2025 at 9:20 AM, HS30-H said:

Did it ever occur to you that there might be quite a lot happening in relation to these cars which has sailed majestically over your head while you weren't paying attention?

QED.

As one of the "old timers" who has restored to stock his share over the years - rooms, mine and those of my customers, full of first place trophies - and was a very early parts supplier to the owner of some Nissan/Renault dealerships in that part of the world I'm a bit scared to comment, might lose my head!!

DC871F - Thank you. Somehow I'll squeeze your award into that room full of 1st place trophies