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Wow! There was a time you could import a running car for that money.

 

Shame it has an RB conversion, given it’s low vin. But at least they kept it in the family.

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29 minutes ago, AK260 said:

Shame it has an RB conversion, given it’s low vin. But at least they kept it in the family.

Edit - I didn't scroll down far enough to see the itemized list.  It's a weird one.  He says "The shell was bought with the intention to produce a fast road car " but doesn't say who bought it.

 

Is that a conversion or just an engine sitting there?  Like all of the other parts.  I see a pile of parts.

Interesting story.  Seems like the asking price is more for the story.  Not sure but I think I see the typical dirty fluid in the clutch and brake reservoirs.  It has used tires on it, but missing one.  It's a puzzle but there must be more clues there.

Looks like a typical "complete tear down/restoration/dream", not finished.

Excerpt - 

"As far as I am aware the shell has never been registered as a road going car either in the United States or the United Kingdom. There are thoughts that this shell may have been taken off the production line prior to assembly in order to supply the Bob Sharp Racing team for the American IMSA/SCCA championships or possibly to be used as a pace car - however there is no hard evidence available to support either of these theories. However, whatever the truth is in my opinion (and mine alone), judging from the condition it is unlikely that this shell was ever built into a complete or even an incomplete production car but others of course may disagree..."

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The shift lever shows that it might actually have an engine bolted in place.   I think that's a shift lever...

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Shame that history is unsubstantiated :(

 

I wish they weren’t storing the doors on the roof!

 

 

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Forgive my ignorance but those round holes in the rear valence, were they for US style fat bumpers or are they exhaust exit holes?

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See discussions on The Z Club in the UK https://zclub.net/community/index.php?threads/for-sale-on-ebay-datsun-260z-rolling-shell-–-chassis-no-rls30-000017.27579/#post-316788

It was first imported to the UK by Fourways Engineering - at least 30 years ago - to be used in the build-up of a race car. It was Fourways who carried out the reversible LHD to RHD conversion, but then the project was shelved and put into storage. I first saw it in person at least 20 years ago.

The story linking it to Bob Sharp Racing in the USA is very likely true. I believe this bodyshell was picked off the production line to be sent to Bob Sharp - as a spare in case of crash damage to his race car(s) - in late 1973 during the transition from '240Z' to '260Z' and the low chassis number is very close to those in other Bob Sharp '260Z' cars. Geoff Jackson of Fourways told me that they bought the bodyshell on the east coast of the USA from a former member of Bob Sharp's team.

There's no V5 with the bodyshell as it was never built up into a car and (being intended as a race car) never registered in the USA, so there was no 'title' and it was imported to the UK as spare parts with no intention to use it on the road.

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@gnosez (Bad Dog) knows Bob Sharpe and maybe able to dig deeper to find the path & pedigree. Bad Dog mentioned that Bob Sharpe liked the 260z the best of the NA trio so this is a nice find wrt racing.

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7 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

@gnosez (Bad Dog) knows Bob Sharpe and maybe able to dig deeper to find the path & pedigree.

@gnosez and I have corresponded about this bodyshell. As far as I'm concerned, everything rings true.

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5 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

This customized part looks interesting.  Welds look very professional.

If you're thinking it somehow has a link to BSR then you're barking up the wrong tree. It was bought and imported to the UK as a bare bodyshell with ZERO parts attached to it, and no modifications.

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23 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

Bob Sharp has incredible powers...

Hopefully that would include being able to read the vendor's description on ebay:

"new electric fuel pump and swirl pot".

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I wonder if the doors are "shells" too.  They don't seem to have any paint or hardware attached.  The car might actually be worth more in parts.  Quarters, fenders, floor pans, doors, struts/hubs, brake parts, fuel tank, etc., all essentially new.  RB25DET, transmission.  Is there a diff under there?  Too bad there's no glass.

Swirl pot/surge tank.  Used to keep the fuel pump from going dry on the corners.  Usually left hand turns on the Z's.

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1 hour ago, Zed Head said:

I wonder if the doors are "shells" too.  They don't seem to have any paint or hardware attached.  The car might actually be worth more in parts.  Quarters, fenders, floor pans, doors, struts/hubs, brake parts, fuel tank, etc., all essentially new.  RB25DET, transmission.  Is there a diff under there?  Too bad there's no glass.

The ad description clearly states:

"The shell will be sold complete with the following standard 260Z items from donor vehicles installed:

*front and rear axles/suspension...." etc

...so I don't know where you are getting the idea of new doors, struts/hubs, brake parts, fuel tank or anything else except the bare bodyshell itself.

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"cause Fourways probably installed them 30+ years ago.  I read, then thought.

And don't overlook the utility of the word "essentially".

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Good luck to the OP, but I'm just trying understand how it can be worth $15,000 (~).  Fun to talk about it.  He needs the paperwork that supports the rumo(u)rs.  

 

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I'm going to guess that this is the "Fourways" mentioned in the other forum posts, linked below.  I'd fill out the whole history, while it can be done.  A single BSR crew member comment, from somebody's memory, just doesn't seem enough.

Who is Fourways, and who has owned the shell since they bought it?  Who installed the engine and all of the parts?  Stuff like that. .

https://fourways-engineering.co.uk/

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On 9/25/2020 at 9:54 AM, AK260 said:

Shame that history is unsubstantiated ?

I wish they weren’t storing the doors on the roof! emoji33.png

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Forgive my ignorance but those round holes in the rear valence, were they for US style fat bumpers or are they exhaust exit holes?

Hi AK260,

"I wish they weren’t storing the doors on the roof!"

That is what I thought when I saw that photo. Ouch. 

 

"Forgive my ignorance but those round holes in the rear valence, were they for US style fat bumpers or are they exhaust exit holes?"

Yep. They are indeed ugly bumper shock holes.

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9 hours ago, Zed Head said:

"cause Fourways probably installed them 30+ years ago.  I read, then thought.

Fourways Engineering bought it as a bare 'shell, and sold it as a bare 'shell.

 

9 hours ago, Zed Head said:

And don't overlook the utility of the word "essentially".

I think it might be doing too much heavy lifting here. Only the bare bodyshell itself is 'essentially new'.

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6 hours ago, HS30-H said:

Fourways Engineering bought it as a bare 'shell, and sold it as a bare 'shell.

I don't see that confirmed in the written description or the UK forum discussion, the words that are available from this CZCC thread.  

Beside that, the ownership history is still undefined.  Overall, it's still a very thin story about a 260Z shell and some parts.  

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2 hours ago, Zed Head said:

I don't see that confirmed in the written description or the UK forum discussion, the words that are available from this CZCC thread.

I was there, and these are my photos:

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So you are Albrecht on the other forum.  That wasn't clear.

Since you're a member over there you probably don't know that a non-member can't click on those photos to enlarge them.  An error message pops up about "you must be logged in to do that".  So, you can't see the copyright.  And it's not clear that Albrecht took the pictures.  "He" just posted them without explanation.  No offense.  A person could assume and suppose but that's what's happening with the Bob Sharp story.

With this new information though, it seems that "at least 20 years ago", the shell was at Fourways with no engine in it.  So, who installed the engine, and the other parts, and when?

I like a good puzzle, and a good story, and I don't think that any new knowledge is going to hurt the OP's odds of selling the shell and parts.  

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Hi everyone. I am the owner of the rolling shell for sale on Ebay and the instigator of this thread - big apologies for not making this clear in the first place. Also sorry for not participating more in the discussions but I've been busy the last few days preparing the rear of my 1970 240Z car for primer and a base coat before the cold weather takes a hold. I must also apologise to HS30-H (Albrecht) for copying his thread from the ZClub UK website without acknowledging him or asking his permission to do so.

So in my view the real interest in the shell is that it is a low 260Z chassis number that was taken off the production line before being built up into a complete car. I know that I have no paperwork to prove this but I am very confident that anyone who has experience with working on S30 cars who see it in the flesh would agree. I suppose my question is, how much would a similar shell sell for if Nissan were to offer one today as a spare part?

Now in terms of the BSR association. Let's face it, it's a nice story BUT even if it were true the shell was never actually built into a race car. It's an association - nothing more. Saying that, if it was eventually completed as a BSR tribute car then it would be a fitting conclusion to the story.

The Skyline conversion was undertaken maybe 5 or more years ago by a small restoration shop who are local to me and who specialise in MGB's. They have done an OK job but in hind-sight it should have gone to a Z specialist. Four years ago out of the blue I had a serious illness and it took me some time to recover from that and shortly afterwards I took early retirement. I recently concluded that owning three Z's was not a good long-term strategy so I sold my 260Z UK track-day car about 6 weeks ago and now the 260Z US rolling shell is for sale. To be honest, I really don't want to let it go but in reality it's the right thing to do as it would mean that I can concentrate my resources on the 240Z which will keep me busy for the next year or two at the pace I'm currently achieving i.e. very slow.

Regarding the asking price, yes I've set it on the high side and why not? I'm in no rush to sell and I have in fact had some interest from a couple of people. I'm under no time or financial pressure to let it go so I thought OK let see what happens. I'm aware that it is unlikely that it will go state-side especially considering the additional shipping and import costs involved but if you don't try then you'll never know. I just thought that it would be good to let you guys know that this shell was for sale. I also really don't mind any negative comments, I'm too old and ugly enough to get wound up about things like that any more.

Hope you all have a good day,

Dave

 

 

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On 9/26/2020 at 6:45 PM, Zed Head said:

Since you're a member over there you probably don't know that a non-member can't click on those photos to enlarge them.

That's why I posted them above.

On 9/26/2020 at 6:45 PM, Zed Head said:

With this new information though, it seems that "at least 20 years ago", the shell was at Fourways with no engine in it.  So, who installed the engine, and the other parts, and when?

The vendor. He's also the OP on this thread, so you can ask him about it right here.

 

On 9/26/2020 at 6:45 PM, Zed Head said:

A person could assume and suppose but that's what's happening with the Bob Sharp story.

Admittedly it is anecdotal at this point, but a connection to Bob Sharp Racing makes explains this bodyshell's existence and - one time - presence in the USA.

Here's the thing: Have you ever seen or heard of Nissan supplying a bare - unused - bodyshell for an S30-series Z? This is something that they simply did not normally do. Unlike other manufacturers, Nissan did not supply complete bodyshells as spare parts ('Body In White' in the vernacular) let alone fully numbered bodyshells, so it is something clearly outside of normal practices. Being supplied as a spare bodyshell for a well-affiliated race team -  right on the switchover from '240Z' to '260Z' models - adds up. And the chassis number of this bodyshell is very close to those of other BSR cars too. It seems to add up. 

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