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If the "My pillow" crackhead could make money telling people to get vaccinated then the others would be civil and get their shots. This Delta variant is going to erase the progress we've made. The thing with it is it's affecting people's kids where the not so aggressive one was getting older people. God help us if your kid gets sick. That changes everything.

And oh my, what if our dogs can get it? They'll run out of vaccinations/syringes then. LOL

 

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I have a big problem with the way the word "facts" is being used.

A fact should be a true statement. There are no "alternative facts" or "untrue facts", there are simply facts.  Those statements should be observably true in order to qualify as facts. 

 Statements, assertions or opinions which cannot be backed up by evidence are not facts. They are assertions or opinions without proof. 

We know some things are facts. One of them is that in localities where vaccination rates are higher, the number of people catching the Covid virus is lower. We might debate why that is a fact, but it is not debatable because it has been observed and confirmed. 

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29 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

No politics, focus on COVID didn't last long.

Just a bit of humor in a pretty serious thread..  😉

And to be clear, you have misquoted me.  I requested that we stop the bashing.  This is a forum that is open to all conversations, no matter which side you take on the subject.

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 Just my opinion, which is worth exactly as much as anyone else's opinion, but I failed to see the humor in it. From one sides perspective, this is the actual reality that they fear is on the horizon. It feeds fear, distrust, and delusion. ----- Self induced reality check. I stepped back for a moment and realized that I failed to take this from a satirical view point at first. I do hope it was intended that way. I've seen too many people who come very close to these people. I discovered I'm a bit hyper-sensitive on the subject. I love satire. My only fear is that we're seeing "Natural Selection" shift into "Impulse Power". I don't want the planet to experience "Warp Drive". I've learned to ALWAYS QUESTION AUTHORITY. I've found the Authorities on the side of vaccines to be much more credible than the Authorities on the no-vax side. Are there other options among the existing drugs? Yes. At a cheaper price? It's your tax dollar) Yes. BUT to vaccinate with new vaccines or refuse to be vaccinated are the only two choices most of us are given. Please get vaccinated.

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Well I'm not getting into the vax vs no-vax discussion, but I am pretty concerned about the idea of government sending volunteers door-knocking.  This has the potential to end badly and dividing the country even further.

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Well… meanwhile, in the real world, I intubated two people in their 50’s earlier this week and they remain on the ventilator with Delta variant COVID 19. They were vaccinated. I warned this would happen but people want to fook around and argue about if it’s real, if you really need to get vaccinated. Well, it’s evolved so… 

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On 7/8/2021 at 1:36 PM, Mike said:

Here in WA, I'm starting to notice that stores are taking down their "mask required" signs and people are allowed inside without a mask.  It looks like employees are still wearing masks but this is a good sign things are starting to return to normal.  

@MikeThat's good to hear.

I'm guessing that the number of covid cases in WA has dropped off significantly and that has driven the relaxation of the restrictions?

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It's kind of becoming background now but at least it's skewing more toward free will and choice.  Those who choose to take the risk pay a higher price.  Of course, though, they'll take some innocent people with them, just like speeding or driving drunk or smoking.  Things are getting more Darwinian.

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On 7/14/2021 at 9:32 PM, conedodger said:

Well… meanwhile, in the real world, I intubated two people in their 50’s earlier this week and they remain on the ventilator with Delta variant COVID 19. They were vaccinated.

They were vaccinated...   ouch

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Yeah, I don't like it when volunteers come to my door either, but if they have a permit, it's the American way. No different than the Jehovah’s Witnesses, or Democrats trying to convince you to vote for their candidates, or Republicans trying to convince you to vote for their candidates, or a volunteer trying to talk you into donating blood.

This is nothing new. Volunteers in some locations have been going door to door to talk to people about getting a covid vaccine for months and months.

But that youtube video is not at all what I got from the speech in question. For anyone who didn't watch the speech, here's what Biden said:

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"We are continuing to wind down the mass vaccination sites that did so much in the spring to rapidly vaccinate those eager to get their first shot, and their second shot for that matter, if they needed a second.

Now we need to go to community by community, neighborhood by neighborhood, and oft times door to door, literally knocking on doors to get help to the remaining people to protect them from the virus.

Look... Equity. Equality. It remains at the heart of our responsibility of insuring the communities that are the hardest hit by the virus have the information and the access to get vaccinated.

So... As we shift from these centralized mass vaccination sites where doing thousands of people a day, we're going to put even more emphasis on getting vaccinated in your community, close to home, conveniently, at a location you're already familiar with."

And then he detailed a five point plan to put more emphasis on making sure vaccines are available at: 1) 42000 local pharmacies, 2) Family doctors and healthcare providers, 3) Family doctors and other doctors that serve younger people, 4) At work, work sites, or at least providing paid time off to get the vaccine, 5) Mobile clinics for festivals, sporting events, etc.
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My takeaway from that speech is that the large mass vaccination sites are no longer seeing enough traffic to make them viable, and it's time to close them down in favor of shifting more emphasis to other smaller more neighborhood-centric locations instead.

The hope is that some people who felt apprehensive about going to the large facilities would feel more comfortable getting a vaccine from the trusted local neighborhood pharmacist  or doctor that they've been dealing with for years.

But because some people may not even know that trusted local neighborhood options are becoming increasingly available, we need to try harder to reach people wherever we can to get the word out.

I'm sure not everyone gets exactly the same thing out of it as I do, but that's my take.

On 7/14/2021 at 9:28 PM, Mike said:

Just a bit of humor in a pretty serious thread.

So @Mike , back to questioning everything... Did you watch Biden's speech for yourself, or are you just letting some guy on youtube tell you what your opinion is?

My take on that youtube video is that it's purposeful fear mongering falsely shrouded under a cloak of "humor". And as conedodger highlighted earlier, that kind of fear mongering isn't really helpful.

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33 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

So @Mike , back to questioning everything... Did you watch Biden's speech for yourself, or are you just letting some guy on youtube tell you what your opinion is?

My take on that youtube video is that it's purposeful fear mongering falsely shrouded under a cloak of "humor". And as conedodger highlighted earlier, that kind of fear mongering isn't really helpful.

I get all my news from social media and the National Enquirer.   Are you guys bullying me?  I may have to report you to management.  😛

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Ok, I said I wouldn't get into the serious discussions around this topic because I am not a medical professional and I don't know how this virus or vaccine even works.  But I do have something to say based on the perception of what's going on in this thread. 

First, you seem to be putting most of the population into classifications of vaccinated vs unvaccinated.  While I get this is simple because of your media and internet research, I don't think it is fair to bash or ridicule those who have not vaccinated.  I truly believe this has serious social repercussions and has the potential to tear humanity apart.  This is just not something I want to be a part of, nor do I want that here in the club.

Second, we must also try to understand that some people simply cannot take the vaccine.  Are we going to throw exceptions to these people?  I mean, do they need to come to a car website and read about how much of a bad human they are just because they don't fit into the statistics we've all read on the CDC's website?  Do you think that's fair?

Lastly, I don't understand why everyone is so opinionated about this topic.  Health is a personal decision, much like your sex life.  I don't know anyone asking if you like anal sex...  and I don't really want to know.

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2 hours ago, Mike said:

  I don't know anyone asking if you like anal sex...  and I don't really want to know.

Exit only!

Exit only!

 

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Yes, of course health is a personal decision. But my Z car friends won't catch your anal sex by standing next to you in line at Starbucks. In fact, by standing next to you in Starbucks, here's a partial list of things they won't catch from you:

Your cancer.
Your drug addiction.
Your heart disease.
Your obesity.
Your diabetes.

Lots and lots of people die from those, but the difference is YOU can't take me or my friends down with yours. And not only that, there isn't a vaccine to help prevent any of those. If we had a vaccine to reduce diabetes, I think it would be very popular and I don't think people would be diving for different corners because of it.

I think I put my thoughts on the matter into reasonably good words earlier:
https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/63698-covid-19/?page=67&tab=comments#comment-621155

On 5/6/2021 at 10:10 AM, Captain Obvious said:

I got my vaccine not only for myself but for my Z friends and everyone else I come into contact with. I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I want to visit with my Z buddies. I want to go to a Zcon and sit with a whole bunch of Jims and not take the risk of giving any of them a potentially deadly illness. And there's a way to make sure I don't. Get my vaccine.

I'm all for personal choice as long as it doesn't endanger other people. In other words, if the only person who is put at risk by your personal choice is YOU... Then go for it. But if your choice puts other people at risk that's not cool. You're removing their right to make their own choice by making it for them.

"If you're afraid of getting covid, you have a choice... You can choose to stay home."

"If you're afraid of getting vaccinated, you have a choice... You can choose to stay home."

Here's the difference:
If I don't have covid and I go out, I'm not putting anyone else at risk.
If I don't have the vaccine and I go out, I AM putting other people at risk.

 

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