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4 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

Spill grease!  Looks great!  Congrats

Ha!  Well, I did not have time to work ON garage, but I did have some time to work IN the garage.  Already spilled some grease.  I absolutely loved being able to work on a car without being cramped and bumping into walls and other stuff.

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Things to consider

- a sliding "dust" curtain for bodywork and paintwork

- ventilation intake and exhaust for said body and paintwork

- the mandatory four post lift

- industrial shelving for parts and equipment storage

- 220 power feed and running water if possible

- forced air furnace if needed (here in Canada it is a must!). 

- wet bar and 60" tv.... :P

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12 minutes ago, wheee! said:

Things to consider

- a sliding "dust" curtain for bodywork and paintwork

- ventilation intake and exhaust for said body and paintwork

- the mandatory four post lift

- industrial shelving for parts and equipment storage

- 220 power feed and running water if possible

- forced air furnace if needed (here in Canada it is a must!). 

- wet bar and 60" tv.... 😛

A four post lift is definitely on the must have list. I have 12' to the joists, so I should have plenty of height for that.

I like the idea of a dust curtain.  Ventilation and exhaust is a great idea too.  I never thought of that one.

Heat is another high priority.  I live in Wisconsin and it gets pretty cold here too.  I want to look into radiant tube heating.  My friend has that in his 1,500' hanger.  He keeps it at 65 degrees all winter long and it costs him about $40 a month.

The barn has 200 Amp Service with a lot of spare spots in the box left, so I just need to decide  where to place the outlets and what type.

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18 minutes ago, Marty Rogan said:

A four post lift is definitely on the must have list. I have 12' to the joists, so I should have plenty of height for that.

I like the idea of a dust curtain.  Ventilation and exhaust is a great idea too.  I never thought of that one.

Heat is another high priority.  I live in Wisconsin and it gets pretty cold here too.  I want to look into radiant tube heating.  My friend has that in his 1,500' hanger.  He keeps it at 65 degrees all winter long and it costs him about $40 a month.

The barn has 200 Amp Service with a lot of spare spots in the box left, so I just need to decide  where to place the outlets and what type.

Nice!

I have an industrial fan feeding air at about 15 cfm through a filter into my garage from the eaves to the centre of the garage. Then I have another fan pulling air out the back of the shop with an attached "pan" that I can slide under the car while painting. Effectively creating a downdraft paint booth.

I like forced air because I can keep the shop at 10 degrees C until I need to bump it up and then it heats up in about 2 minutes to 22 degrees C. Costs next to nothing to heat this way.

Also, find the biggest industrial air compressor you can afford. Go to an auction or whatever, and find a screw type compressor with a dehydrator, or at least a two stage 80 gallon unit. You will thank me later....

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8 minutes ago, wheee! said:

Nice!

I have an industrial fan feeding air at about 15 cfm through a filter into my garage from the eaves to the centre of the garage. Then I have another fan pulling air out the back of the shop with an attached "pan" that I can slide under the car while painting. Effectively creating a downdraft paint booth.

I like forced air because I can keep the shop at 10 degrees C until I need to bump it up and then it heats up in about 2 minutes to 22 degrees C. Costs next to nothing to heat this way.

Also, find the biggest industrial air compressor you can afford. Go to an auction or whatever, and find a screw type compressor with a dehydrator, or at least a two stage 80 gallon unit. You will thank me later....

I knew that I need to get a compressor.  I never had the space for one, so I don't know what to look for.  Thanks for the tips.

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Oh that's a nice setup!  But, will you ever have time to work on your car considering all that lawn you have to mow?  😉

 

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1 minute ago, Mike said:

Oh that's a nice setup!  But, will you ever have time to work on your car considering all that lawn you have to mow?  😉

 

I bought a 61" commercial zero turn mower.  It can do up to 10 MPH on flat ground.  It takes me about 3 1/2 hours to cut.  I usually do it over 2 days, so  it does not feel like lawn mowing is my second career.  And with the zero turn, it s ALMOST fun.

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Also, consider improving the lighting with some LED shop lamps spaced nicely around the barn, along with some wall mounted units to see better. Especially if you are creating a body and paint area.

Run a length of 3/4" pipe off your compressor around the barn with multiple 'drops' for air lines. Don't forget a good dehydrator as well if you don't get the pro industrial unit. 

Get a good quality sound system! it will make the time out there much more pleasant! You may also want to consider some wireless surveillance cameras both inside and out of the shop. I wish I had done a goPro or something like that as well, kind of like @Home Built by Jeff does to record my progress.

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11 minutes ago, Marty Rogan said:

I bought a 61" commercial zero turn mower.  It can do up to 10 MPH on flat ground.  It takes me about 3 1/2 hours to cut.  I usually do it over 2 days, so  it does not feel like lawn mowing is my second career.  And with the zero turn, it s ALMOST fun.

Ah, yes that makes it an easier job.  I had a big piece of property (with grass) and it can be a big job...  As far as toys, your shop is just begging for a lift (after you figure out the climate control)...

Edit:  Those lights look like they might not be enough..  not sure.

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3 hours ago, Marty Rogan said:

I bought a 61" commercial zero turn mower.  It can do up to 10 MPH on flat ground.  It takes me about 3 1/2 hours to cut.  I usually do it over 2 days, so  it does not feel like lawn mowing is my second career.  And with the zero turn, it s ALMOST fun.

My Exmark going backwards is faster than my Dad's Scag going forward.  It makes him so mad! LOL

I have a mulching deck on mine and just finished cleaning my yard.  It looks like a vacuumed yard and as you say it IS fun.

Ahh man that is a beautiful place you have. :beer:

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Great space.

Get/make yourself some good benches, and I suggest at least 1 with a nice thick steel top so you can bash away on it and weld on it. If you put castors on it helps as well, so you can move it around if need be. I should have done it years ago. Also closed storage is much better than open shelves. It looks neater and keeps the dust out. With that roof height, I would consider building a mezzanine at some stage as extra storage is always worth while (no matter how big your space is you will always fill it and want more 😉 ) .

For a compressor always go as big as you can, and even consider putting it outside, or in an insulated box, as they are really noisy.

With a big space like that, something that may become an issue, is that you quickly run out of wall space. If that becomes an issue it can be worth thinking about making 'walls', eg, putting cabinets back to back moving into the centre of the space. I was amazed at having a good size garage and suddenly running out of wall space. 

In any case, planning what to do with that big space is a good problem to have.

 

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1 hour ago, siteunseen said:

My Exmark going backwards is faster than my Dad's Scag going forward.  It makes him so mad! LOL

I have a mulching deck on mine and just finished cleaning my yard.  It looks like a vacuumed yard and as you say it IS fun.

Ahh man that is a beautiful place you have. :beer:

 

Thanks for the compliment.  I am really getting to like being in the country, away from the congested city.

I looked at Exmark, but they were pretty expensive and they would not deal on it.  I ended up with a Ferris.  The specs on it were about the same as the Exmark.  It started out much cheaper, were willing to deal and then they issued a $400 rebate.  It was a no brainer at that point.

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1 hour ago, Home Built by Jeff said:

Great space.

Get/make yourself some good benches, and I suggest at least 1 with a nice thick steel top so you can bash away on it and weld on it. If you put castors on it helps as well, so you can move it around if need be. I should have done it years ago. Also closed storage is much better than open shelves. It looks neater and keeps the dust out. With that roof height, I would consider building a mezzanine at some stage as extra storage is always worth while (no matter how big your space is you will always fill it and want more 😉 ) .

For a compressor always go as big as you can, and even consider putting it outside, or in an insulated box, as they are really noisy.

With a big space like that, something that may become an issue, is that you quickly run out of wall space. If that becomes an issue it can be worth thinking about making 'walls', eg, putting cabinets back to back moving into the centre of the space. I was amazed at having a good size garage and suddenly running out of wall space. 

In any case, planning what to do with that big space is a good problem to have.

 

Thanks Jeff,

A work bench is definitely higher up on my priority list.  My wife was suggesting that I buy a work bench.  The ones I looked at seemed pretty sturdy, with steel bases and a 1 inch hardwood top, in either 6" or 8" sizes.  However, they were only  24" wide.  That seemed too narrow to me.  How wide is your bench?

I was thinking it may be a better idea to just build one.  Then I could make it to any size I like.  I was also thinking about making it slightly taller too, so I would not have to bend over to work on stuff.

I really like the idea of a steel top and having it on casters.  Having a lot of the shop be flexible in the configuration is really desirable.

Putting the compressor outside in an insulated box makes a lot of sense.  Why put up with all that noise if you don't have too.

As a good friend of mine always says "The planning is 80% of the fun in a project".  I plan to have a lot of fun this winter!

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That's a beautiful place. I love the landscaping around the house. Your shop is 2 1/2 times larger than mine! what I could hoard up in there! ROFL

I would locate the compressor outside, but it needs to be protected from freezing. It makes it hard to start up and residual water can freeze in the lines.

Distributed air is really nice. Also a lot of wall outlets 44" off the floor. That way there is counter height power everywhere. Good work benches a must. A metal topped bench is really nice. I agree on ventilation. I also want as much light as I can get. I want operating room bright. I would switch them on multiple switches so I can run what I want and get it brighter when needed. Enclosed storage is nice or even a dedicated parts room. You could make the ceiling of the parts room the mezzanine area like Jeff suggested. I can help you size the framing if you need help. I might want a partition to keep tractors, mowers and small engine tools separate from the shop area with separate access doors. Some 220v power for a good welder. Hot and cold water and a bathroom. I also have a stacked washer dryer in my shop bathroom. I wash grungy rags, drop clothes and shop towels in it

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Marty,

I didn't catch your square footage and dimensions.  I'm in the process of building a garage and I'm really enjoying all the comments.  You're are going to spend as much money 'setting up shop' as you spent on the whole building !   Interesting construction type - post and truss framing with siding on purin or bent framing.  Lovely piece of property!

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3 hours ago, Marty Rogan said:

Thanks Jeff,

A work bench is definitely higher up on my priority list.  My wife was suggesting that I buy a work bench.  The ones I looked at seemed pretty sturdy, with steel bases and a 1 inch hardwood top, in either 6" or 8" sizes.  However, they were only  24" wide.  That seemed too narrow to me.  How wide is your bench?

 

My Bench is 1200mm wide from memory (so 4'). 

I didn't think about the compressor freezing outside, as that is not an issue we have to consider here. 

Like you said, the planning is half the fun, you just don't want to fill it with too much junk before you have your plan worked out 😉

 

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One more thing to think about before you go too far, is painting the floor. Makes it much easier to clean up and looks better for longer, but it is pretty hard to do once you start filling it 😉 

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I would prefer barn owls over barn cats,  but that's just me.

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2 hours ago, Patcon said:

That's a beautiful place. I love the landscaping around the house. Your shop is 2 1/2 times larger than mine! what I could hoard up in there! ROFL

I would locate the compressor outside, but it needs to be protected from freezing. It makes it hard to start up and residual water can freeze in the lines.

Distributed air is really nice. Also a lot of wall outlets 44" off the floor. That way there is counter height power everywhere. Good work benches a must. A metal topped bench is really nice. I agree on ventilation. I also want as much light as I can get. I want operating room bright. I would switch them on multiple switches so I can run what I want and get it brighter when needed. Enclosed storage is nice or even a dedicated parts room. You could make the ceiling of the parts room the mezzanine area like Jeff suggested. I can help you size the framing if you need help. I might want a partition to keep tractors, mowers and small engine tools separate from the shop area with separate access doors. Some 220v power for a good welder. Hot and cold water and a bathroom. I also have a stacked washer dryer in my shop bathroom. I wash grungy rags, drop clothes and shop towels in it

It sounds like a large (4'x8??) metal topped bench on casters is the way to go.

Right now there are 10 pretty crappy barn style lights in there.  I bought some LED light fixtures that I believe are 6500 lumens each. I am going to need more than 10 of them though.  If I go with a white steel ceiling that should make it pretty bright, I would think.

One of the original plans was to put in a 6'x10' bathroom, with a shower, so I could get cleaned up before going back into the house.  My architect student son laid it out for me.  I figured the parts mezzanine would go up on top of there.  As I start to price things out, I am afraid it would cost too much to put in the bathroom.  The barn is 200+ feet from the house.  That is a lot of trenching, water and waste pipes. I would also need to tie that into the existing septic tank, if that is even possible. Another car guy down the block wants to do the same.  He got a quote of $3K just for a septic tank.  I will have to think real hard on that part.

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