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2 hours ago, Mike said:

Grabbed a few photos from the CL ad...  Looks like the existing owner is a fellow flyboy..  😉 (green headset in the back)

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I noticed too. The pilots I know are meticulous as hell.

Beer edit: Mike those could be a strategically placed selling tool. He's removed everything else. Smart guy in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Johnny Danger said:

This is the other car he's selling:

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/d/datsun-280z-1977/6690732269.html

Just a touch outside of my budget.

Seems like a nice enough guy in the correspondence we've had. He obviously digs cars.

Uh oh, you've crossed the line now! :finger:

 LOL

Please don't buy a heavy nosed Z. They suck.

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30 minutes ago, JSM said:

This one was tastefully done in my opinion. Looks nice and clean too. Minus the auto

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/1973-datsun-240z-sb-chevy-350/6677672989.html

What is that I see coming out the back?  Let me clean my monitor and squint my eyes... nope still seeing double..  

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18 minutes ago, Mike said:

What is that I see coming out the back?  Let me clean my monitor and squint my eyes... nope still seeing double..  

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Looks like a little delamination on the trailing edge of the left rear fender flair.  I'm sensing "lipstick on a pig" with this one.

Dennis

 

 

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The CL ad does have some of the typical buyer beware stuff in it.  He wants a Z, just not this one.

" I'm just testing the water's so to speak here, seeing if someone out there might be looking for a toy like this. I'm looking for a more Stock 240z to have and drive, is the only reason this is up for sale."

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9 hours ago, Johnny Danger said:

 he has a more cavalier attitude?

 

 

This is definitely the most encompassing way to describe Cliff

9 hours ago, Johnny Danger said:

 

Also, yes the clean silver car looks clean, but there is not much in the way of interior shots, the dash is probably cracked, one of the seats has a cover, no good shot of the driver seat. And when I asked for mileage and whether or not any recent work had been done, all I got was a mileage number and "It runs and drives." I kind of wonder if the guy actually wants to sell the car. So while the paint and body seem spot on, almost everything else is an unknown. That and I really don't necessarily want T-tops.

The black car is majorly sketchy on body work, but that may actually matter less to me at this point than the recent mechanical work and knowing the major things are already taken care of. New A/C components and refrigerant conversion is a huge chunk of money I know I wouldn't have to spend. But what might be the nail in the coffin on that deal is that early on the seller said the brakes needed to be bled. I asked him if there was a specific point that he remembers the brakes having issues. And he says that he "let the brake fluid get too low" which caused air to get in the lines. But man, that sure as hell sounds like a brake fluid leak to me. I would also need to get a really good look at all of the calipers and the master cylinder to inspect for leaks. At that point, he'd have to come down more on the price. He actually started at $6K going back to old FB marketplace posts.

 

Further to my conversation with JSM yesterday, I kind of wonder how the market in Florida is compared to here. If you can find me a clean 82 or 83 for $4k in Florida, I'll fly out and pick one up. I've got plenty of airline points.

The silver car looks good and the center console in the picture is very clean. It would be my first choice between these two cars. The dash might have cracks, but most Z's do. It might not though if that rug has been on there a long time. Seats are a really easy fix and cheap. Body and paint work is not easy or cheap and it is difficult to do at home. The front right fender on the silver car looks like a different color. So I would look for damage on the inside of the engine bay on the passenger side and the radiator support. the T-tops can leak but they add value to the car too. Mileage doesn't scare me too much on either of the cars as far as mechanicals go. The engines are very durable and so are the transmissions if they're not abused. What goes bad with lots of mileage are all the little parts: window regulators, switches, seat mechanisms, wiper motors, blower motors, etc

I would be concerned about rust on the black car and the rear tail light panel will take a considerable amount of money to look right again. I wonder if there is crash damage under any of that, which necessitated the changes. I would be more interested in the silver one over the back one. For the cost of making the body right on the black one you can do a lot of mechanical work. Also the brake leak may not be obvious if the master is leaking into the booster

As for buying a car out of Florida, you are better buying one from Texas, as long as you avoid the coast. You could also shop further West. The cars further West should have less rust. Some of the other aspects may be more sunburnt but a whole interior could be bought used for probably a $1,000, for that matter you could find a rust bucket from somewhere else and take anything off it to move to whatever car you find.

The condensed version: Buy the best body and paint you can afford, all the other stuff is easier to over come. Paint jail is not and rust is a slow death waiting...

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I definitely agree that the silver car is the smart choice here. But it also does not excite me at all. Like I almost dislike it. If it were black or red or blue, I could get excited.

The black car has some things I need to get a closer look at, but it honestly speaks to me more. As long as the fenders aren't flying off I can drive it as is. I have a contact for body work that can match paint really well. The cost of fixing that would probably be as much as or a little more than just the a/c work done on the black Z.

Yeah, the tail lights sten't sexy, but I can deal with that and I also have freedom to try other things.

I guess I'm on track to get banished to the HybridZ forum?

EDIT: This is all presuming I don't find rust damage on the black car.

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40 minutes ago, Johnny Danger said:

I guess I'm on track to get banished to the HybridZ forum? 

You will find this forum is pretty tolerant overall. Much more so than HybridZ. They do some really cool stuff at HybridZ and have come up with some really neat swaps that are efficient and cost friendly, but tolerant, not so much.

If you know what you are looking for as far as color then don't just pic between these two cars. There are tons of ZX cars available. Don't be afraid to go out a little farther to look for cars. If you find one in a different state then maybe there is a member there close by that will look at it for you or you can post the ad and we can pick it over. Also I have owned a black Z wouldn't want another one, especially in Texas.

Try this to widen your search www.searchtempest.com

 

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48 minutes ago, Johnny Danger said:

The black car has some things I need to get a closer look at, but it honestly speaks to me more. As long as the fenders aren't flying off I can drive it as is.

If you like it, buy it.  Every car that any forum member owns here probably has 50 other members who wouldn't have bought it.  Some members have never even driven their cars.  Something for everybody here.

Take a pocketful of cash over there and take it for a test drive.  

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Again, I do appreciate everyone's input. And again, you don't get a name like this by making good decisions.

But on a serious note, when I go to check this thing out, where should I look extra hard for hidden rust issues. I know the floorboards and frame rails are the big ones, but you mentioned the spare tire area. Am I mainly looking underneath the rear mat/carpet or am I also looking for rust underneath in that area?

Thanks!

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The spare tire well on a ZX is on the passenger side behind the panel. Unlike the S30, the spare tire is stored vertically and water can collect at the bottom. You wouldn't see it unless you removed the spare tire. I swiped these images from google...

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Yes. The '83 in really rough shape I look at was sitting outside and it has been raining a lot lately. I lifted the mat and immediately saw water sitting in the floor and in that spot. No bueno.

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21 hours ago, Patcon said:

The condensed version: Buy the best body and paint you can afford, all the other stuff is easier to over come. Paint jail is not and rust is a slow death waiting...

Best advice ever. I would add make sure it’s the color you like. 

Five years ago I sold my families favorite Z because no ac and the color sucked. Sold it for 7k. Kid I sold it to totaled 2 weeks later and got 10k from insurance. I just couldn’t justify spending 8k on a 7k valued car. My daughter had hopes it was going to be hers. 

Somone put $$$ in that car. Luckily I only had $3600 in it. 

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23 hours ago, psdenno said:

Looks like a little delamination on the trailing edge of the left rear fender flair.  I'm sensing "lipstick on a pig" with this one.

Dennis

Oh I missed that. They almost looked like metal flares. It’s flares, not flairs right? I always forget. 

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1 hour ago, JSM said:

 It’s flares, not flairs right? I always forget. 

Only a slight insignificant difference.  Kind of like the story I heard on the news yesterday about the lady who thought she was lighting a candle during a recent power outage and it turned out to be a stick of dynamite.

https://people.com/human-interest/connecticut-woman-blows-off-hand-mistaking-dynamite-for-candle/

 

Dennis

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6 hours ago, siteunseen said:

I'll take my dynamite out of the junk drawer and put it in the cabinet above the stove.

 

 

Or, do what that lady would recommend and put it in the oven to keep it dry.  :boom:

Dennis

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Well, that was a bust. The car ran well enough and drove well enough. Manual steering was a bitch with the wider tires, but still.

The bodywork issues were all stuff you could basically rip off by hand. Just fiberglass with a foam filler. No metal cut from the fenders. The factory air dam was actually underneath that fiberglass bumper on the front. However, they did a hell of a job welding over the holes for the original tail lights. I could see from the back where they left the stock tabs. So it would be possible to cut it back out, but definitely not fun. But the definite "nope" factor was the terrible, terrible paint job. It was originally red and you could see it peaking out of every seam. I could do a better paint job with a six pack in me. If it had been black rattle can on top of factory black, that would have been better. Or maybe on a more valuable car (like a 280z) I might have looked past it.

Also, the master cylinder was definitely leaking at the brake booster, which probably means into the brake booster, which means you'll most likely have to replace both. Not the end of the world but definitely not helping the car's case.

Overall, it was a solid enough car. No real rust issues I could see. I found just a touch of water in the back and it's been raining off and on like all month here, so it must be sitting outside.

 

So this brings me to my next point. I was initially looking at the ZX cars because they seem to be cheaper than the S30 cars out there, but now I wonder if it wouldn't be better to look at "runner" S30 cars. The quick dig I did for parts on the ZX kind of showed me that I could get just about anything and everything for a Z car, but not so much the ZX. Would it be possible to find something like a 280Z without rust in running condition for $5K or is that just insanity? I've got time. I could keep my eyes open and maybe early next year fly out and drive one back to Texas.

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I would say you are not likely to find a no rust Z for anywhere near that. Keep you eyes open. I would say you are looking at a min of 7-8k for a late model S30 and that would be a deal. You would be better off getting about 10-15k and getting one that is in really good shape.

 

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