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    On 12/5/2019 at 2:03 PM, kats said:

    Hi , a 1970 Z432 , PS30- 00243 is now on Yahoo Japan auction.

    That's a beautiful car, love the detail of it. There is a link to an album with more photos and a video of it too. S20 sounds beautiful. I really like the sound of it compared with a more simple L-series engine.

    I get the same feeling looking at the S20 as I do when I look at my RB26, I just feel they are a very special engine, it's kind of hard to quantify it, but it's the look, sound, smell and simple/yet complex nature of these motors and their excellent engineering that draws me to them.

    Safari Gold is quite rare for a Z432 isn't it? I have that optional lower lip (rubber/urethane lip) sitting in my garage and the headlight covers. But the lip actually belongs to a friend in North America and I've been gently prodding him to sell it to me. I went all the way down to Wollongong 1 weekend and back to collect it for him a couple of years ago and haven't seen another for sale since then. It's a beautiful piece compared with the fiberglass copies.

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    22 minutes ago, Gav240z said:

    That's a beautiful car, love the detail of it. There is a link to an album with more photos and a video of it too. S20 sounds beautiful. I really like the sound of it compared with a more simple L-series engine.

    I get the same feeling looking at the S20 as I do when I look at my RB26, I just feel they are a very special engine, it's kind of hard to quantify it, but it's the look, sound, smell and simple/yet complex nature of these motors and their excellent engineering that draws me to them.

    Safari Gold is quite rare for a Z432 isn't it? I have that optional lower lip (rubber/urethane lip) sitting in my garage and the headlight covers. But the lip actually belongs to a friend in North America and I've been gently prodding him to sell it to me. I went all the way down to Wollongong 1 weekend and back to collect it for him a couple of years ago and haven't seen another for sale since then. It's a beautiful piece compared with the fiberglass copies.

    Would love to see pics of the optional lower lip. 

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    30 minutes ago, hiyabrad said:

    Would love to see pics of the optional lower lip. 

    Same as this 1. I can get photos of the 1 in my garage if you want, but it's all dusty 🙂

     

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    Can only just see it below here.

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    and at front here.

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    I believe it was common on UK spec cars.

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    31 minutes ago, hiyabrad said:

    Would love to see pics of the optional lower lip. 

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    Here are some pictures of PS30-00187 , the most famous Z432-R . Mr. Takeuchi add this front spoiler which was euro standard equipment at some point in the past .

    I visited a craftsman with Mr. Takeuchi , the craftsman was doing and almost finished restoration of this Z432-R several years ago. 
    I took some pictures , you will see the spoiler clearly.

    Kats

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    Hi Gavin , safari gold is rare I think too .

    They are not Auction but currently three Z432 are available here , 

    https://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/search.php?CARC=NI_S026&AL=1&SORT=4&STID=SMPH0001

    Two white ( one of them 1969 made )  , one orange.

    And this green car was for sale 16,500,000 Yen at  カーセンサー recently. Some weeks ago it was dropped so someone  bought I think . The car is a survivor, very original car . I even may want it to be as it is to enjoy its patina look . This car can be drivable easily.

    Kats

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    2 hours ago, kats said:

    And this green car was for sale 16,500,000 Yen at  カーセンサー recently. Some weeks ago it was dropped so someone  bought I think . The car is a survivor, very original car . I even may want it to be as it is to enjoy its patina look . This car can be drivable easily.

    I would love love love to get my hands on that car! I saw it for sale a while ago in GooNet, I believe it was hidden under a rickety shed/garage with a tarp/cover over it..

    It looks to have some rust issues, but like you say very very original and would make an excellent patina project. Although Kats I think you want your cars to be of a certain standard so it may be hard to resist re-painting it.

    I have the same dilemma with my white 71 240z.. which I was just working on. I polished it up nicely, but the paint has many flaws in it. And I am not sure I can resist repainting / restoring the car long term.. it would be a very easy restoration compared with my Safari Gold car and 907 Green early 240z.

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    Quick report,

    1970 Z432 hammered price is 1480 0000 JPY

    1970 Z432R hammered price is 8050 0000 JPY . Z432R had only three bidders, phone bidder won just in a few minutes .

    Kats

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    So , at least four Z432-Rs  changed their owners with in a couple of years recently including this PS30-00289 . Two of them changed hands privately . And one of them is now for sale .

    Kats

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    Looks like about a 3-4x “R” premium over a top Z432, which seems not totally unexpected (assuming of course that the sale is real and consummated).   For those with the means who have been patiently waiting for decades to own one before they die, this public auction represented a unique opportunity. If you are pushing 70+ years of age, time is suddenly short.  I feel for the underbidder.

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    LOL Alan. btw I have a white cat that sits at the table.  His name is Hank and he fetches like a dog... my lil buddy.image.png

     

    Here is Bronte at 21 years. She ruled the house:

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    Two years ago , 00289 was like this , and at the car show the price tag was over 80 million JPY , every body thought “ no way “ .

    But why this time it was sold ? I think one of the reason is this car improved its appearance better . Even some parts are still not correct for the Z432-R , but this car now looked more proper, more original. 
    This means S30 has so beautiful design for exterior and interior,  designers did great job ! You don’t need to change something to look the car better ( but I really love to see modified car too ! ) .

    Kats

     

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    Kats - could be a sign of positive vibes on the Japanese economy?  Of note, there were a few other strong prices at the auction - the C110 GTR fetched what I'd think is a leading price.  It's hard to discern condition through photos, so perhaps it was worth the price paid.  I've previously seen over-the-top Yen paid for cars which are bona fide unrestored pristine examples. 

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    58 minutes ago, xs10shl said:

    Kats - could be a sign of positive vibes on the Japanese economy?  Of note, there were a few other strong prices at the auction - the C110 GTR fetched what I'd think is a leading price.  It's hard to discern condition through photos, so perhaps it was worth the price paid.  I've previously seen over-the-top Yen paid for cars which are bona fide unrestored pristine examples. 

    Hi xs10shl , Japanese economy is getting better for someone , we have Tokyo Olympic Games this year , but most of people can’t feel our life is getting better economically.
     

    Like you said , the GTR sold for over 30 million JPY , probably that could be the first time for the KPGC10 (two door GTR up to 1972) sold in that high .
    This GTR too , some  parts are not correct ( the most obvious thing is the steel wheels borrowed from sedans ) for this car but appearance is really good, clean and paint job is fantastic. These points made this car over 30 million JPY, I think .

    Kats

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    2 hours ago, kats said:

    Like you said , the GTR sold for over 30 million JPY , probably that could be the first time for the KPGC10 (two door GTR up to 1972) sold in that high .

    Just to clarify: Watanabe's C10 GTR might even be considered inexpensive and very well bought, assuming it's superb pedigree checks out (which likely makes it eligible for pretty much any historic 2000CC-class race worldwide). As far as the restored KPGC10 street car goes - IMHO 33 Million was expensive, but, as a data point, there was a super original KPGC10 with very low miles that went for similar pricing, maybe 5 years ago, in Japan as well. 

    The KPGC110 was the car I was primarily referring to - I have not heard or seen one sell at the 45,000,000+ level that this example achieved, but I admittedly have not been paying attention in the last few years.  Perhaps interest has strengthened? Maybe this one ticked all the right boxes for the buyer. 

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    19 hours ago, HS30-H said:

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    Imagine how much the 432-R would be worth if it was blessed by Mr K's signature?

    PS: Looks like the Boomers have figured out how to "meme" hehe. Or are you Gen X? I probably shouldn't ask. :).

    Waiting for the Jalopnik article to write about the "crazy" price paid for a "240z"...and all the LS swaps are better/faster comments on Facebook from the philistines. Can't wait.

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    14 hours ago, kats said:

    Hi xs10shl , Japanese economy is getting better for someone , we have Tokyo Olympic Games this year , but most of people can’t feel our life is getting better economically.

    Seems to be happening in many Western Countries. Who would have thought that setting interest rates super low for so long would have such an adverse impact on everyone's living standards?

    14 hours ago, kats said:

    Like you said , the GTR sold for over 30 million JPY , probably that could be the first time for the KPGC10 (two door GTR up to 1972) sold in that high .
    This GTR too , some  parts are not correct ( the most obvious thing is the steel wheels borrowed from sedans ) for this car but appearance is really good, clean and paint job is fantastic. These points made this car over 30 million JPY, I think .

    I think related to my above comment that low interest rates are contributing to asset price inflation, that includes assets such as classic cars. GTRs of all shapes and sizes seem to be surging in value in the last few years. I think because of the North American 25 year rule opening up imports of R32, R33 (soon) and R34 GTRs (are being stored until eligible). I can't blame them, the GTRs were phenomenal cars and as you probably know Kats the R32 GTRs had a very successful racing history in Australia. I always liked them, but prices have gone nuts in the last few years. Nissan has started to remake the RB26 and parts for the 90s era Skylines.

    Even my Nissan Stagea (260rs) seems to be going up in value. I think this has increased the value of earlier Skylines and interest also. As people look to the original cars. I've noted even the non GTRs (KGC10)s are now $100k+ AUD for a good replica. DR30's and R31's have been getting more interest also. The humble Datsun 240K (2 Door Coupes) are selling for more than S30Z's in Australia. Despite (IMHO) the Z's being better cars.

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1970-nissan-skyline-2000-gt-manual/SSE-AD-6323508/?Cr=1 ($150k asking price for C10 GTR replica).

    Of course it's not just the GTRs that have been going up, my FD RX-7 has also trebled in value since 2010, NSX and Supra's have gone nuts too.

    I think in part it's a demographic shift and the impact of movies like Fast and Furious franchises, low interest rates but also limited supply of certain cars and the analog feel of these older models which lack CANBUS nonsense that makes it hard for a backyard mechanic/hobbyist to tinker with them. The 90s was a Golden era of Japanese cars and I think the interest and price rise of the 90s era stuff has piqued interest in the earlier origin models.

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    1 hour ago, 240260280 said:

    Prediction: F10 will be the next to exceed $100k 🙂

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    That's an E10.

     

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