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15 hours ago, Blue said:

Your posts are very entertaining... too bad you don't share that hoard of data you sit on. They would be much more useful and less hurtful.

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How ironic.  If you used the search function for more than just “hoovering” and reposting other people’s photos you would see that Alan has shared quite a bit of the information he’s acquired over the years.  If not for people like Alan and Kats obtaining, translating, and sharing the information they’ve gathered and obsrved first hand, we’d know a lot less about the family of S30 cars and how they differed across models and markets around the world.  Why don’t you post in Kat’s great Datsun 240Z vs Fairlady Z432 thread how you think his car is just an overpriced 240Z with girly named badges?  http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/

 

Several people in this thread have made great comparisons to put in context why a Z432 costs so much more than a NA 240Z, but you ignore that and focus on the horse power specs and make unrealistic comparisons to modern cars.  Clearly you don’t get what makes a Z432 special or appreciate it for what it is.  I don’t think that you speak for the majority of people on this site (at least I am hopeful that you don’t) and you certainly don’t speak for all of North America, so please quit making broad sweeping statements like you have been.

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Read the first post and my first post. In fact all my posts. They are on topic and funny too.  Sorry I have an opinion on the price of that 432 selling in the USA. 

 

The Fear LadyBoy joke was just chain yanking like this sentence.  I have the utmost respect for Kats and his work of art.

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He speaks for me and everybody that owns EFI cars plus 95% of the forum.  Just not you and "Her Majesty" the queen.  His views are none of my business but all the money he has saved me and thousands of other people just by being a kind and helpful person with his Tech Tips is something I'm waiting on you to do.  As long as I've been active here I cannot recall a single positive post from you.

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1 hour ago, Blue said:

Read the first post and my first post. In fact all my posts. They are on topic and funny too.  

I think that's funny peculiar rather than funny ha ha...

You put too much bait on your hook. You're only catching bottom feeders. The magic post-editing on the other hand is something to behold. It does however beg the question as to why it is so often necessary? Can't get it right before hitting the submit button? Change your mind after a little bit of reflection? Self doubt...? 

Suggestion: How about - rather than offering an opinion on the topic of the 432 in general being all but worthless and more than a little bit off limits for those perhaps not too sure of their own sexual identity - making some observations about the particular car in question? You know, the one that's actually for sale? The specific car that's (allegedly) the topic of this thread. Surely the Mother Theresa of the first gen Z world has some wisdom to impart for the good of 'The Community'? ;-)  

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You read between the lines too much and analyze too much.... let your hair down and have some fun dude.  It is just a car.   My equation is just the opinion of one.  Why do you care so much about my opinion?  Kinda of weird creepy when you think about it?

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Hey guys, this is a great argument but can you carry on a healthy conversation?  This means no direct attacks to a person (or persons).  Argue all you want about the CAR or the crazy prices they are asking (for this car especially).  Thanks.

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Mike, people have seen my posts, the ones you keep deleting.  Why do you keep deleting my rational logical statements but leave HS30's name-calling "dimwit" post?  You keep saying that you're unbiased but then you keep biasing your editing.

Just explain it one time on the public forum so that we all understand what's going on.  You're not making sense.  How is what I post different from what HS30 is posting?  One simple explanation will do.  I don't get it.

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I think a big problem with a lot of opinions being thrown around and especially those trashing these cars and their values is that those same folks have never..

A.) Driven an S20 powered s30z

B.) Owned an S20 powered car.

C.) Looked into the vast array of differences between L-gata and 'budget' conscious S30z, and compared it with the higher spec Z432 or Z432-R models.

 

If they did any of the above they may better appreciate what makes these cars special.

 

Badge or Emblem snobbery goes a long way towards dismissing the value of Japanese classics and has for a long time, but slowly and surely it is changing.

I wonder if those dismissing the value of said vehicles also feel that the Toyota 2000gt, L10A Mazda Cosmo or KPGC10 Skyline GTRs are also over priced?

Do you feel the same way about air cooled 911s?

Does the idea of a clean 4 cylinder 912 at $50k USD make you feel ill? Or is it just the "Datsun" you think is overpriced?

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Really, it's just that I called out somebody for name-calling yet the name-calling is still there.  And the point of the thread (this is on-topic) was to have a little bit of fun with incomprehensible valuations.  Who really understands being able to spend $225,000 on a single car?  It started out as fun and went south with one single post.  Let's be clear.

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8 minutes ago, Gav240z said:

If they did any of the above they may better appreciate what makes these cars special.

I think that what's really going on here is that there are a few people who feel a bit lonely that other people don't appreciate the value of what they have.

 Everyone agrees that you can't define value for other people.  You just can't, it's up to the individual.  fF a person doesn't like something that's their prerogative.  But this whole thread is an attempt to sway other people's opinions.  But it's having the opposite of the intended effect.  Calling somebody a dimwit because they don't feel the way that you do is like calling someone an idiot because their favorite color is different from yours, or because they don't like tea.  It's irrational.

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Of all the vocabulary used to describe people in this thread I think "dimwit" is pretty moderate. Certainly not that bad compared to what I see in a lot of other avenues of the Internet, I'd almost say it was a polite way of insulting someone. 

Of course someone is entitled to express an opinion but to down right trash or degrade these cars when you already apparently own 1 makes no sense to me. Especially if you've never like I say driven, owned or experienced 1 of these cars for yourself.

I have to ask the question? Why are they here? Isn't the Classiczcar.com club all about preservation, restoration and appreciation of these cars? If you want to discuss how rubbish the original engines were I'm sure Hybridz.org would love to have you and encourage you to stick an LS lump in it and be done with it.

I also happen to own an FD RX-7 and I'm constantly told by "experts" that the rotary is a rubbish unreliable engine that eats apex seals within 10 miles and produces no torque.. When I ask them if they have ever driven 1 or owned 1, I usually get a deafening  silence... In my opinion those too happy to trash and diss something based on what they read on the Internet are just a bunch of virtue signaling "dimwits" and should be ignored anyway.

Now can we get back to discussing how great these cars are?

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2 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Mike, people have seen my posts, the ones you keep deleting.  Why do you keep deleting my rational logical statements but leave HS30's name-calling "dimwit" post?  You keep saying that you're unbiased but then you keep biasing your editing.

Just explain it one time on the public forum so that we all understand what's going on.  You're not making sense.  How is what I post different from what HS30 is posting?  One simple explanation will do.  I don't get it.

I only delete entirely off-topic posts or ones that I receive complaints.  Please send me your complaints and I'll take a look at it.

Zed Head, I tend to also remove your posts because you have a way of dominating a conversation by posting too many replies.  May I suggest that you rationalize your thoughts about a topic and submit a single post with your information?

Lastly, I do not tolerate trolling.  If you need a definition, please look here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

One of our former members, Enrique (escanlon) put together a very good terms and conditions for our site and I think it hits home right now.  Please take a look and remember, he died at a very early age.  I cannot see him, talk to him, nor can I insult or thank him.  He would appreciate this thread I'm sure.  When you guys are beating each other over the head, remember "life is short."  Treat each other with respect because you don't know if you'll see that guy again.

Mike

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Thanks Mike.  I had intended to browse though those Conditions to see what I was missing.  I have followed your advice re a post, with two items specifically called out.

Appreciate it.  The internet can be difficult.

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