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FastWoman, I hear ya loud and clear!! However, from my experience, if you're only 0 for 2, your journey has just begun!

 

I trolled casually for a Z car for at least two years before I finally caught one. Short story is that I was slowly working on rebuilding one but was always keeping my eyes open for one for sale that was less (or different kind of) work than what I already had. I must have looked at forty cars before I finally found one that truly WAS worth stepping away from what I was already working on. And even then, it wasn't that it didn't need work, it just needed a different KIND of work.

 

Became almost a joke... See an ad. Looks promising. Get in touch with the owner and ask him a bunch of specific questions like "Do the floors have any holes in them?" and get favorable answers like "No, the floors look great." Go to see the car and the floors has holes in them. WTF??? "Yeah, but they're small holes. Easy to fix...."

 

I would get home from an unsuccessful excursion and my response become"Goose Chase!!" Because that's what it seemed like. Every car I went to see was a wild goose chase. "Hey, how was that car you went to see?" And I would proclaim "Goose Chase!!"

 

So I don't know what the deal is, but my experience paralleled yours exactly. it seems like the people selling Datsun Z cars are collectively the most misrepresenting group of used car sellers I've ever come across. Ever. I don't know it it's optimism, denial, or desperation, but I've never run across a wider chasm of "difference of opinion" than I did when looking to buy a Z car.

 

All that said, if there's anything I can do from the Philadelphia area, let me know.

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Ah, gee....

 

On this goose chase thing....  If it takes looking at 40 cars before I find that nugget of gold, I think it's not worth it.  Part of this is a psychological thing:  I really can't stand people lying to me.  It takes something out of me, and that is a cost more significant than my time and gasoline.  I mean this isn't a matter of differences of opinion.  It's almost like my asking whether it's a 5-speed stick, getting a "yes" answer, and then finding out it's an automatic.  Then when I see the car and mention that it's an automatic, the owner says, well, yes, it is.  WTF?!  I simply wouldn't do that to someone else, and it truly hurts me that they would do it to me, especially when it means my spending a weekend driving across 2 states to see the damned car!

 

I feel as though I'm back to the drawing board.  If I were to stumble across a good 280ZX, I'd buy it, and that would be the solution.  Failing that, perhaps I'm best off just sticking with what I've got.  I need to do a couple of rust repairs, and then it will be a very nice car.  (It's already a very nice car.)

 

Ah well...

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There is a very clean,red, 82k miles one in the Roanoke area, not too far from you I think.

Unfortunately its a automatic. I know you want the 5 speed.  On craigslist & ebay - $6750 with no bids.

 

Just shows there are some promising ones out there.

 

 

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Sorry to hear your trip ended with no car as a result. I don't think I would have been so polite.

I spent 2 1/2 years casually looking as far as Germany and one in the north of France.

Captains post sounds very firmiliar.

Goodluck searching and try to be patiant;)

Chas

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Goose Chase!!! Just kidding of course and I do hope you find the right vehicle.

 

Have you come up with any other alternatives other than a 280ZX or a 300ZX? I've highlighted some of my perceived issues with the 300ZX prior, but one thing I can tell you is that it would probably be easier to find a 300 in much better shape than a 280. Just beware of the ricermobiles. Walk away from anything with painted interior parts, fiberglass aftermarket body kits, or anything that mentions "neon" in any context. :)

 

But surely there must be some other sporty T-top cars that are of interest?
 

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Well, I've since looked at a 1st gen and 2nd gen 300 under the hood.  The 2nd gen looks very difficult to service.  The 1st gen doesn't look too bad.   I'm still thinking on it.  I might look into that Mercedes recommendation a bit more.  Dunno...

 

Heck, I might even revisit the idea of a T-top Vette, although it really isn't my style.

 

Still thinking...

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If you're looking at mid '90s Mercedes watch out for problems with the wiring harness, especially under the hood. Apparently a lot of Mercedes models used biodegradable insulation on the wiring harness and there have been many issues. Just Google "Mercedes biodegradable wiring harness insulation".

 

Good luck with your search.

 

Mike

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I had a 1994 300ZX which is what I believe you are calling the second generation. So if you mean the 90-96 variety, then you saw what I was talking about with the engine compartment. It's packed. And mine wasn't even a TT (Twin Turbo).

 

Sure is pretty though. Here's the short period where I had both of them at the same time:

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I know it's just a Civic with a different body on it, but how about a Del Sol? I walked past one in a parking lot this afternoon and I gotta imagine that driving around on a beautiful sunny fall day with the targa top out might jussssst be enough to make you forget that you're driving a Civic? Maybe?

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Apparently a lot of Mercedes models used biodegradable insulation on the wiring harness and there have been many issues.

 

Wow. Some engineer ought to get his butt kicked for that one.

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Wow, Mercedes did that on purpose?!  Brilliant!  (I could mean that either literally or sarcastically.  I'm not sure which.)

 

The Del Sol is cute.

 

Hey, I'm now wondering about a C4 Corvette -- not the Hot Wheels style from the 70's, but the more dignified style from the 80's.  It's got a targa top (available also in glass/acrylic) and resin body panels.  I'm assuming it has space frame construction.  It's smaller than I thought -- not much larger than a 280Z -- shorter than the 280ZX.  It's not a bad looking car.  I get a bit wobbly-kneed seeing how the clam-shell hood flips up to reveal all the innards -- a bit reminiscent of the E-type.  It looks as though I could throw a blanket atop a wheel, have a seat in the engine compartment, and work comfortably on the motor.  I don't know much else about it yet, but my curiosity is definitely piqued.  Has anyone driven one of these things?

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Hmmm.... Well I feel like I'm the wet blanket with all your ideas, but I've spent some seat time in many of the corvette generations including the C4 and I'm not sold on the idea. In fact, I spent a couple hours driving a '94 C4 and then jumped right from there into the seat of my '94 300ZX and it was like night and day. The cars were both ten years old at the time and both cars had been stored indoors, babied by their owners, and had similar mileage, but the difference in how they aged was astounding.

 
Here's my most basic impression of the Corvette... It's a GM car.
 
The ten year old Vette was creaky, squeaky, and rattly. The dashboard shook up and down over bumps. The ride was jarring and a little squirrely. Felt like the rear end just couldn't figure out where it wanted to be, especially when accelerating. Almost like the differential was shifting back and forth from one side to the other even while in a straight line. Interior colors had started to fade and craze cracking had started to appear at the stress points. Steering wheel had started to get mushy.

You know... Like any other GM car.
 
My 300ZX on the other hand, drove like your typical ten year old Japanese import. Fit and finish was still excellent. Interior was excellent. Ride had gone a little soft because the suspension was used, but it was predictable. It felt absolutely fantastic compared to Vette. No squeaks or rattles. It didn't feel NEW, but it felt RIGHT.
 
So my bottom line is that while the Vette looks great and feels great when new, in the end it's just another GM vehicle with all the same crap that happens to any other GM vehicle. Interior foams turn to goo. interior panels squeak, suspension feels a little unpredictable, and the only reason it ever goes fast is because it's got a huge engine.
 
Take a good look at your Saturn. Has it started to fade yet?
 
And lastly if it isn't already bad. I've heard from some close friends who are Corvette owners that the Vette community is catty and snobbish. There is more competition than camaraderie and the people just aren't "nice". You know... Like we are.  :)
 
Boy do I feel like doggy downer... :(

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Thanks, Captain!  (Don't feel bad.  That's why I asked the question! ;) )

 

Regarding my Saturn...  No, the interior looks great, almost like the day I bought it, even with the car living all of its life in the driveway out in the sun.  Really.  There's only one break in the plastic panels -- a clip on a dash part that I accidentally broke off when removing the instrument cluster cover.  You can't see it, though.  I have one tiny rattle somewhere.  Upholstery has no rips or tears and is not faded.  The carpet has a wear spot under the pedals and is somewhat dirty.  The car is the picture of reliability, and it drives great -- and intuitively.  It's starting to use a bit of oil, but it's not bad.  I think the lifters probably need cleaning out, because I can hear the valve train clatter just a bit on startup.  There's one loud "gronk" somewhere in the front suspension when I back up with the wheel turned, but all the suspension parts are original to the car.  One little plastic gear rotted in my odometer, so I have no idea how far my car has rolled down the road.  And then there's a tiny design flaw whereby the ABS wiring brackets on the wheel assemblies are attached by rivets that reliably and semi-regularly rust and breaks off.  Otherwise, no complaints!  I love my little Saturn.

 

Your assessment of the C4 Corvette is similar to my assessment of the C3.  I understood there were a lot of handling improvements with the C4, but maybe they weren't that significant.  I had already known about the squeak and rattle issue, due to the way the car is framed (essentially a big convertible).  I do question how well a car can handle with a big chunk of iron under the hood.  In all fairness, I did have the same concern (big, heavy motor) loooooong ago about the 280Z.  I was driving an RX-7 at the time.  But the 280's motor was love at first sight.  I can't explain it.  I did feel I gave up a little bit on handling, but it was so much better a car than the Mazda.  And then decades later I had the same quality concerns about the Miata and have been pleasantly surprised.  So I've learned to examine each car on its individual merits.

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The 1990's were the Jurgen Shrempp years for Mercedes.  He almost destroyed the company with the W140, the horrid ML350, and the Chrysler merger.  As part of his reign he dictated the Mercedes vehicles will be 100% recyclable despite the misgivings of the engineering staff.  The W140 chassis was the first with the biodegradable wiring and you can buy any of those S class cars for less the $5k including the 6L V12 version.

 

Shrempp was listed as one of the 15 worst CEOs of all time by the WSJ.

 

BTW...  I owned a C4 Corvette.  Avoid it unless you are planning on racing or autocorssing the car.  They are a great bang for the buck for that purpose, but a C5 is light years better as a street car.

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Thanks, Captain!  (Don't feel bad.  That's why I asked the question! ;) )

 

Just remember that I'm no automotive expert. I'm just a guy with an opinion, and we all have one of those.  ;)

 

And funny what John said about the C5 being light years ahead of the C4 as a street car... I was going to say the same thing about the C4 when compared to the C3!

 

280ZX

300ZX (Z31 or Z32)

Mercedes

Porsche

Corvette C4

Del Sol

Fiero

 

What else...?

 

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I have been keeping a space open for the possibly of finding a decent condition MK 1 or even MK 2 Supra.

The Toyota JZ engines are built well and put out a pretty good amount of power. It might be another wild goose chase scenario. The things were thrashed pretty hard just like the Z's typically were.

I have the rust spots in the lower part of the windshield area in my '80 ZX. A temporary solution was to caulk it to prevent water intrusion, but it needs to be replaced.

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