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George,

The mans got talent. Awsome work you are doing on the project. Bodywork is not my thing, but I repect you guys for having the dedication and skill to tackle these low vin restorations.

Looking forward to seeing more.

Chas

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So, regardless of what I am about to ask, this is an amazing project that will be fun to watch. Thank you for posting.

 

Did the early cars have an engraving of the serial number on the engine side of the firewall (my 72 does)? If I am understanding correctly, there is a donor chassis that is replacing the cowl/firewall / roof frame / rocker frame, etc. Doesn't the donor chassis replace the engraved serial number? Do you think that anyone will question whether the resulting car is #19?

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So, regardless of what I am about to ask, this is an amazing project that will be fun to watch. Thank you for posting.

 

Did the early cars have an engraving of the serial number on the engine side of the firewall (my 72 does)? If I am understanding correctly, there is a donor chassis that is replacing the cowl/firewall / roof frame / rocker frame, etc. Doesn't the donor chassis replace the engraved serial number? Do you think that anyone will question whether the resulting car is #19?

 

Going in to this project I faced the dilema you mentioned. I had two choices. Get hung up on it or get on with it.

 

 

I could have easily cut 2 inches on either side of the VIN and stuck it in another shell but that would never have felt like #19 to me. This car that I'm sweating on does feel like #19 - we're saving as much of it as possible and that's all that can be done. The alternative is to scrap it and I know no one wants that. ;)

 

 

A friend told me about grandfather's axe before I began restoring this car.

 

A grandfather bought an axe as a young lad and worked it pretty hard througout his life. One day the handle split and he had to replace it. Soon that handle got chipped and dinged and aged with the axe head. The grandfather passed on the axe to his son who left it in the shed for so long it rusted and pitted beyond repair. When the grandson inherited the axe he got nostalgic and decided to fix it so he bought a new axe head and started to use his grandfather's axe. One day he will pass on his grandfather's axe to his son...

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I can't help but smile reading this thread, in a good way, I think what you're going to do with this Z is amazing, keep up the good work and keep us posted, I was in Sydney in Feb this year, Colorory, Dee Why, Manly etc and thought it would suit a Z around there but didn't see one, not surprising really! Keep up the great work

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I showed these pics to my family and they were blow away with the amount of rust. I am glad the car is being saved and if it were mine I would make sure all the VIN's were on the finished car in the correct locations. Since there is no intent to defraud and I assume you have a title for #19 there should be no problem with that. Even if I had to stitch some metal in to make that happen. Also in most states the VIN on the chassis is the one that matters most all of the attached tags are secondary...

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Money and time aside it takes real heart, vision, skill, and passion to bring a car like that back to life.  As others have said, we all applaud you for taking on this massive project of saving #19.  You are doing great work Ozzy Man.  I love this thread and check in with it almost every day now to see if there is something new.  We look forward to more updates!

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George you mentioned here:

http://goce.miskovski.com/blog/2014/01/hs30-00019/

 

That you passed up on #63 and #86 - as they were in better condition. But better condition doesn't mean much compared to #19. How would you rate those cars compared with #19? Admittedly #19 is pretty far gone compared to most S30z's I've seen for sale, but it's also the 3rd oldest HS30 prefixed car I know of after HS30 0004 and HS30 00016.

 

 

It can be worth the money when you find a buyer in Japan.

 

 

I tend to agree, although I don't think it will necessarily have to be a Japanese collector. I think S30z's have worldwide appeal and a car like this may just offer a return on investment yet!

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George you mentioned here:

http://goce.miskovski.com/blog/2014/01/hs30-00019/

 

That you passed up on #63 and #86 - as they were in better condition. But better condition doesn't mean much compared to #19. How would you rate those cars compared with #19? Admittedly #19 is pretty far gone compared to most S30z's I've seen for sale, but it's also the 3rd oldest HS30 prefixed car I know of after HS30 0004 and HS30 00016.

 

 

 

I tend to agree, although I don't think it will necessarily have to be a Japanese collector. I think S30z's have worldwide appeal and a car like this may just offer a return on investment yet!

 

 

Gav,

 

Both had been neglected for some years and both required a 'nuts and bolt' restoration which I believe they are receiving now. Well, I know one of them is being looked after. They were undoubtedly in better shape than what I ended up with and had more savable parts as well.

 

At the time I wasn't willing to do a full restoration and wanted something ready (or near enough) to drive. They also wanted way more than what I thought they were worth but in retrospect they were priced reasonably.

 

By the time 19 came up I had been in the market for some months and saw the values escalate rapidly. I also came around to the long term view with this purchase, something which has always eluded me. Must be getting old...

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So what does remain of 00019... ?

 

Most of the car is still there. There's a surprising amount of metal left considering the damage done to it by the elements. All the guts are present and usable. The glass I should be able to save. Interior was shot. The paintwork I couldn't save...

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Just read through these threads again recently. Hope you don't mind the dumping of this info in your thread, but figure it's useful.

 

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php?topic=16036.0

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,13263.0.html

 

Be-Zed (Aubes) mentioned car #12 being in Brisbane.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,13263.msg142934.html#msg142934

 

#63 ended up in Perth and was a Melbourne Auto Show display car back in the day. (white w/blue interior)

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,16040.msg169702.html#msg169702

 

Dale owned #36 back in 97.

 

#39 is at Ledge's shop in South Australia.

https://www.facebook.com/CustomAndClassicCars/photos/pb.517478251606641.-2207520000.1438400186./836914396329690/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/CustomAndClassicCars/photos/pb.517478251606641.-2207520000.1438400194./807416605946136/?type=3&theater

 

WA Z Register.

http://www.wazregister.com/index.php?title=View_ANZIS30_Register_Cars

 

So let's see.

 

HS30 00004 (Melbourne collector, last I heard... not sure still in AU :( ).

HS30 00012 (Brisbane)

HS30 00016 (RB26 with flares non-original car)

HS30 00019 (Your car)

HS30 00030 (Tasmania - WA Z Register)

HS30 00036 (not confirmed still exists) - Have to ask Dale.

HS30 00039 (Ledge's shop)

HS30 00044 (NSW WA Z Register)

HS30 00051 (NSW WA Z Register)

HS30 00063 (Perth with collector/enthusiast)

HS30 00084 - Great unrestored condition. (link here).

HS30 00117 (WA - WA Z Register)

HS30 00121 (VIC) - Dimitri (confirmed I've seen his car many times)

HS30 00131 (ACT - WA Z Register)

HS30 00145 (NSW - WA Z Register)

HS30 00149 (Lurch) - Confirmed seen this car before...

HS30 00150 (ME) - Confirmed :)

HS30 00151 (Shannon's auctions a few years back, confirmed)

HS30 00157 (QLD - WA Z Register)

HS30 00165 (Was on CarSales not long ago link here, was butchered, now being turned into a Ferrari GTO replica) - Spoke to new owner.

HS30 00181 (SA - WA Z Register)

HS30 00183 (QLD - WA Z Register)

 

So we know about 11 cars in total under HS30 00100. Considering some went to NZ, the UK, Australia, possibly ZA (South Africa). Who knows how many more there could be? Not many, and in what shape? Original? Modified for racing? Wrecked? Rusted? Bent?

 

Survival rate is looking like ~10% so far...for the very first cars in Australia maybe less?

 

Under HS30 00200 - we know of 22 cars (1 being turned into a GTO). So again this suggest a 10% survival rate and verification of certain cars is not easy and who knows if the details on WA Z Register are accurate or just details people have entered because they once owned that car. Not necessarily know if it still exists.

 

Between 200-300 there is 7 cars.

Between 300-400 there is 6 registered cars.

 

I'm sure I've seen a few more on eBay / Gumtree recently in the 300-400 range, all in very average sad state.

 

All this suggests less than 50 good cars (maybe 10-15 great examples max of original condition cars) in the HS30 00400 range and under. Wow!

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  • 1 year later...

Progress has been slow on my end as I've become a father to a very energetic and happy little boy. He brightens every day of my life and I haven't been able to bear to draw myself away from him and slave away in the garage while he's experiencing a lot of firsts.

Fortunately progress has been made with the body by a skilled team over 1,300km away.

 

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

George, Hat off to you and your team for the work you have done on this car. Really impressive workmanship.

Grats becoming a father. Oh and finding time for your hobbies is always going to be hard, if my experience is anything to go by.

Next question: footy or cricket? ;)

 

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