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Z cars at the Concours

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    Hi Rich:

    Congratulations!! You rightfully have to be very happy with that showing. We are all proud of you!! Thanks for posting the pictures - there are some wonderful cars there and The Z Belongs in such company!!

    I think that most of the larger and better known Concours Events - have the experience to assure that our Wives are happy to be there. Great that you could enjoy the event and time together.

    Oh.. yes.... 2 show quality "D" hubcaps for $160.00 - you should count him as a sponsor. ;-)

    So what's next everyone?

    Carl B.

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    Valentines day. Auckland 2010. Seduction !!!

    Hi olzed:

    Great looking Z - please tell us more about the Event {who, what, when and where}, the staging of the car and the car itself.

    thanks,

    Carl B.

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    So what's next everyone?

    Carl B.

    If anyone on this forum and thread will be in Cincinnati Ohio on Sunday, June 10th, I will have my Z at the Ault Park Concours. It is a great show for both vehicle owners and the attending public. They have several great supporting events. Stop by and say hello.

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    Hi Carl. Thanks. My wife and I love our wee Z .We have owned it for 12 years now. It had a bare metal refurb back then.

    We have won many Club trophies over the last 11 years. Best in show nine years.

    We are the fourth owner. First owner was a prominent business couple in Auckland. ( from new these were expensive cars in NZ)

    The chap I bought it from raced speedway bikes back in the 60s.

    I like knowing something of the cars history.

    It clicked back to zero miles when we first bought it and drove it home. We have since clocked up a further 20,000 mls.

    There are only a small hand full of S30s in NZ. Few 240Zs

    The pictures are from an annual Intermarque Concours held at Ellerslie Racecourse, which is in Auckland, our biggest city.

    They have a category for those not competing in the concours proper, and these are themed displays.

    The theme for 2010 was Valentines Day. We chose the seduction scene, because the massacre scene was the wrong era for our 70s Z Club cars.LOL

    We had my red 72 in the black marquee, with a black background, and rose petals spread over the whole area, where we had six or so other Club cars as well.

    Her lingerie was spread throughout the car, as was his shirt.

    I was giving free kisses. Hersheys!!! Got a couple of real ones as well.

    People seemed to enjoy our display, and we had a lot of positive comments.

    The Z movement is alive and well here in NZ

    Sorry I have no pictures of the concours cars, but there are very many exotic cars contesting the prizes.

    Another picture

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    Another show

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    Ready for another show

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    The Z Club recently had a small group winery tour and lunch with a Zed couple from US. Excellent day.

    Brian.

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    Congrats Rich! Well deserved. May have to get another one someday. Always looking!

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    Hi Carl. Thanks. My wife and I love our wee Z .We have owned it for 12 years now. It had a bare metal refurb back then.

    We have won many Club trophies over the last 11 years. Best in show nine years.

    We are the fourth owner. First owner was a prominent business couple in Auckland. ( from new these were expensive cars in NZ)

    The chap I bought it from raced speedway bikes back in the 60s.

    I like knowing something of the cars history.

    It clicked back to zero miles when we first bought it and drove it home. We have since clocked up a further 20,000 mls.

    There are only a small hand full of S30s in NZ. Few 240Zs

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    Hi Brian:

    Thanks for the very interesting story and great pictures. Speaking of Z Visitors - A fellow Z Car enthusiast from NZ, Steve Chong and his wife visited us here in Flordia a few years ago. They really wanted to see a Shuttle Launch, which was of course delayed - so they extended their vacation a bit. Nonetheless it was great seeing them... If you get to the US - be sure to stop by...

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    FWIW,

    Carl B.

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    Hey Carl. Small world . I know Steve well. Lives in Auckland, and a Z Club member as well.

    Yes we will certainly look you up when we get to the US. Thats them and a nice picture. Thanks.

    Brian.

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    Thanks Randy. I was fortunate that they had a Preservation Class at this event, otherwise it would have been difficult to even qualify or compete.

    There are not too many concours that have a Post War Preservation class. I noticed that the Dana Point has Pre-war preservation class, but no Post war. (I am assuming they don’t mean the Iraqi war or Vietnam) I would like to enter that one again as it was worth the entry fee last year just to sit on the fairway and overlook the ocean. There is little possibility of winning though as about 95% of the cars at a concours are restored cars. It’s tough to compete with the two stage paint and triple chrome plated restorations when you’re running 42 year single stage and thin chrome. Jay is probably the only one that I know of that would do well there. It wouldn’t hurt to have some roadsters at these events either. SoCalRoc has a number of nice cars that could do well. Either way, it would be nice to see a little more Japanese representation in the Post War, under 3 litre, category. Both Roadsters and Z’s would qualify; hey even Mazda’s or Toyotas would work.

    Anyway, thanks again,

    Rich

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    Congratulations Rich, your time and effort in the car deserve it. You are very lucky to find the wheel covers in time & a great price. I imagine he lived on Cheap St. in Barginville, right? :)

    In the Spring 2012 'Hagerty Magazine' page 11 has an brief on 'Youth Concours Judges.' In part...

    "Hagerty's Operation Ignite! Youth Judges have been busy, too. They recently walked the show fields at Boca Raton and Amelia Island concours, learning to judge classic cars while interacting with owners and experts. In May, (5th) the youth judges will attend the McPherson College CARS Club Car Show in McPherson, Kansas, with summer dates to follow."

    I will be attending for the 3rd time. It will be interesting to see how the Z does. This is a show with everything you could ever imagine. This year they are focusing on the concours restorations. It will be interesting to see what will show up, as in the past I have been astounded by what is hiding in shops & garages here in the middle of the Country.

    Bonzi Lon

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    Don't be ranting the judges must be blind because they are.

    This show is three miles down the road from me at end of 8 mile. At the FORD house.

    Here is a concours type event with z cars and other Japanese cars mingling with the aristocrats .

    EyesOn Design Auto Design Show

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    http://www.eyeson.org/index.php/eyeson/auto-show

    2006

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    2011

    http://blog.caranddriver.com/eyeson-design-charity-car-show-for-the-visually-impaired-need-not-be-seen-to-be-appreciated/

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    Award winner Shiro Nakamura

    Winner 2010

    Lifetime Design Achievement Award

    Honored Recipient: Shiro Nakamura, Vice President and Chief Creative Officer, Nissan Motor Co.

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    Thanks for the link. A''Z''in great company and heavy iron, it makes me dam proud in owning one ,not a show piece but a looker and a blast to drive :cool:

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    A comment was made earlier that concours judges do not understand the cars enough to judge them.

    I find the problems on the internet and at all z shows, that people truly do not know what is a stock Z.

    There is so much misinformation out there, I appreciate all of you gentlemen with such beautiful cars educating the rest of us.

    Fred

    ZCCA Head Stock Judge

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    You should look at the "unrestored" cars.

    I was looking at one (a 1917 electric car) once, and a stupid old lady said, "Look at that old floor, with those big cracks (between the wooden floorboards.) This car should be junked."

    Some people just don't understand what the different kinds of shows, or their entry categories, are about. They mostly think a "show car" is about the same as a "new car."

    I'll take a neatly-welded rat-rod or a clean model T over any new Corvette or shiny whatever any day. Even a rusted rat-rod; some people have made rusty cars a kind of art form.

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    Some people do have their misconceptions about Zs (see the "Weird Myths or Facts about your Z car" topic) and they essentially do some harm to the reputation of the marque. One guy tried to convince ME that the casting marks on my intake manifold were actually welds because "so many of these cracked after the were driven."

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    s Mr. And then there's people like Mr. George Barris.

    Remember the Car Warriors TV show where they customized 240Zs? Even after they outrageously customized both cars, Mr. Barris (a custom- and show-car "expert") says, "They're still Datsuns!"

    Regardless of how rediculous or out-of-style the two 240Zs were, that comment didn't show any respect for the most popular marque in sportscars.

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    A comment was made earlier that concours judges do not understand the cars enough to judge them.

    I find the problems on the internet and at all z shows, that people truly do not know what is a stock Z.

    There is so much misinformation out there, I appreciate all of you gentlemen with such beautiful cars educating the rest of us.

    Fred

    ZCCA Head Stock Judge

    Hi Fred:

    I've heard that comment before and in many cases it may be true.

    I'll add that there is a difference between "Concours" and "Stock" Events and Judging. As someone else mentioned a Concours is a Beauty Contest.

    I had the pleasure of taking to one of the people that is a Judge at both Pebble Beach and Amelia Island. He is also the owner of one of the Vintage Z's and a huge fan of Mr. K not the mention having a rather impressive private collection of Classic/Collectible and Special Interest cars himself.

    Judges not knowing what is pure "Stock" or "Original" to any specific car is not at all uncommon at the Best Concurs Events. In fact it is mostly the case. They leave the judging of "Stock" or "Original" to the marque clubs, or the Antique Car Clubs like AACA for the most part. No doubt that at least a couple of recognized experts exist somewhere in the world for almost every car made or mass produced - - but they are not usually available or attending every Concours event.

    The Judges at the Concours Events - ask the owners about their cars - and for the most part the owners are honest in their responses. It is more the preparation and presentation of the car, plus it's inherent beauty that counts on that day, with those Judges at a Concours Event.

    On the other hand - it's people like you that have to judge what is "Stock" or "Original" on any specific Z at National Level Z Car Events, or The guys at the National Level Corvette Shows etc.. It's the Judges at the Antique Automobile Club of America that focus on historically correct examples.

    Take Dan's Banks car - already Judged by the ZCCA and the AACA - to a Concours event - and the Judges at that Concours Event would take the ZCCA's & AACA's word for it being "Stock" or "Original" - then on top of that they would look at preparation and presentation as well as the inherent beauty of the design.

    So - bottom line - Keep up the good work - down the road many others will depend on your judgment. I do agree that it would be nice if not helpful to have the Z equivalent to the Corvette Back Book. Maybe when you retire again - you can work on that.

    FWIW,

    Carl B.

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    Saturday was a beautiful sunny day for a car show in McPherson, KS. Not too many imports, however a nice Ferrari, 2 Porsche's away, had plenty of attention. One of the admirers was Wayne Carini, see photo. He went all over it with the owner and onlookers. It was a western KS barn find.

    He was walking down the sidewalk talking to another when his eye caught my car, stopped in his tracks and said, "Wow!" He walked over, introduced himself and started with the compliments. We talked Z car, Z history, my car, for at least 5 minutes. He was genuinly interested in the car and its history.

    The finest compliment I got from him was, "You even have the original wheel covers! Wonderful! Thats nice."

    Bonzi Lon

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    Very cool that you got to chat with Wayne Carini. I think that is the cool thing about the Concours events; you get to meet some very interesting people. Last year at the Dana Point Concours, I was able to meet Barry Meguiar, CEO of Meguiar's car wax. We really had a nice conversation about the Z car as he had a '72 when he was younger.

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    Hi Brian:

    Thanks for the very interesting story and great pictures. Speaking of Z Visitors - A fellow Z Car enthusiast from NZ, Steve Chong and his wife visited us here in Flordia a few years ago. They really wanted to see a Shuttle Launch, which was of course delayed - so they extended their vacation a bit. Nonetheless it was great seeing them... If you get to the US - be sure to stop by...

    Uslaunch2.jpg

    FWIW,

    Carl B.

    I worked that launch! :)

    I miss my shuttles.

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    I worked that launch! :)

    I miss my shuttles.

    Me too - I worked on the Space Shuttle program and I miss them. Of course they flew about three times as long as originally intended. We supplied the Main Engine Controllers and Flight Control Systems for the Shuttles. Did you work Space Station as well?

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    Aaaahh, it's now the Z at the Concours and Aerospace thread :).

    Couldn't help but respond as my first job out of college (almost 30 years ago) was designing a Centaur second stage to fit in the Shuttle Bay. Needless to say program was canceled after the Challenger accident. After that worked US space programs for 12 more years and then 3 years with the Russian space programs. Traveled to Florida often enough to be considered a local.

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