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Time to talk dollars.

Many of you have thousands into your cars. What budget changes would you make if you had it to do all over again?

What changes would you have made? What would you have avoided, and where would you have spent more or less?

As I'm sure you have all figured out, it's time for me to present a budget outline to my accountant (wife). Who actually is my accountant.

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So far I would have spent more and had my whole car acid dipped rather then spending 5 months with sanding disks.

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I just spent $6000 in 6 months to turn a clean--but boring--77 into a clean-running, easy-driving, comfortable but aggressive cruisemobile for road tripping and autoX that my originally gung-ho wife now finds excuses not to ride in.

My next Z will be a pre-74 240 and will be MUCH more aggressive but much lower-budget. Everything on it will be begged, borrowed, bartered or stolen. It will not have lush interiors or operating lights and guages. It will have undercoating for carpet. It will not have a change compartment in the console. If you choose to ride along on the milk crate on the passenger side, I will provide you with a roll-bar to hang on to instead of a door pull. The wheels will be gun-metal grey spray painted 15" whatevers instead of polished alloy. Lowering springs? CUT springs, baby. The headers will be a rusty, dented set I get free on-line. I will re-model a bathroom for the head work. Hood? What's a hood for? You know that color of dark, flat, splotchy, hand-applied charcoal paint that you see on '30's and '40's Ford bucket rods and roadsters? I'm learning to really like it.

Priorities have definitely changed....

steve(maybe it's for sale?)77

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SOund's like my car... It isn't pretty but it runs pretty good. Still alot to do, But buget dictates the rate of progress. My car got this way because of technical skill and buget limitations. I could fx the body, but not so well that anyone would want to steal it, or say wow what a beautiful car. It does not however have football size holes located every foot or so like it did when I got it ...

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Oh Steve you're killin' me...ROFL

My favorite part is "CUT springs, baby " and the milk crate thing...

Don't feel bad tho, I've begged borrowed and stolen everything on my Z and my wife still won't ride in it...

I think she's jealouz tho:love:

Have fun, life is short and so is a 240.

B.

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First thing never go to the same panel beater $3000 for a paint job with rust holes in different spotsROFL Never redo a 2+2 no one wants them in Australia. I have however robbed ever good part of my 2+2 to go in my 240Z. The interior put nice seats in, white faced gauges and if its possible put multi colour dash lights in, blue green red extra, wheels 3 piece if I can afford it.

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From what everyone here has posted so far, it seems as though you're either letting the car get between you and your spouse, or she feels jealous of it, or maybe she resents it or is scared of it.

My wife has been part of my "evaluating" team as well as "Ops Check" supervisor.

What does this mean?

It means that instead of complaining and bitching and moaning over how the car is a piece of sh!t unless I get this and that fixed / new / repaired, I bring her into the garage, have her look at the item(s) tell her what it would cost to fix, replace or have repaired and then deal with it accordingly. Then abide with what you've agreed to. If she says you probably ought to replace it, but could you hold on till xxxx so we have the money, then do so.

Too many times I've seen friends, and even myself, let a bit of youthful exuberance creep into our psyche and reinforce the "I want what I want and I want it now!" mindset that later gets us into deep doo-doo with the spouse.

When the item / part / repair is done or received, or installed I have Deb take a look at it and take a moment to share in my pride of having done it, and / or of getting it done so that we BOTH can share the ride. This is going to be our Cruise Mobile.

Also, if you are planning on building a Land Based Rocket, keep the fact to yourself. She doesn't need (or want) to know that you are planning on turning 3 second quarter miles. Speed, handling, acceleration etc for the most part are GUY things. Mention them to the average woman and she will recoil from fear / distaste. (Kind of like you when they start mentioning aromatherapy candles or the latest in skin care products.)

As far as what I would change / do different if doing this all over again? Probably I wouldn't hesitate in "only doing it this far", and just dive in, take it down to where it needs to go and fix it right.

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As always with these kind of things, figure a budget as close as you can and then at at least 30% in price and time (if not more). Be prepared for it to take longer than expected and cost more than expected this way it's not a stressfull experience as well!

Only real advice I can give so far is do your home work before you go fork out big bucks for parts and accessories. Make sure the company that sells them is giving you what you want...

Also, and most importantly, spend the extra time getting a shell that has no rust. This will take the most time/money to fix so if you can start without it and only need mechanicals then you should be set.

Good luck with the project!

Ross.

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Well, if I had to do it all again I would start by doing my home work, hold out for a rust free California or Arizona car that was in great shape and free of rust, spend about 3-4K on the initial purchase on an already reliable car and modify after that as needed. Wait, I've already done that. :classic: Oh, yea!!!!!!

When it comes to the wife, I usually tell her "hey, we're spending 400 dollars a month on your car so,... I'm going to spend the same on "maintaining" the Zed! (I usually get no argument).

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I really did give the wrong impression. My wife is an accountant. She has yet to dissuade me from any of my personal aspiration. Very supportive in all my endeavors, and useful as a partner in "projects" outside of her taste.

I was merely attempting to state, that it is time for "us" to review a budget outline together.

With all of your help, this will be mush easier for me to do.

Thank you all so much.

TS

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Honestly, the only thing that I would do differantly is not repair every Z car I obtain. Floors, frame rails, rockers and wheel arches are like everyday repairs to me now :classic:

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Well St.steven I am about to embark on the frame rail on a '73 that has that popular nasty spot below the battery on the spot where the frame and body com together....

Advice? It looks like quite the task, but it really needs to be done. I've heard the initial part is not too expensive but the labor can be...

Floor panels have been done, but I'm not exactly happy with the way that the previous guy did it / had it done....

Thanks for any advice....

Hope everyone had a safe and fun Labor day!!

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Zcarguy,

I'm not sure what your resources are, what you can do yourself and what you can afford...However frame rail, and floors are can be an easy task. Honestly. What scares most people is cutting out the rotted metal, seeing what;s left and the welding. Many people cannot weld so someone has to do it for them. That usually means big bucks to them. Not necessarily so. if you take the time to do most of the leg work, many shops will work with you on putting in the replacement kit parts. SOme may do it after hours, some may not warranty their work if it isn't their kit parts. Some may be great and ahve it done in a day if all the leg work is done.

If you have a garage, that really helps. Can you disassemble the car? Is this a daily driver? How much time do you have to complete the project. what is your budget? These are all questions I have to ask as they really play an important role.

Vehicle disasemebly is kind of vital. It;s very hard to detect all the problem areas located on the car while it is fully assembled and there is nothing worse than chasing the rot. SOmething I learned a long time ago with these cars. You fix one problem area of rust and another starts.

I am not kidding, every Z I have had has needed floors, battery tray and inner fender well patches. Only one needed frame rails. I got lucky with the 260. It was beginning to show signs, however I was pro-active and caught it.

I would much better able to give you a hand if you have some pictures. I can then target what you need to repair.

DO you have any available?

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I have to clarify that most of the cars I encounter here are cars that have been owned by people that fell in love with the car because of it's looks and performance however are not "car" people. That meaning they have zero clue how to fix them. They buy the car, drive it for a while and it develops a problem that they themselves cannot fix. They bring it to a mechanic that has no clue about Z cars, wrongly and expensively tries to find the solution by trial and error and the owners end up with a car that still will not run right and no-one can figure out why. I get this alot with 75-78 cars. Many cannot seem to correct a bad running car when it comes to the injection.

Needless to say the cars sit outside for years upon years until it;s time to finally get rid of it. by that time, I end up with it rather than see it go to the boneyard and sort it out myself.

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My first foray into Z cars was an early '71 that I bought in 1990 for $1400. The car ran great, and althought I thought I new how to look for rust, I did not. The car ended up with huge rust problems, and after a year I gave up on the car.

A year later I jumped back in with an early '74 260. I spent $2000 and the car was much more dependable than the previous 240 - sure, it was less fun to drive, but rarely left me stranded (whereas the 240 left me on the side of road many times). Unfortunately, someone decided that they wanted my car and stole it one night in NYC. I never saw it again.

I got away rom the Z's after that and bought and partially restored a '67 Firebird. I sold it after 5 years for about 1/3 of what I'd spent on it.

Drawing from my past experiences this past summer I bought another Z. This time it's a late '71. I was looking for a car with good body and engine for about $6000. I figured I'd buy a car that someone else had already spent the money on. Well, as it turns out you can;t always get what you want. I found a car with a good body, but it needed mechanical work. In the end I'll have spent about $7000, but I'm getting a car in hte condition I wanted.

What's most important? (1) a solid rust free body, (2) a complete car, so that you don't have to guess what it is you're looking for, (3) a good interior, and (4) an engine that does not blow blue smoke or leak oil.

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St.st:

Yes I will have pics by Friday, the USB cable for my digital camera suddenly walked away and I had to order another, it will be here hopefully Wed. then I will be able to DL all of the pics that I keep promising people...

I have access to a plasma cutter and I think that is half the battle right there, I am also friends with what I feel is one of the best welders / fitters in the whole damn state, (Mr. Strode, please take a bow...)

Once I get those up to date I'm sure you will be able to eyeball the area...

Thanks and I'll post 'em ASAP...

You have a great Wednesday sir...

B

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Hmmmmmmm !!! What I would do if I had to do it again. I would really check over the car better.

I bought mine from a friend and it was exactly

as stated.

I would make a list of the things I have to

have and the stuff I would like to have. I research everything a bit better before starting

anything. I finally have a master plan on the suspension stuff after I made a few mistakes.

I don't have a budget on my car , since I don't

have any money :) . I just sell a few Roadster

parts I have to pay for things I need on he Z.

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I'll only talk about my street car budget -- not the race car's...

I purchased a clean '71 for $750 here in St. Louis -- absolutely no rust -- it was sitting inside an auto repair shop for about four years after sitting outside for about four -- car was left there after a brutal divorce -- the husband wanted to spite his ex-wife so he gave the title to the owner of the shop.

Anyway, the interior is missing with the exception of the seats and dash. My budget has included just parts to get it on the road:

Clutch master and slave, brake master, caliper repair kit, rear wheel cylinders, all four brake hoses, clutch hose and Crane XR3000 EI with PS-91 coil. All the hoses, fuel lines, plugs, cap/rotor and wires were replaced by the auto shop before the big battle. So far I've spend about $400 on parts. Oh, plus I'm using a spare Holley Blue fuel pump -- normal cost about $90.

Eventually, I'll replace the seats and put an interior in it -- right now I just want to get it running.

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