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Hey Alan, Tried to send you a PM today, but it says you've exceeded your storage? Gary

My 1971 has a build date of 12/70 and has all the Series I features -- E31 Head, vertical defrost lines, square holes not punched out in steering wheel, console with ashtray/fuse cover in front of gear shift with cigar lighter, vents in the hatch, "winged" 240Z emblems on the pillars, pointy "t" in the Datsun on the hatch, plastic toolbox covers and no bins in the rear deck, early style dash, speedo starts at 20 mph, NISSAN 2400 valve cover, wierd seat tilt knobs. I guess that's it, no throttle control lever next to the choke lever, tho (too bad). Got lots of rust too, but that will get fixed one of these days.

Those are the Series II toolbox covers they came after the transition which took place some time in 1971 w/ some cars having a mixture of features from the Series I and Series II types appearing that year. This is what I understand anyway. So, the years for the plastic toolboxes on the floor behind the seats were in 1969, 1970 and some 1971.

I too bought a couple of crappy tool covers just for the hinges, but thankfully mine showed up. However, piano hinge painted black would be a fine replacement. I'm picky, but not that picky.

Here's some of the tool box covers. Can't see the hinges, but rzola can give you any info you need. Very trustworthy seller too. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7925379792&category=33640

I believe Webdawg1 is referring to this toolbox cover. It is for the Series I not the Series II like in deadflo's picture. Reproductions are often for sale on eBay, at least they were. The price wasn't bad altho shipping made them pretty pricey. Not sure these repros came with hinges, but assume they did. These toolboxes were on the floor behind the seats, not in the rear deck. I appologize in advance if these are someone's images, I promise I downloaded them for reference purposes only and hope it's all right to share this info. Sorry I don't have any pictures of the hinges themselves but they shouldn't be too hard to reproduce with other materials.

Bambi, Of course your right, if this was a story problem in high school I would have flunked. I just read "slide show" and thought of my screensaver at work and read right over desktop.

I have the floorpans from Charlie and the seat mounts from Bad Dog. Just been looking for someone local who knows his/her stuff when it comes to welding. Took a quick welding course, but am not anywhere near skilled enough to do the floors myself. But I think I could do most of the cutting with the school's plasma cutter.

A quick google search came up with this download to create a slide show screensaver in earlier windows versions. As with all downloads off the internet, use your own discretion about whether it's trustworthy or not. http://www.fourmilab.ch/slidescr/

I can't find it in Windows 98, but I believe you can set slideshow in XP by going to Start, Settings, Display, Screen Saver, Slide Show and choosing the file folder where you save your pictures.

Me Too, are there any indepth tech articles, or alternate sites where someone has done a step-by-step replacement with photos?

I too call my Z "Zena" after the Warrior Princess of TV fame. Must be something about Red 1971 240Zs I guess. Altho mine's a bit older than owenk's, a Series I built 12/70.

Under bid history it says PlumpRandy retracted his bid of $11.5K because he couldn't contact the seller. Not a bad explanation if you needed additional info. I assume he finally made contact and then decided to rebid, because you can't tell how much his current maximum bid is because of the automatic bid feature (that is, until someone outbids his max).

Far Out Man, I'd drive it when I felt guilty about how much of the Earth's oil us Yanks are sucking up. Or when the price of gas hits $3.00/gallon. However, $40K buys a lot of gas/petrol/benzina. I guess I'd have to start telling the local bistros to start pushing the french fries. The paint doesn't bother me as much as all the advertisements on the thing. I'd be the hit of the Barter Faire. The Faire is one of the grooviest things I get to cover each fall for my newspaper. http://okanoganfamilyfaire.com/

The famous Veggiecar is for sale on eBay. Something for the BioDiesel fans: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2490011598&category=6187

E-Racer Yes, I purposely titled it that way to get a laugh. Gramercyjam, I am still deciding what to put in my 1971 240Z Series I Car. It has an L24, but not the one it came with (altho I think I know where the original block is). I also have a L28 out of a 280Z and an entire 1983 280ZX Turbo (the whole car) except the turbo is gone because it was kaput I guess. Without delving too far into HybridZ territory, everyone says you can get the cheapest horsepower increases from the turbo, but the idea of an L28 out of a NA 280ZX with flattop pistons and the E31 and my early 4 bolt SU's sounds good as well. I've got them and I'd like to use them. I'm driving myself nuts trying to decide. Turbo sounds cool, but the swap and wiring it up to the old 71 sounds way beyond my skill level. And the old school SUs with the L28 sounds like a much easier swap. I'd like to trade the turbo car for a NA engine maybe, who knows?

I'd like your opinions on this E31 Head on eBay. The seller says it was recently taken off a 1970 240Z and has never been shaved. However, when I bought my E31 and posted pictures I was told since there wasn't much metal below the E31 stamping and the bottom of the head it looked like it had been shaved quite a bit -- this was confirmed for me when I took it in to have bigger valves put in. They said it had been shaved .60(?) and that it would need a special extra thick gasket to keep it from banging on the pistons and to lower compression somewhat (at least that's what I remember them saying. This head looks to be shaved at least as much as mine, what say you? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7922679087&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

I have no problem w/ people copying my images onto their hard drives for reference (why they'd want to I couldn't imagine, unless it was for not what to do or the "before" shot.) . People's images should not, however, be used elsewhere on the net or for commercial purposes without the owner's permission. I understand about people not wanting to have their creative property stolen. However, if you use the pictures for reference on how to fix up your Z or for a screensaver that should be okay (and flattering) IMHO. Sometimes you can't be hooked up to the internet, so having your reference pictures on your hard drive might be the only way you can refer to them. To each his own, if you don't want people to use your photos, maybe you shouldn't post them (I hope no one takes that to heart) or include a statement saying "Please ask for permission before using). I don't know, the whole debate seems to have caused some hurt feelings and I hope it can be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. I am grateful to all who have shared their images with the club over the years.

There is a 1971 240Z w/ full vinyl (fake leather) top on eBay. Car looks to be in pretty good shape, altho I don't think I could live w/ the top. It is at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2489903776&indexURL=8&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

Here's a site that will probably cause even more confusion! http://www.copyright.gov/ And that's only in the U.S., let alone the UK, Japan, Oz, Europe, etc. The web has opened up whole new worlds of sharing and debate.

I believe some statement about the copyright should be included with the galleries. Something like - The original creator/owner of the image retains all rights to the image, with submission to this site an agreement for use only on this site, no further transfer of rights is given or implied without written permission of the owner of the image. Lots of people will still want to share their photos/images, but may not want them "ripped off" for commercial use on clocks or in books, etc. If someone else wants to use the image for those purposes they should obtain written permission for the original owner of the image, not Classic Zcar Club. I'm no lawyer, but realize if you own the copyright to something it should be up to you how it is used. If someone wants to use your image in a book, for example, it would probably be flattering, but proper permission and credit for the photographer and/or image owner (may be one and the same) should be given IMHO. If a professional photographer was paid by the car owner for the image, then usually the person who paid for it owns the image. If a photographer took the photo for his/her own use and loaned it/sold it for a book or article it is up to them to ask for credit for the image if they like. In any case it is always best to give credit where credit is due - both to whoever captured the image and to the person who owns that photogenic Z. If people are present and can be identified in the photo then it raises other questions, but I tried to cover that in a previous post. Maybe we have a copyright lawyer somewhere in this group who can tell me if I'm on the right track.

All right, I'll try again, there is a US market 240Z on eBay right now with a full vinyl top, altho it is so peeled off that it's starting to look like the half-vinyl roof I posted before. This car is pretty ugly, whether with or without the vinyl/leather top. Looks like the top is a big rust promoter. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2489272974&category=10076

Enrique, I've yet to attend a specific Z event, and am looking forward to doing so when I can get the chance. I'm sure you're right about some events being closed to cameras and photo shooting (unless under specific limitations maybe). I'm so used to gaining access to things where people want me to take and publish their picture I never really thought about restrictions. However, if the event was held say, in a public park, or on a public street, then it would still be open to photo taking. Unless however they had permission to close the park entirely to the public. I tend to bow to people's wishes to not have their photo taken, unless I consider it of importance to our readers (it's hard to cut someone out of a crowded public scene, though). I remember a bus load of Canadian Air Cadets drove into the ditch along Highway 97 once, just a couple thousand feet from the U.S./Canada border crossing on their way home from some event (I live just 4 miles south of BC). I took a picture of them all standing by the wrecked bus. Some adult told me I had no right to do so, so I had to give her a quick lesson in freedom of the press in the U.S. She wasn't too happy, but that was her right and I had my right to take the photo. She was probably more embarrassed than worried about the cadets. How are things in Vancouver, WA? Sunny Sept. Sunday and in the 80's here today. Gary

EScanlon "At this point, you have violated the agreement by which you took the pictures. Posting on YOUR home computer is fine, posting on the INTERNET is considered a PUBLIC display. That is no longer a personal use / enjoyment case. Now, you've disseminated the photograph. Unless they are pictures of items / people for which you have ascertained and received permission to post in a public forum (called a photo release), you cannot post them." As a newspaper editor/journalist/photojournalist, I know that photos taken of people or items in public for use in the free press of the U.S. do not require any kind of photo release. This doesn't matter if it is in a newspaper, on television or the internet. In the public you have no right to your own image or that of your car or other possessions, even if you are a child. Anyone can take your picture and anyone can publish it (as long as it is not for profit, say advertising). There are some gray areas and you are not allowed to hold someone up to ridicule by altering the picture to make the situation unflattering, etc. However, if you chose to go running (or driving) down the public street naked (starkers) I have the right to take the photo and publish it. In general in newspapers, the copyright begins when the article, drawing, photo, etc. has been published. I have had articles I have written lifted verbatum and have had a few of my photos taken as well. I usually find this flattering if I am credited, but if not litigation may be in order. If you are working for someone, i.e. a newspaper, the copyright generally belongs to the newspaper, unless otherwise specified. Of course, the internet has opened a whole new frontier in copyright law. Usually the internet, in this country, is considered the same as say a newspaper or book. If I want to insure my copyright is enforceable, I save the first published incidence as well as stamping (or writing) copyright C (encircled) w/ my name and the date. Do this and you have just copyrighted your image (you could do the same on the pictures you submit here). Something like suggested by Bambi, but it wouldn't have to cover the image. In the U.S. The wonderful thing about freedom of speech in the U.S., at least, is you do not have to be a professional journalist to take advantage of these same laws. Anyone can take anybody's photo as long as they are in public, at a Z show you would need to have it posted that no photos could be taken and/or if they are not used anywhere else. That would put a real damper on half the fun of the show I'd think and cause a lot of confusion to boot.

Here is a great site that tells you how to get both retractable lap and shoulder belts for the earliest Zs, by using parts from 260/280Z and a 2+2 no less. http://www.automedic.org/smzcc/tech_tips.htm This is the way I'm going to outfit my 1971 (12/70 build date). It took me just a few minutes in a small wrecking yard to put together the right pieces, now I just need to figure out the best way to rejoin the two halves. The nut & bolt idea seems a bit bulky, anyone have a better idea? Some sort of new rivit with the proper strength? I hope this helps, Gary