26th-Z

:lick: Ya'll crack me up. All I did was call the seller and talk to him about the car. The next step is to find out how much it is going to cost me to get it here. You have to figure shipping as part of the sale price. I still stand by what I said earlier. The car needs a lot of help. I have spares of most of the parts it needs; the car needs me more than I need the car! Somebody talk to me about hauling for cheap!!!! I quickly phoned 3 quotes this afternoon for around $800. Gotta do better than that. I don't need an enclosed trailer, but the thing is DEAD - called "Inoperable" - and they don't like that. I was really hoping it would not be much over $500. I might be able to go get it myself for that if it were not the time. So, if I get 27, a lot of little tumblers need to fall in place, like, "I have most of the major parts missing". We'll see. I have a budget in mind and a few days. It would be cool.

I'm thinking about it...4 days left to make up my mind. How did I know you would jump at this thread, Vicky? So far, its $800 Dover, Delaware to Sarasota. Can I do any better? The car is non-operable.

Does anyone have advice for having a car hauled? Who do you use? How can it be done most economically? I'm thinking of having a non operating car hauled down the east coast to Florida.

Chloe is MidwestZ to the best of my knowledge, Greg. She used to work for the Nissan dealership and went out on her own. She stores parts in garage space she rents or owns - I don't know - and worked out of her house. It's a low-key operation and Chloe hustled for every bit of the appreciation she is getting in this thread. I have money tied up also, if that helps!!! Something quite serious must have happened. It just doesn't make sense and not letting anyone know what's happening doesn't make sense either. I can't imagine, but it has to be something incapacitating and without the ability to give anyone instructions for settling issues. A lot of us know her well enough for her to phone or e-mail an explanation, yet no one has heard anything! Its really perplexing. I'm just going to wait it out and hope she brings her talents for part searching back to the 240Z stage.

One of those panels just went on eBay for $115!!!! Carl Beck wrote this morning - egging me on. I wrote the seller - let's see what happens.

Hey Andrew! I don't really need a donor car, however, it would be cool. I'll post pictures, if I get them. I might change my mind this week. We'll see

I just "ask seller a question" for more pictures. Let's see what happens.

Yes, just sand the surface rust off. You may want to prep with a phosphoric acid solution used to prep surface bare metal like OSPHO. Home Depot sells it as a paint prep for metal. Spray it on, let it sit for a moment, and wipe it off.

Way to go "luismiguel35" whoever you are! The seller posted answers to some questions and evidently took more pictures. The build date is 10/69 - much better. All matching numbers, original parts galore. How exciting!

Vicky, I have been looking at #95 also. To me, these cars are resources - not assets. The part about buying it sight unseen that scares me is what parts does it have that are still worth something. I met a friend of Alan's at the national convention who spent the better part of twelve years restoring his car and you should see the sheet metal work he did. Amazing. There is no doubt in any car collector's mind that the first 100 cars are valuable and collector items. I encourage anyone to buy it and restore it. I think it would be worth it. In terms of my funds - at the moment, I'm grasping! Geez, I thought going to the convention was part of the treats you get for all the hard work and money you spent on your car. Nobody told me I was going to have to PAY for it, too!!! :laugh: :laugh: Oh....I'll bet $1000

:eek: The trouble with finding such a relative is discovering what happened to her – and disappointed I am!! Looks like my twin sister has been dancing in topless bars and snorting crack!! And with all that rust, we could easily say she has been driven hard and put to bed wet!! Some interesting things to mention about her, though. According to the add: She was 907 green with a butterscotch interior – like 26 – meaning they made two identical cars in a row? The rear hatch glass is clear – like 26 – no demisters on the very early cars. She is date stamped 9 / 69 (quite early) and 26 is date stamped 11 / 69 which might lend credence to Alan’s assertion that the date stamps were applied on the docks. OR HLS30-00026 was pulled out of line for misbehavior and completed later. (She has a relatively high engine number – 2338). And my comments on the value of restoring a car like this. I have been watching prices of unique examples soar during the last year or so. We have seen and discussed several cars in the $25 - $30,000 range. I know what several of you out there have in your cars and what you would expect to get IF you would ever sell it. If number 27 has a matching engine, the opportunity exists to realize every dime put into a restoration. I would estimate this example to cost at least $40,000 to restore. By the time you finish, the car could well be worth it.

Just curious. And I'll go looking in the archives...how well do power lock kits work and what's the favorite?

Please say hello to all my friends up in New York. I met several guys from the area at the national convention last April. Greetings to Jeff Fox, Bad Dog, and take lots of pictures!

My car is your way, Vicky. The only way to lock the car from the outside is with the key. It's the way the lock mechanism works - I think. I always thought it was one of those "no frills" Datsun locks. Works fine - nothing elaborate. :bandit:

One went on eBay last night for $114

I sure would appreciate any info about Chloe. I used to talk with her almost every day. She just dropped off the face of the earth. No answer on any of the phone numbers I have including cell. The last e-mail I had from her was just before the National Convention - mid June. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Mark, Your pictures are just fantastic. Do you mind if I use them for my upcoming comedy routine? Actually, that car would make a real great candidate for the "Gross-out Pig Award"! Great find. :lick:

Door ding strips were not a factory part on the S30.

This is my favorite. http://www.hlj.com/

This is too wierd. I'm looking at a rust bucket in Middleburg, VA. I wonder who belongs to the car. I don't recognize the name. Ben, that was Burt trying to bullshit kats. Yes, it's the silver $30,000 eBay deal, but Burt withdrew the car before it sold. I'll own up to friendship with Burt, but please don't blame me for what he says or does. The guy is completely out of control!!!!!

Yea. Take it down to a radiator shop and have them re-core it.

Good morning everyone! The passing planets in my sun sign coupled with the full moon has me in "electronic karma syndrome" or something. The A/C packed it up at the house two days ago and the CPU in my computer gave up last night! We sm 2 b w..k.ng Ok nw. I had the pleasure of spending a few hours with Matsuo san during the convention. At the car show, Saturday, I was introduced to Mr. Katayama's son and Mr. Takaharu Kobayakawa (Mazda RX-7) by Brian Long. Matsuo san made some comments during the introduction causing some smiles and Brian said Matsuo's comment was something about how particular I am. I suspect we wonder what they think about us as much as they wonder what we think about them. I know the Germans wonder what we think about them. We all recognize the differences in our cultures and I am quite aware of what other societies around the world think of Americans. Frankly, we Americans could clean up our act a little bit. I want to talk about the judging thing. I have some news. I was involved in the judging as well, not as a judge because I missed the meeting Ben refers to as I was out junking and visiting Pierre Z. Trapped in a SUV with Burt (cardogman) and our "Tampa" crowd. Over on IZCC, there is a discussion going on entitled "Concours d'elegance" about judging. Since the last e-mail I sent you, Alan. Carl Beck responded to a Ken Jones thread and Charlie Osborne, Bob Speights, Jeff Fox, Fred Jones, and Jack Saxton jumped in. We have formed a small focus group and Dan Banks has expressed interest. Although I am defending the current ZCCA rules for judged car shows, there is a move afoot to establish "concours" criteria. I think that is what you were hearing, Ben. The split that is happening between "purists" and "general appearance" groups. What the "purists" are saying is that they desire to see Datsun 240 Zs competing at the top ten Concours d'elegance events in America. They agree that the 240 Z is a "modern classic" and that the early cars could be and should be displayed and promoted in such a manner. To that end, they wish to establish and publish "as it left the factory" standards for judging in esteemed events. The premise is that the standards need to be developed so that invitations will be extended from the prestigious shows. A web site is being built and it looks like this train is leaving the station - it isn't going to stop. I used the description "Datsun 240 Z" on purpose because the group is focused on that particular model. American cars at American events. They seem to have no desire to include the Fairlady models. Rather than stand aside and criticize, I am participating with the idea that one vote is better than no vote. I would be honored to contribute comments any one of you have. I am also honored to be able to use this site as a considerable resource of accurate information. I seriously consider knowledge of the domestic cars essential for understanding the Datsun 240 Z. In that respect, I have the opportunity to enlighten American enthusiasts to the value of the domestic cars and cars exported to other parts of the world. After all, it's a world car. Ben, the information about the prototype development and Mr. Matsuo's role is available and you just have to go looking for it. Brian Long's book; "Datsun Z - Fairlady to 280 Z" is , in my opinion, basic reading and the best of all the books. Brian Long published another book with Matsuo and Katayama; "Fairlady Z" which I am in the process of obtaining. I have no pictures I think I can copywrite post on the web, but I'll bet if you search this site, someone has put up jpgs. Finally, some observations. I used to race in SCCA years ago and got used to the harsh reality of the rules. Judged car shows are pretty much the same way. IMHO it's all a game we play and it's supposedto be fun. That thought seems to keep me on an even keel.

Help!!! I'm trapped beneath a dead horse!!! I thought this would be appropriate. From "Fairlady Z" translation by Brian and Miho Long; "Consequently, when Mr. Katayama came back from America and visited my department, the words he said made me determined to follow my dream. He stated that we could go on making cheap economy cars forever, but by doing so, we would never be able to move forward in export markets. Nissan, and Japan as a whole, needed something stunning, something original that would make foreign manufacturers sit up and take notice of us". In the goddie bag from the National Convention was a book, "Turn Around - How Carlos Ghosn Rescued Nissan", David Magee. It contains some good reading about the Nissan corporate management technique. There comes to mind a clearer understanding of the period during Matsuo's tenure. How the design of the S30 may have been influenced by corporate politics and management techniques. You see all sorts of correlations when comparing the story of the Z. So lets get this conversation really rolling and argue whether the Z was supposed to be a convertable and how AMERICAN laws turned the project in a GT direction. My friend, Jim, asked Matsuo why he didn't build a convertable and Matsuo exclaimed; "I tried to"!!!

I have never seen anything like this before. Why would a cover be placed over the light?