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HLS3056539 1972 240Z {build date 11/71}

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1 hour ago, Pilgrim said:

Very nice, and now it has actually gained considerable value!!

Thanks Pilgrim.

 

And yes, it is interesting how these cars have appreciated in value. I named this car, my race car, and another 240 I have, as well as my 1972 Camaro and 1948 Ford 8N when applying for a mortgage 16 years ago, and again 14 years ago when I applied for a construction loan to build my house. I believe at the time I placed a value of around $14,000 for the Z's and the Camaro, and $8,000 for the tractor.

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So one of the engine options I have.

50288548328_9b790f236d_b.jpgL28 With SU Carbs And 5 Speed by Racer, on Flickr

50289249851_7a16063e61_b.jpgL28 With SU Carbs And 5 Speed by Racer, on Flickr

50289349157_321be25ab3_b.jpgL28 With SU Carbs And 5 Speed by Racer, on Flickr

 

It is an L28, N47 head, and (I was told but don't know for sure) a Datsun Comp 5 speed. A guy gave it to me, and said it had been in a 240Z. Supposedly it has an aftermarket cam, and whatever else was done to hop it up, but without opening it up I have no idea. He also claimed the transmission was some special Datsun Comp unit, again, I cannot establish that to be true or not. I haven't seen any examples in any of the online resources for Datsun transmissions of the era. It did come with a custom built driveshaft to mate it with a Datsun differential, in a Z, and it is a 5 speed gearbox.

I'm going to rework the cart it is sitting on, and hook up a radiator and exhaust, and see if I can get it fired up to asses its condition.  If it is usable I'll likely drop it in the brown Z until I can budget the time to rebuild the original L24.

 

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It looks like the FS5C71A transmission, which I think the euro market used those transmissions in the 240Z as well (possibly different gearing...? Don’t know a lot about them). It may have also come from a Datsun 2000 roadster...

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48 minutes ago, zeeboost said:

It looks like the FS5C71A transmission, which I think the euro market used those transmissions in the 240Z as well (possibly different gearing...? Don’t know a lot about them). It may have also come from a Datsun 2000 roadster...

It has the same shifting mechanism of every 240 four speed and 280 five speed I have, but it is the only transmission I have with a companion flange, rather than an open spline.

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Hah, you’re right. I just looked at the companion flange and guess for some reason my brain auto-filled a monkey motion shifter. Can’t say I’ve come across that style yet, but I’m sure someone else on here has.

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1 hour ago, Racer X said:

It has the same shifting mechanism of every 240 four speed and 280 five speed I have, but it is the only transmission I have with a companion flange, rather than an open spline.

Its most likely the N3130 'Close-Ratio Overdrive' or N3030 'Wide-Ratio Overdrive' version of the FS5C71B transmission, with flanged output. It required a flanged propshaft. Sold by Datsun Competition in the USA, but not a 'competition' part per-se as they were factory stock equipment in other, non-USA, markets.   

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42 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

Pics of the underside or it didn't happen.

Soon.

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On 9/19/2020 at 11:08 PM, Racer X said:

I bought this car for Mrs. Racer 1.0 back in 1992 for $2,000. When we divorced she said she didn't want it, and demanded I pay her for it. I pointed out the car was bought with money out of my pocket, and the title was in my name, and I would not be giving here anything for the car, and that was that. I drove the car off and on until 1998, parking it because the oil consumption was excessive, and at the time I was trying to defend a championship in my race Z.

 

So the car sat in the back corner of the shop, collecting dust.

 

Fast forward to this past August. I'm at work, and my manager calls me, says I have to go home. Contact tracing had resulting in me being identified as being at risk to Covid19. Not wanting to waste a two week paid "vacation", I decided to clean up the shop a bit and see how the old Z was doing. I charged the battery overnight, and the car reluctantly came to life, 22 year old gas and all. 

 

Being all original, and numbers matching, I won't be making any changes that cannot be returned to the as new configuration. But in the interim I plan to replace the tired engine with one of the many others I have lying about, and rebuild the original as time and money allow.

And after sitting in the corner of the shop after 22 years, dust, dirt, overspray (I painted a tractor and even though I had a makeshift spray booth, overspray went everywhere) and spider poop.

50231389861_13364e51fa_b.jpg1972 Datsun 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

On The Z by Racer, on Flickr

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Now for some mechanical work. I am going to change the car over to a manual tranny. These cars should never have had automatics. 

 

I also have new carpet, weatherstripping, and interior plastic panels to change out.

Wow this came up so good after a bit of TLC! I was pleasantly surprised. 

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1 hour ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said:

Wow this came up so good after a bit of TLC! I was pleasantly surprised. 

Thanks Ryan!

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Been too busy to take pictures, but I've been working on the 72, sort of. Determining what I need to replace before driving it, then sourcing everything. Still need to decide on what hoses it needs (all of them), and work a weekend of overtime to pay for  that and a new set of tires. The seat foam is 48 years old and needs replaced, but I could drive the car some before spending time and money there.

Prettymuch got everything else.

I need to make a fixture to hold the engine and transmission, with a radiator and exhaust so the condition of the 'temporary' L28 with SU carbs and a 5 speed can be determined.

This week I harvested some parts from a 77 280Z I have. About 15 years ago I bought a set of Panasport wheels from my neighbor, and they came with this car. It ran, but the local "Z" shop had been working on it, and the short rubber hoses from the fuel pipe to the injectors leaked badly. I had offered to fix it for him, but his experience with that "Z" shop soured him to having the car, he just wanted it gone.

It has sat out behind the shop ever since I bought it and drove it there.

So far I have the clutch and brake pedals, and may use the tach too, as my 72 has a distributor from a 280, and my tach doesn't work now.

Next up, the alternator.

I also pulled the plastic trim panels, as they are in decent condition, and I may need them for one of the other 280Zs I have. The car has lots of other good stuff, but is a rustbucket. 

I will try and get some pictures up this weekend, including the pictures of the underside of the 72 for @Captain Obvious 

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Racer X said:

So far I have the clutch and brake pedals, and may use the tach too, as my 72 has a distributor from a 280, and my tach doesn't work now.

I followed this write up from @240260280 to install a ZX dizzy on my '72 and keep the tach working.

You might find something useful for the '77 dizzy to work the tach?

http://atlanticz.ca/zclub/techtips/distributor/index.html

Getting your early Z tach to work with the upgrade (Thanks to www.zhome.com)

72OrigIng.jpg

StockToZXIng.jpg

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21 hours ago, Racer X said:

I will try and get some pictures up this weekend, including the pictures of the underside of the 72 for @Captain Obvious 

LOL! I'm beginning to think you're just stalling.

You don't have to pretty it up first. We're not that kind of crowd.     LOL

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11 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

LOL! I'm beginning to think you're just stalling.

You don't have to pretty it up first. We're not that kind of crowd.     LOL

I know.

But I need to get the 77 stripped down and then move it back outside, and free up the lift.

 

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On 9/25/2020 at 6:15 PM, Captain Obvious said:

LOL! I'm beginning to think you're just stalling.

You don't have to pretty it up first. We're not that kind of crowd.     LOL

Here you go Captain. Not prettied up on bit.

50465769358_7dff0de9cb_h.jpgHLS30400870 by Racer, on Flickr

 

50465408748_81b0b4065f_h.jpgHLS30400870 by Racer, on Flickr

 

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OK, OK... So it did happen.    :beer:

Thanks for the pics. It looks like you're headed for the typical floor and frame rail work. How about the more complicated areas like the doglegs. They look OK?

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12 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

OK, OK... So it did happen.    :beer:

Thanks for the pics. It looks like you're headed for the typical floor and frame rail work. How about the more complicated areas like the doglegs. They look OK?

 

3 hours ago, grannyknot said:

Oooooow, that's some serious rust porn, are you thinking about supporting the car on a frame jig to make sure nothing shifts while doing the repairs?

Well I tried to play a bit of a joke on y'all, but there must not be too many people cruising the forum today. 

Anyway, I'm surprised neither of you was sharp eyed enough to notice the pictures aren't of a 240, but rather a 280, the 77 that came with a set of Panasport wheels I bought from the neighbor 18 years ago.

 

And yes, that is some serious rust porn. Rust porn that would make Ryan @240ZBUILTBYME think he doesn't have it so bad after all, eh?

 

So here, is my 72, down and dirty.

50464614733_8928b8e4e5_b.jpgHLS3056539 1972 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

50465342166_8be00fb614_b.jpgHLS3056539 1972 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

50464680363_5677c556c4_b.jpgHLS3056539 1972 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

50465400651_2be075542e_b.jpgHLS3056539 1972 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

50465428056_41ce704f4f_b.jpgHLS3056539 1972 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

They undercoated these cars quite aggressively at the dealers back then, and I think that is what has saved this car. It has very little rust, a bit around the battery tray and the firewall/frame rail/ floor pan and some evidence that the right frame rail will need replacing before too long. The doglegs, lower front fenders, and a small area on the left rocker panel have some bubbling forming. I'm not going to get real exited about repairing any of it at the moment, but rather focus on getting it running well and safe to drive.

I plan on driving it for a couple of years, and then address the rust with a full restoration, top to bottom.

 

 

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Now you see, I was going to say something like "Wow... The underside looks way worse than the topside." but I didn't want to potentially insult your (or your car). It looked disproportionately bad under there, but I bit my tongue and tried to keep it functional to hide my disappointment.

I won't make that mistake next time.....    ROFL

 

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6 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

Now you see, I was going to say something like "Wow... The underside looks way worse than the topside." but I didn't want to potentially insult your (or your car). It looked disproportionately bad under there, but I bit my tongue and tried to keep it functional to hide my disappointment.

I won't make that mistake next time.....    ROFL

 

How about some car porn?

50475627662_cc8c6015f1_b.jpgHLS3056539 1972 240Z by Racer, on Flickr

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20 minutes ago, Racer X said:

And yes, that is some serious rust porn. Rust porn that would make Ryan @240ZBUILTBYME think he doesn't have it so bad after all, eh?

Hahaha you had me going, that’s exactly what I thought when I saw the photos!

Ryan

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7 hours ago, Racer X said:

I'm surprised neither of you was sharp eyed enough to notice the pictures aren't of a 240, but rather a 280, the 77 that came with a set of Panasport wheels I bought from the neighbor 18 years ago.

We are such trusting souls here:rolleyes:

Well the 240 doesn't look too bad at all, very straight forward.👍

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