What car company is making the best cars?

[jeffhop]

I dont know why I suddenly thought of this but, what company do you all belive is making the best cars and why? (currently)

My vote is a tie between Subaru and Nissan. Subaru is making turbocharged cars with large hp and tq ratings (lately) and everysingle one of their cars are All Wheel Drive(). Their cars also have great fit and finish and have very few problems and just beg to be modified :classic: and driven hard:classic: . I also vote nissan because they have taken the skill of engine sharing to a whole new level. Almost all their cars include the same engine tuned to different levels and also have great fit and finish. They also are a BLAST to drive and keep up very well.

0.2

-Jeff

[bonniec75209]

I like volkwagens. There isn't another car manufacturer out there that comes as close to justifying the price tag as they do.

[2ManyZs]

If you are talking overall.. my money would be on BMW.

Fit, finish, styling, performance, comfort, and they hold their value better than most imports.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but if I had the money, I'd have an M3 or M5 as my daily driver. Luxury, style, and performance better than many so-called "true sports cars"......

[JEFF]

I see there is 4 @ 25% - the poll is not over is it?

-Jeff

[bonniec75209]

2MANY, I AM ABSOLUTLY ASTOUNDED!!!! WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU!?!?

[jeffhop]

I somewhat agree with 2manyZ's... if i had the money I would also be driving a M3 or M5. I mean I love Z's but those are true "drivers" cars. Luxury+ preformance+prestige= my dream car:love:

[2ManyZs]

Whatdayamean what's got into me? I've always loved the M3's and M5's and some of the older BMW's.. just can't afford one.

I know what you are thinking, but there isn't a new Nissan that can compare IMO.

Doesn't mean I don't still love my old Datsuns....

My perfect garage would be one old 240, one 300ZXTT, one Roadster and an M3 for a daily driver.. oh, and a Dodge Ram to drive in the winter....

[bonniec75209]

I agree with you on the new Zs, I have driven one and I do not care for them. However, if I had the money, I would buy every well maintained original (or close to it) 240 I could find. I don't care about prestige or any of that other stuff. I just care if it is fun to drive and I have never driven a "funner" car.

[beandip]

:classic: I agree with 2many on the bemers although for looks and styling the Jag roadster is really fine. But to have and to hold it's the beamer.

[thefastestz]

I think Cuong Nguyen, JEFFz, Ozzyguy & PhilUK are making the best cars.

[Alfadog]

I agree with thefastestz !!!

I have not voted because I found it way too hard, because in my mind NO ONE is making any decent cars right now.

For those who voted BMW, I laugh at you. BMW is going down the sink, and taking it's ill-inspired over-priced under-powered cars with it.

Granted I think the M3 is the best new car in the world, but every other model is beaten easily by something else.

[Z Kid]

In terms of the ultimate new car, it would have to be the Farboud GTS for my liking, fast, great styling and a fun drivers car. However if I was goign for a mass produced car, it would have to be something japanese, and seeing as Nissans new cars are not seeming to be built too well, it would have to be a toyota. BMWs are nice (we have a 3 series one) underpowered yes, but it will still clip along happily at 140km/h with bursts up to 160, only being slightly unstable, still very quiet at these speeds, bar the sunroof and radar detector chirping happily. This combined with good resale value and very comfy interior and great fuel economy makes it not a bad little package. But still overpriced to begin with, to buy an audi you are now buying a VW platform and paying for the audi badge, and the resale is not good, in the end its the dealer trade in or nearly give it away.

Still the farboud if we are talking dream cars.

http://www.farboud.com/farboud.htm

Wouldn't mind a porsche GT3 either, but don't like the idea of the clutch being designed to self destruct if you stuff up a downchange, rather the engine over-rev for a fraction of a second than a few grand in clutch disintegrate.

There is the story about japanese components ordered by an american car company, they ordered x million units, with only .4ppm defective being the acceptable rate, when the order arrived in the US, they had packed the defective units seperately, and were left wondering why the yanks would want dodgy merchandise.

I shall step off my soapbox and be flamed, but thats my 2c

[Caen Fred]

I think that the best car I had was an Alfa 164 V6...

[jeffhop]

Man those fairbound cars are awesome! that GTS is probably about the best looking car I have ever seen! :love:

-Jeff :love:

[Alfadog]

Originally posted by Caen Fred

I think that the best car I had was an Alfa 164 V6...

Interesting, my parents had one until about 6 years ago. Awesome car, just a pity about the cost of repairs here in aus :dead:

[halz]

Putting aside the fact that both Honda and Mazda are in the game of producing 'whitegoods', both of these manufacturers get my vote. Why?

Honda. Started out making motorcycles so understood high performance and precision better and sooner than other Japanese manufacturers. They were the first (I'm pretty sure) to introduce variable valve timing (V-TEC) engines to the masses with their NS-X, a technology which is only more recently being adopted by other manufacturers

Mazda. Always an innovator. The only manufacturer to take rotary engine technology seriously and spend the time and $$ getting it into mainstream production. Also one of the first to bring production supercharging to mass produced cars with the Miller-cycle Eunos 800. After shaking off recent Ford-inspired design doldrums they are again producing interesting cars, eg RX-8.

Special mentions: Subaru (turbo AWD boxer engines), BMW ( generally performanced focused but should shoot the designer responsible for all of the Z3s and the latest 7 series).

Worst of the bunch: Toyota - proving that good Japanese design is usually accidental, their cars either look good and perform poorly or vice versa. Mercedes Benz - trying hard to make ordinary cars look like fat, heavy barges.

...sigh, I'll shut up now...

[Tourniqet]

BMW has my vote. They make great engines (straight six) and their boxer style engines in their bikes are very unique. As 2many said they give great performance, styling, luxury, comfort, everything i can think of. Also BMW is the only company I know of that constantly beats cars with more horsepower that have the same weight rating. No joke the bmw 3 series constantly beats the higher hp competitors that weight the same.

AND HAVE YOU SEEN THE FILMS!!!!!!! check out star on season 1

www.bmwfilms.com

[CB30]

I voted SAAB just because there 80's era cars were so damn ugly they were cool. Does any other manufacturer have the ignition under the e-brake?

[halz]

80's era cars were so damn ugly

what do you mean "were" ugly - they still are! SAABs are for masochists..people who appreciate good engineering but must have an ugly car!

[PrOxLaMuS©]

I say Ferrari or Rolls Royce

[Victor Laury]

Who are you people?!?! I thought I knew you folks, but now.... I'm not so sure.

I'd buy a new Maxima over ANY sedan on the market. BMW?! BMW!!!!?? can anyone say ....... G35 coupe? SUV? have you stood next to a FX45 yet. WOW

Hello?

inexpensive sports car would still go to mazda. If I wanted the modern day 510.. would that be the WRX or the Mazda 6? If only we got a 2 door Lancer....

If I wanted I medium high end Sports car I'd be hard pressed between the Z or the ZO6.

[Alfadog]

Yeah, forgot about Mazda.

My vote goes for Mazda if it were up there...

[Caen Fred]

Like always, the best for me isn't the best for ya !

How do you judge a car ? With a technological point of view I think Honda is giving the most tech for the buck and close BMW. Honda is always looking for new paths and BMW is refining known one beyond perfection.

BUT they are plain boring car to use !!!!

I had Civic and Accord, my In-law a 730D I have done a lot of Km in them and NOTHING, it's like taking a train... (except that they don't go on strike, and for a French it's priceless ROFL ).

But I want more, I want emotions and feelings and I must say that, with more work and sweat, my Alfa 33 was kicker than my brother's Golf and my Banana smile a lot bigger than his, and my 164 was a joy at every moment, it was music and not sound...

Today's car have too much GOOD things in them to make them fun, but they are better TOOLS to go from A to B.

And by the way, in a racing point of view, and if you think that rallying is the most challenging racing today... Peugeot or Citroën are the best ...

[jeffhop]

Originally posted by Victor Laury

I'd buy a new Maxima over ANY sedan on the market. BMW?! BMW!!!!?? can anyone say ....... G35 coupe? SUV? have you stood next to a FX45 yet. WOW

Maxima over a 540i??? Maxima over a M5 ???? MAXIMA OVER A M3!?!?!?!?

IMHO, the new maxima is nice but (sorry Nissan ) but if I had the money, then screw the maxima...I am gonna buy a BMW or other german vehicle. The M5 has got to be the finest sedan out there at the moment. And c'mon... SMG tranny??? That has to be the finnest transmission out there (can you say F1?) and it shifting gears for you in 2 hundreths of a seccond is just amazing. I do belive though, that the Designer of the 7series and the new Z4 should be shot as those are UGLY!!!. And no offence to you but I cant stand that FX45...when I first saw it I thought that AMC was making a comeback.

My dream garage would consist of a Fully restored 1970 240z with a L28 engine fully tuned out, a BMW M5, A R32 Nissan skyline GRT V-spec with full MINE'S spec engine, and a Range Rover.

My 0.2...

-Jeff

Ps: I KNOW I am gonna get flamed for this but it is simply my opinion that Nissans are great but a fine BMW would just be perfect for me!

Also, this is NOT a flame twards Victor...its simply my opinion. :classic:

[Ivan]

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