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    I'm not yelling at the guy holding the hose, but I AM making it clear that the fire chief screwed up big-time and doesn't deserve to continue in that position. He made errors in judgment that disqualify him. Big errors. Errors that get my attention. Errors big enough that unfortunately I simply cannot pull the big-R lever the next time I get the chance.

    And as for offering solutions, I'm doing what I can. I'm heeding the shelter-in-place order. I'm washing my hands. I'm minimizing my contact with other people. All of that stuff. That's what I can do personally as part of a solution.

    But in parallel with the current attempts at a solution, it's important that we don't forget why we are here in the first place. Self-inflicted. I thought he could do it, but it's clear that he can't. You can't teach judgment. The poor judgment is going to continue and it's just not worth that.

     

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    "Your home is on fire, yelling at the guy holding the hose wrong doesn’t help you put the fire out."

    That's a great example. Let me add some detail...

    The town next to yours catches fire. Ravaging out of control. Spreading out of control like.... well like wildfire. Analyzing the situation, fire experts tell the fire chief of YOUR town... "Hey boss. This thing in the next town over doesn't look good. This could easily spread to our town and we should start getting ready."

    Your fire chief's reaction is “we have it totally under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

    Shortly after that, the fire experts are tell your fire chief "Hey boss, bad news... We got a couple houses on fire in OUR town now. We're working on them, but it's so dry and windy that it's probably going to spread in OUR town just like it did in the other town. And if that happens, we're not going to have enough people or equipment. What should we do?"

    Your chief's reaction - "We have it very well under control. We have very little problem here at this moment — five. And those are all being put out successfully.”

    Shortly after that, the fire experts tell your chief "More bad news boss... Remember how we warned you that it's likely to spread? Well guess what... It's spreading fast. And as we warned you before, we are running out of supplies and people to fight it. What should we do?"

    Your chief's reaction - “We’re talking about a much smaller range. It’s very mild. I’m not concerned at all. It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

    Then the fire experts give the next update... "Hey boss, we've pretty much lost control. Houses are catching fire faster than we can handle. Most of them are just small fires and are going out by themselves, but many of the older houses are burning to the ground. Oh... And vacationers are pulling money out of our town because they're worried about the whole thing."

    Your chief's reaction - “Did you say that people are pulling money out of our town???? That's really bad!! Do something!!!"

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    In order to do anything about the suffering of the world, we must have the strength to face it without turning away.

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    16 hours ago, 240260280 said:

    These materials were STOLEN from Canada in March 2019 because China just wants to help the world and thought that stealing virus was a good way to do this. Time for people to stop drinking China's Kool Aid.  It is one F***ing evil country doing very bad $^!#!  Tell that to the genetically engineered HIV resistant babies. China Govt  are like the F***ing sick F**K NAZI doctors in the death camps during WWII!!!!

    July 2019   https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-ebola-drug-inventors-worked-with-chinese-firm-but-it-was-about-saving-lives-top-biologist-says

    Aug 2019   https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ebola-henipah-china-1.5232674

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

     

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/03/727957768/2-chinese-babies-with-edited-genes-may-face-higher-risk-of-premature-death

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair

     

    There are problems with many of these assertions.  First, the concerns in the first two articles above are intellectual property, not physical theft or misuse of genetic material. Second, in the case of the "lethal viruses" article, there is no claim that these materials were stolen. The issue is whether it was appropriate for those materials to be shared with China, based on their potential uses there.

    The Chinese genetic manipulation articles are two years old, well known, and is a matter of international concern. However, it also follows the general rule that things which can be done, sooner or later will be done. China's control over medical and genetic research is definitely weaker than that of the US, and that's an ongoing matter of concern in the scientific community.  However, there is nothing secret about the fact that this took place, and information about it has been quite available.

    Hyperbole, sensationalism and reaching a conclusion equating Chinese scientists with Nazi death camp doctors are all out of line, and frankly do no favors to the author or to the discussion on this website. Let's not get into blaming China for the world's misfortunes, which is exactly where rhetoric like that above takes us.

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    Go to China, work for a Chinese company for 5 years,  visit their offices in South America, North America, Europe, and Asia then tell me.... I did and saw this crap first hand. In Caracas they had competitions  to see who could get the most information on competitors... with prizes given.  We used to get emails that started "Dear Soldiers". Check out the arms for XXXX (xxx = minerals, oil, etc) that happens in Africa.

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    Of course China has been pilfering ideas from other countries for years. There has been unending press coverage of this related to everything from CDs and software up to science and manufacturing.  It's something their government either encourages or winks at. 

    We all know that.  Turning it into accusations that they've actively created a worldwide disease problem is too far a stretch. 

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    7 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

    Duplicate post, disregard...

     

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    Sophisticated Trumpism.  "Wuhan" virus instead of "Chinese" virus.  Like wearing silk white sheets instead of cotton.  He was first in his class at West Point, of course, so he can't just use the simple term.  

    From The Guardian.

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    Julian Borger 

    The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has been giving a briefing on the virtual G7 foreign ministers meeting that began by videoconference at 7am (ET). He said the main focus was the coronavirus, which Pompeo made a point of calling the “Wuhan virus”.

    According to a report in Der Spiegel, the G7 ministers have not so far been able to agree on a joint statement because of Pompeo’s insistence that it should refer to the disease as the “Wuhan virus”, a suggestion that was rejected by other members of the group of prosperous democracies.

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    Morgues in NYC getting full.  I'm not sure how the comparison to the common flu fits in here.  Maybe it's the time factor.  I've never heard of morgues filling because of the common flu.  Maybe they do, but it's normal.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/dhs-briefing-nyc-morgues-near-capacity-148259

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    20 hours ago, Zed Head said:

    They changed their minds.  It wasn't really that promising anyway and the PR look was terrible.  But the urge was till there for them.  Make that money, any way possible.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/03/25/gilead-sciences-coronavirus-drug/

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    I've realized something in the past few days. People who have very strong controlling personalities aren't doing too well during this and I'm laughing my arse off. LOL

     

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    Another White House virus briefing coming up soon.  I'm betting that Trump will call it the Wu Tang virus.  Diversify your bonds...

    People in the room now.  Any minute.

    It's on...

    The usual rambling.

    Nothing new.  The campaign speech will start soon.  Not worth watching anymore.

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    MSNBC and some NPR stations are no longer carrying Trump's "press conferences" because of the confusing and inaccurate statements that he makes.  They make it clear in their announcements that they do not want to confuse and misinform the public, and will cover the accurate and helpful information that is presented.

    https://deadline.com/2020/03/coronavirus-donald-trump-nor-station-kuow-1202892198/

    This is the first president in our history who is so out of touch with reality and unwilling to listen to his experts that his press conferences are not covered by some broadcast media. 

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    4 hours ago, siteunseen said:

    I've realized something in the past few days. People who have very strong controlling personalities aren't doing too well during this and I'm laughing my arse off.

    Yeah, looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

    I gotta stay away from this thread. I think I've made what points I can. The big T mismanaged this badly and lied to us about it. He's in over his head, I think any of the other choices are better suited for the position. Other people might actually listen to the people around them who know what they're talking about. Nothing is ever perfect, but I think any of the other choices are better than what we have right now. Even if I have to just leave that spot blank. Because I just cant.

    In the meantime, I should focus on helping those that I can. Here and elsewhere. It's healthier. 

    My kid told me today that he'd rather be poor and deal with a questionable economy than have me and/or his mom dead. Maybe he's in the minority, but that was nice to hear.

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    Oh yeah. One other thing. Fantastic timing. I got no less than FOUR emails today from the big T's today. For example:

    (State your name),

    We've got some big news to share.

    The President is putting together a team made up of only his MOST RELIABLE supporters, and he specifically asked that we reach out to YOU about joining as an Official Trump Team Leader.

    Trump Team Leaders will help President Trump WIN BIG in November and he really wants YOU on the team.

    You've always been one of the President's most loyal and trusted supporters since the very beginning so he's counting on YOU to step up.

    Are you up for the challenge, (State your name)?

    And then there are a whole bunch of buttons I can click to donate back to him. You know... send some of the stimulus money right back to him? Not this time...

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     Yeah but he specifically asked that they reach out to you! He's not going to like your rejection.

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     The first couple of verses of Pink Floyd's "On The Turning Away" have stuck with me through the years and mean more now than ever before. Whenever I feel overwhelmed by the sadness and suffering we deal with as volunteers, I listen to this.

     On the turning away from the pale and downtrodden and the words they say which we won't understand.

    Don't accept that's what happening is just a case of other's suffering or you'll find you're joining in the turning away.

    It's a sin that somehow light is changing to shadow and casting it's shroud over all we have known.

    Unaware how the ranks have grown, driven on by a heart of stone,

    we could find that we're all alone in the dream of the proud.

     

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    Just had to say something.  I thought we were about our Classiczcars, not a forum for 

    political biases!

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    5 hours ago, AZ-240z said:

    Just had to say something.  I thought we were about our Classiczcars, not a forum for 

    political biases!

    This thread is in the Open Chit-Chat forum.

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    Just had to say something.  I thought we were about our Classiczcars, not a forum for  political biases!  

     

      Difficult these days to speak about anything without referring to the people in charge / politicians. Especially when they perform below expectation of their position, they attract opinions. If Trump or Boris haven’t performed or lied or mislead, then that is just stating the facts I guess and part of the discussion.

     

    Much like the boobs thread, which I don’t look at, with forums it’s as much a case of if you don’t like the topic, save yourself from it by passing over and reading another thread.

     

    The thing I most like about this thread is hearing differing views from members in varying countries and learning more about who they are and what they think beyond “what do I do with this car problem”. I like the fact that some views challenge mine and make me see / think of it from another angle - how ever much I may disagree with them.

     

    I do find that email posted above particularly gobsmacking in the current climate; to try to turn the virus / world affecting issue to your political advantage. But it is symptomatic of how broken politics, elected officials and their parties are - not just in the US but everywhere else too.

     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, AK260 said:

    I do find that email posted above particularly gobsmacking in the current climate; to try to turn the virus / world affecting issue to your political advantage. But it is symptomatic of how broken politics, elected officials and their parties are - not just in the US but everywhere else too.

    Yeah, I found the timing to be particularly distasteful. And it's not over. I got another fundraiser email this morning. That makes FIVE fundraiser requests in just the past two days! it used to be maybe one a week. Now five in the past to days. Paraphrase the latest one? "Don't believe what you see on news stations other than F. I'm really doing a great job. Really. If it's not good news about me, then it must be fake. Send me money."

    To exploit the opportunity and a “let no crisis go wasted” mentality when we have citizens dying and families scared and hunkered down is totally unacceptable.

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    I  think: The only way forward (until a vaccine is made) is for all to wear masks in public and to test everyone weekly.... I wonder how long before:

    1. Leaders realize this.

    2. There are enough mask manufacturing facilities to supply the demand.

    3. There are enough test kits manufacturing facilities to supply the demand.

     

     

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    3 hours ago, grannyknot said:

    This thread is in the Open Chit-Chat forum.

    No where in our site guidelines (snippet attached) does it say that the Open Chit-Chat forum is exempt from the rules. I agree with @AZ-240z that we are treading a little to close to political bias with some posts, just my opinion.

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